Do we need a Hook Turn -- Bounce Book?

[PhreeZone 20]

I think what makes the largest impression is being the one that has to run to a body on the DZ after watching it knowing the injuries are serious. Then standing around doing first aid and trying to stabilize the person while waiting on the pros to show up doesn't help at all either. One of the most scaring events is either the loading of the person into the medivac knowing that by the time you get to the hospital its probally all going to be over or having to call their family and inform them of what happened.

There is something to be said for seeing it in person vs a video.

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I don't know what the answer is, but dismissing it all as "just another hook turn fatality" or "nothing to learn here" isn't the answer.

Especially addressing the folks who argue that "the guy will believe he is too good to get hurt, that he is better than the idiots who do"....

I think part of the problem is the way in which people approach others.

I have seen 90% of the "don't do that" speeches go south because of the approach. Wrong time, wrong place, wrong person giving the speech, wrong words, wrong tone of voice, wrong method (asking questions vs preaching vs sharing personal experiences vs hearing what the other person has to say vs laying out goals).

The 10% that went well, and the person receiving the information respected the concern - were delivered by people who understood how to communicate effectively with the specific person.

Think of it as management skills. We all know those 90% of managers who we have worked with who range from terrible to average. Maybe 10% of the managers out there inspire their employees to be better than they could be without the inspiration.

I would argue - if the person on the other end of the conversation is not hearing your concern, then you are the one at fault for not saying it in a way to command their attention (or perhaps deserve their respect).

For the record, I think I am in the 90% of the population often times when managing at work, so I have no claims to be the expert - yet.

If we want to have better communicators - perhaps the USPA in their instruction program should train their instructors to be better at "winning friends and influencing enemies".

[dharma1976 0]

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>can you tell more about the Wall of Pain ??

Consists mainly of pictures of people about to hit, hitting, and in ambulances. I haven't been there in a while, so I'll defer to a Ranch jumper who has seen it more recently.

I love the picture of the ranch with a broken leg who from what I hear from my friends there, he basically refused to be moved by the paramedics until someone went and got a camera and took a picture, the break was pretty nasty but the smile in the picture was amazing...

Dave

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CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[stayhigh 2]

I think visual is more intense than the sound. When you hit the ground you can't really hear, but seeing the ground come up,,,I have total respect for the gravity and hard ground... it hurts more than you think,,, people unless you have total control and enough alti do not hook....I learned that even 190 will break your shit..and might kill you.......but i know that even after reading this person will not change their habit, to some people pain and agony is the only teacher.

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[UDSkyJunkie 0]

As grusome as it is, I could see the value. It's true that many people would still not believe it could happen to them, but perhaps some would at least think twice. I had the "advantage" as a student of already knowing at least a dozen people who were killed jumping, and it has certainly affected my decisions. A "bounce book" wouldn't have been as strong a message as I had, but it wouldn't have hurt, either.

Having a "before" and "after" photo, along with names, dates, and places, experience level, ect... and specifically LOCAL places and RECENT dates would probably help it be more effective. A lot harder for the rest of us to be willing to go along with, too.

"Some people follow their dreams, others hunt them down and beat them mercilessly into submission."

[dharma1976 0]

yeah although I winced just as much hearing someone hit the ground at the same time as their parachute as when I saw it...the worst part of it was that I almost got on the plane and I looked up and saw the front hitting us and said fuck it I am staying on the ground...

D

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CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[xwind 0]

People don’t learn from shock value.

You only have to ask yourself, when last did I drink and drive? After all the shock value adds on tv?

Hook turns will stay and so will the injuries.

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[ZigZagMarquis 9]

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People don’t learn from shock value.

No, I think you're wrong. Some people don't learn from shock value... some people do.

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You only have to ask yourself, when last did I drink and drive?

A little while ago. Got pulled over, long story, but came really really really close to going to jail... I'll still drink, for example, if at home or if there's a designated driver or at someplace where I'm staying & not driving that evening (hotel, friend's house)... but if I'm getting behind the wheel of a car soon, its zero alcohol intake for me now... no more of this "I can have a few, I can handle it BS"... scared straight worked for me.

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Hook turns will stay and so will the injuries.

Unfortunately, I think you're correct to an extent, but a "nothing can be done about it" attitude certainly won't help either.

Believe me or not... I have see The Bounce Book shown to some habitual low pullers or Jumpmasters developing the bad habbit of chasing out of control students way below 2K stop them from doing it and/or make habbit changes to not get there.

It may not save everyone, but if it saves some, that's a good thing. JMO.

[billvon 3,006]

>People don’t learn from shock value.

From this very forum:

"after seeing Marianne Kramer go in i am happy to go to a bigger reserve. it's unfortunate that our sport had to learn the hard way about what can happen under a highly loaded, uncontrollable, reserve, by losing Marianne. but i learned a lot from her and what happend."

Serious accidents _can_ have a lot of value as teaching tools - value that's greater than telling someone "hey, don't get a small reserve, it's dangerous."