Iran eyes badges for Jews

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Thanks for taking the time to write that post.
I always like learning new things.

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Micro was just saying what the Bible says. That the Jews are God's chosen people. that doesn't mean they're better than anyone else. Just chosen.

But as the God of Beer, I choose Guiness. Does that mean other beers are inferior?

Damn right it does. And they just better get the fuck over it.

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Thanks for taking the time to write that post.
I always like learning new things.

you're welcome... and me too... i just hope i don't come across as cocky... i think i tend to, and i don't mean to... if i do, feel free to knock me down a couple notches, k?

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I think it is all pretty silly. To think that there is some mysterious God out there that this group of people wrote about and claiming in their writing to be "The Chosen People" of this God. Seems awfully convienent for the Jews. If I wrote my own book claiming to be God I think it would just as valid as the Bible.

Pretty much every religion does this in some way. Jewish writings say they are the chosen people, Christian writings say the only way to salvation is through Christ (becoming a christian), Islamic writings say that infidels will not enter paradise....etc.

Richards

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[beowulf 1]

yeah
kinda silly isn't it.

Gods were created by men to explain what they didn't understand. Religion was created by men to use the concept of God to control other men and make lots of money.

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I think it is all pretty silly. To think that there is some mysterious God out there that this group of people wrote about and claiming in their writing to be "The Chosen People" of this God. Seems awfully convienent for the Jews. If I wrote my own book claiming to be God I think it would just as valid as the Bible.

well, you've said that already.

but to think it's awfully convenient for the jews? really? have you any idea of their history? read the old testament, this "book of fables" that you seem to rather blow your nose with... from the beginning others were jealous of their blessings. they've been killed, en masse, exiled by their OWN GOD on several occasions for being a wayward and disobedient people, they've been enslaved, and it seems in every age a new despot rises who is hell bent on destroying them. as I said before, this story is centuries old. scratch that. it's millenia old. yet every single time, EVERY time, the jews as a people, have survived. you may think it merely a coincidence. i think not.

but if it were me, if i were a jew, i'd be fighting pretty damn hard to drop the whole "chose people" title after my name. with blessings like those listed above, who needs curses?

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yeah
kinda silly isn't it.

Gods were created by men to explain what they didn't understand. Religion was created by men to use the concept of God to control other men and make lots of money.

and it has been my experience, far and away, that people who hold the views that you are expressing generally have issues w/ authority. but hey, we're both just speaking in sweeping, predjudicial generalizations, aren't we.

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Pretty much every religion does this in some way. Jewish writings say they are the chosen people, Christian writings say the only way to salvation is through Christ (becoming a christian), Islamic writings say that infidels will not enter paradise....etc.

Actually, if I've managed to understand the New Testament correctly, there's a whole lot of "jews as the chosen people" in that, as well. Therefore, it might not be correct to state that Christianity doesn't acknowledge the Jews.

However, I believe you also might be mixing up "chosen" with "saved." That indeed is a different aspect altogether.

(Micro, I'm missing you two times...how good it is to see you posting again...and yes, I knew that was the job when you and I first spoke of the interview. I am not surprised...and well done!)

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Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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sounds more like excuses for their own troubles. It's always nice to be able to find someone else to blame for your problems.

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sounds more like excuses for their own troubles. It's always nice to be able to find someone else to blame for your problems.

well, from your superficial responses, it's plainly obvious that you are not at all interested in a meaningful discussion. too bad. and, oh, the link the to the bonfire is located directly above SC.

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Pretty much every religion does this in some way. Jewish writings say they are the chosen people, Christian writings say the only way to salvation is through Christ (becoming a christian), Islamic writings say that infidels will not enter paradise....etc.

Actually, if I've managed to understand the New Testament correctly, there's a whole lot of "jews as the chosen people" in that, as well. Therefore, it might not be correct to state that Christianity doesn't acknowledge the Jews.

However, I believe you also might be mixing up "chosen" with "saved." That indeed is a different aspect altogether.

(Micro, I'm missing you two times...how good it is to see you posting again...and yes, I knew that was the job when you and I first spoke of the interview. I am not surprised...and well done!)

Ciels-
Michele

thanks babe! i do hope we can hook up sometime soon. it would be nice to catch up.

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[beowulf 1]

I am not sure which generalization you are putting me in, but according to that movie Adrenaline Rush most risk takers have issues with authority.

I don't think that I personally have any problems with authority figures. I am not sure what that could possibly have to do with the current topic.

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I am not sure which generalization you are putting me in, but according to that movie Adrenaline Rush most risk takers have issues with authority.

I don't think that I personally have any problems with authority figures. I am not sure what that could possibly have to do with the current topic.

sorry... If I have to explain, well...

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<> - I hear you.... let's hope that this story is (like so many others) so much crap..... time will tell.


<> - With or without guns, it's really difficult to oust a countries ruling party or even get them to change their ways.
Lots of people say that, even in the west, we can always vote out PM/Prezz out of office.. Truth is, that you usually have to wait 4 years to do it. Just look at our 2 countries at the moment... our leaders have popularity ratings lower than a snakes belly and yet they are still there. As the Americans say... Go Figure.

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even if I did have a problem with authority figures what would that have to do with this topic? I have met many religous people who had problems with authority figures. Your generalization goes both ways by generalizing that athiests generally have problems with authority figures you also generalize that religous people don't. I doubt that either is accurate or that there is any way to measure that. For me personally I have found that there are many people that call themselves Christians that more then happy to screw you over any chance they get and still maintain their holier then thou attitude.

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even if I did have a problem with authority figures what would that have to do with this topic? I have met many religous people who had problems with authority figures. Your generalization goes both ways by generalizing that athiests generally have problems with authority figures you also generalize that religous people don't. I doubt that either is accurate or that there is any way to measure that. For me personally I have found that there are many people that call themselves Christians that more then happy to screw you over any chance they get and still maintain their holier then thou attitude.

I was holding a mirror up for you to look in.

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[beowulf 1]

ok

I don't know. I don't understand the concept of God and gods or religion. Why would anyone subject themselves to such imaginary beings in the hopes of living forever with out any proof at all? It just doesn't make any sense.

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ok

I don't know. I don't understand the concept of God and gods or religion. Why would anyone subject themselves to such imaginary beings in the hopes of living forever with out any proof at all? It just doesn't make any sense.

ok, now we're getting somewhere... have you ever thought about opening your mind and heart open to the idea of it? that maybe there IS a benevolent god that exists? i know we've had this discussion in SC a thousand times, but there are many of us here and 100s of millions around the world who have personal "proof," personal existential, experiential knowledge of a creator. just don't be so quick to dismiss them all. they just may be on to something...

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[beowulf 1]

I have been preached to many times. It still doesn't make any sense at all. I call religion organized superstition.

Sorry but you are just going to have to pray for me. This personal proof you talk about is just wishful thinking. Kind of like rubbing a rabbits foot for luck.

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first of all, i'm not jewish and i'm not telling anyone i am, or jews are, better than anyone. what is truly a shame is that in today's cultural milieu is that if one makes a statement such as I have done (which is FAR from novel, believe me!), the immediate knee-jerk reaction is that I'm arrogant.

Arrogant? Hardly seems like the right word. Naively wrong?

There's no solice in Jews surviving past extermination attempts. And it is very possible to make the Jews extinct in the Middle East. Certainly I wouldn't advise them to sit back content with the knowledge that they are the choosen people. Even if true, it's clear that their god intended for them to fight for their right to exist with other people on this planet.

And if the UN does not take action against this proposal, well, maybe it's time we move it out of our country. And continue to underpay our dues.

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My belief.... we are all DNA... whether you are American, Iranian, Christian or Jew, Eskimo, Arapaho ... we're all made of the same stuff.... Now, If your God made it, then he made us all.. So how could one bunch of cells be any more special than another?

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I have been preached to many times. It still doesn't make any sense at all. I call religion organized superstition.

Sorry but you are just going to have to pray for me. This personal proof you talk about is just wishful thinking. Kind of like rubbing a rabbits foot for luck.

pray for you, i certainly will. as for wishful thinking on the part of billions of people, well, sorry but that's just spiritual enucleation on your part. seems to me like there might be something else going on here w/ you and this issue.

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Gods were created by men to explain what they didn't understand. Religion was created by men to use the concept of God to control other men and make lots of money.

You are absolutly correcto mundo....

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EVERY time, the jews as a people, have survived. you may think it merely a coincidence. i think not.

but if it were me, if i were a jew, i'd be fighting pretty damn hard to drop the whole "chose people" title after my name. with blessings like those listed above, who needs curses?

Every single race or ethnicity that exists today has been persecuted, suffered natural disasters, won and lost wars, been assimilated/assimilated others - and all are by definition in existence today.

World history goes a lot farther back than a few thousand years.

Dividing around ethnic lines is utterly ridiculous considering the natural dilusion that occurs. Dividing along religious lines is even more silly, since it's an act of faith to believe that is subject to change at the will of the religious.

Back to topic; Iran is taking more than a few steps backwards culturally and socially, and more than a few steps forward technology-wise.

I see a problem with this. Give a nuke to one of the old crazy Kings of old Europe. You know the ones that cut heads of people, tortured for fun, claimed to be Gods and generally suffered from lots of fun mental diseases created by a life of overindulgence, overpriviledge and inbreeding.

Now give this King an excuse to use it (such as "water is wet").

Fun.

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Really, thats Soooo last century.

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