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billvon 3,006
Then the war has failed. Terrorism is up worldwide since we invaded Iraq, and we are less safe than ever.
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Ewen MacAskill in Washington
Saturday April 29, 2006
The Guardian
The US state department acknowledged yesterday that there is a risk of Iraq becoming a safe haven for terrorists three years after the invasion of the country.
The warning is contained in the state department's annual country reports on terrorism. The report, which suggests an increase in terrorist attacks worldwide, appears to undermine repeated claims by President George Bush that the US is winning the "war on terrorism".
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Musharraf: Iraq war has made world 'less safe'
But says pulling troops too early would be a mistake
Monday, December 6, 2004 Posted: 3:09 AM EST (0809 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was a mistake that has made the world a more dangerous place, but a swift withdrawal would make matters worse, Pakistan's president said this weekend.
rushmc 23
The above is from your post. The reasons for going into Iraq public (and it was more than the WMD argument) Now you post the above and I have to bring the data?
Dam near all the Senators and Reps and Presidential wanna bes said SH was a danger to US security. (and lond before anybody ever knew who Bush was) GWB finally had the gonads to do something about what EVERYBODY believed and many still believe and now he is an evil idiot that mislead the Amerial people?

if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
BULL SHIT!
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
>Then the war has failed. Terrorism is up worldwide since we invaded Iraq, and we are less safe than ever.
BULL SHIT!

billvon 3,006
Well, there ya go. As long as you feel safer, I guess that's what matters. It's no fun to be scared.
rushmc 23
And many many more that have been stopped that we will never hear about.
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
And many many more that have been stopped that we will never hear about.
if we never hear about them, how do you know?
>We have spent $286,429,796,292 on the Iraq war witch I can easily say most people think was wrong to start.
More generalizations you can not back up. Talk about waiting for the laughter to subside.........
The dollar thing certainly wasn't a generalization...accurate or not it was a quite specific. As for the latter part, note that he said "most people", not "most US citizens". Given that, I'd probably agree with him. The international community was not and is not substantially supportive of our invasion of Iraq.
Blues,
Dave
(drink Mountain Dew)
rushmc 23
I do not care what the international communtiy or the UN think about any of this. This is about our security as well as our allies.
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
>The international community was not and is not substantially supportive of our invasion of Iraq.
I do not care what the international communtiy or the UN think about any of this. This is about our security as well as our allies.
That's cool. However, it doesn't make what Darius posted any less accurate.
Blues,
Dave
(drink Mountain Dew)
kallend 2,027
Been reading NewsMax again, haven't you?
Try the National Enquirer, it's more credible

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
wmw999 2,457
You'd be surprised at just how motivated really pissed-off people can be, and if you're the one who pissed them off, well, guess who they'll be motivated against.
Even in a house, eventually you have to go buy groceries. In a country, it's way more open. We cannot secure ourselves from terrorists by first generating a lot more, then building walls and searching ferry boats.
Saddam Hussein was a bad man. So is Mugabe, and the head of N. Korea, and a whole bunch of other people. We can't take them all on and survive. We'll be stupid if we try to. And the more we distance ourselves from other countries and other cultures, the more likely we make it for them to see us an someone unlike them, and therefore a subject of contempt, fear, or hate.
Is that really the goal? You can be secure by moving to somewhere really remote and not going out. There is risk associated with any lifestyle, and managing that risk should involve reducing it as early as possible, rather than putting a barrier up to it.
Wendy W.
The dollar thing certainly wasn't a generalization...accurate or not it was a quite specific.
It's running on autopilot - X $ per second, so it can't be accurate. Precise, yes.
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Darius - the problem I see is that no one is really paying this price. It's deficit spending anyhow, so it shouldn't have been replaced with other spending. It shouldn't have been spent at all. (or we should have left Iraq in shambles as soon as we got Hussein - would have saved a bundle)
Since reinvading Iraq was at least 50% about oil, I'd say that we could get nice traction by taking last year's war cost, divide in half and then into the number of gallons we used, and apply that war surcharge this year. Then the people can make inforned decisions about which wars are a good investment in our well being and which ones are not.
Terrorism is up worldwide since we invaded Iraq, and we are less safe than ever.
What evidence do you have that terrorism would be down if we hadn't invaded Iraq? What proof do you have that there weren't 2nd, 3rd, 4th, attacks planned after 9/11? Please provide proof that 100,000 Americans wouldn't have been dead right now instead of 2400 soldiers.
Terrorism is up worldwide since we invaded Iraq, and we are less safe than ever.
What evidence do you have that terrorism would be down if we hadn't invaded Iraq? What proof do you have that there weren't 2nd, 3rd, 4th, attacks planned after 9/11? Please provide proof that 100,000 Americans wouldn't have been dead right now instead of 2400 soldiers.
and were is your information saying that they would be !
billvon 3,006
Riiiight. I bet the old Star Wars program stopped a few alien invasions, too. And those liberal fools have the nerve to criticize it! We'd all be speaking Martian if not for that program.
billvon 3,006
>invaded Iraq?
The State Department recently released a report detailing how Iraq was becoming a breeding ground for terrorists due to the secterian violence. Saddam Hussein was a ruthless dictator who supressed such violence. Now that we are there and the country is tearing itself apart, we have created conditions ideal for the creation of new terrorists.
>Please provide proof that 100,000 Americans wouldn't have been
>dead right now instead of 2400 soldiers.
Easy:
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CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq
Recommends freeing detainees held for weapons knowledge
Updated: 6:24 p.m. PT April 25, 2005
WASHINGTON - In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.
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How do I oversimplify? Can you describe it? Or will it remain an assertion, unassailable because it has no substance?
Wendy W.
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