flyingloom 0 #26 June 9, 2006 To bad he he wasn't taken alive. Many would had turned a blind eye to him being tortured for info. They could had forced him to watch a Queen Latifah movie marathon. Or maybe a few hours of The View. Ohhh, the pain, the pain. He would had told them anything. http://www.flyingloomembroidery.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #27 June 9, 2006 QuoteNo, not all of them. The UK is our bitch. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #28 June 9, 2006 Ow you've got a fiesty streak (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dancergirl 0 #29 June 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteNo, not all of them. Tony Blair is our bitch. thought i'd correct that for you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #30 June 10, 2006 Then you're welcome to slap the bitch up ... good and proper...... please. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #31 June 10, 2006 QuoteSurprized there was enough of him left to take a picture of. Wonder if he heard it coming. I can promise you he heard it coming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #32 June 10, 2006 Quoteyea, a woman and a small child died in the house as well, women and small children seem to be being killed alot in Iraq by US forces at the moment. Funny you should mention that... there seems to be some ambiguity about the whole thing at this point...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #33 June 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteSurprized there was enough of him left to take a picture of. Wonder if he heard it coming. I can promise you he heard it coming. Hey Chuck, Here's a picture of what's left of Zowie's "Not-So-Safe-House".... mh"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #34 June 10, 2006 Quote I can promise you he heard it coming. I'm curious, how so? What would he have heard? My understanding was the jets were high enough not to be heard. What sound does a bomb make?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #35 June 10, 2006 QuoteQuote I can promise you he heard it coming. I'm curious, how so? What would he have heard? My understanding was the jets were high enough not to be heard. What sound does a bomb make? Clack clack...clack clack ....as the fins adjust it onto it's target. This is assuming the normal environmental noises in that area aren't high enough to disguise its arrival. by the way is the JDAM kit cheaper if it is noisy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dancergirl 0 #36 June 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteSurprized there was enough of him left to take a picture of. Wonder if he heard it coming. I can promise you he heard it coming. is that why he got far enough away for the bombs to not kill him outright ? ask an american to do a job and they need two goes at it, and then have to wait for him to die !!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #37 June 11, 2006 Quoteis that why he got far enough away for the bombs to not kill him outright? Many quarters in war torn countries have foxholes and tunnels beneath them for storage and E&E when things heat up; it's part and parcel to the standard of living. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was a hands-on murderer who got what he deserved, a slow painful death. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #38 June 11, 2006 A 500 pounder would be howling/whistling like a motherfucker too. I have been "danger close" to plenty of ordnance. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
busaunit 0 #39 June 11, 2006 yea the us goverment must be happy about all that bomb development, they can make a bomb that levels a house or building but keeps the human bodys in good enough condition so they can take a photo of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #40 June 11, 2006 Quoteyea the us goverment must be happy about all that bomb development, they can make a bomb that levels a house or building but keeps the human bodys in good enough condition so they can take a photo of them. Sound like money well spent to me. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #41 June 11, 2006 It appears the US has now changed its story about the Zarqawi raid, and that he initially survived the bombing. One wonders why, if the house was effectively surrounded by US forces, and they had a Predator flying overhead keeping surveillance, why deliberately try to (and succeed) kill him rather than capture him alive? Questions have arisen over how Zarqawi died since the Americans revealed he had still been alive following the bombing of a safe house by US planes. Zarqawi was still alive when Iraqi police got to the scene of the air strikes but he died shortly afterwards from his wounds, Gen Caldwell said earlier. US planes dropped two 500lb (230kg) bombs on his safe house near the city of Baquba on Wednesday. After US troops arrived, Zarqawi tried to move off the stretcher where he had been placed, Gen Caldwell said. "Everybody re-secured him back onto the stretcher, but he died almost immediately thereafter from the wounds he had received from this air strike," he added. US military officials had earlier said Zarqawi did not survive the strike, which they said came after tip-offs from his organisation. - BBC... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #42 June 11, 2006 Quote One wonders why, if the house was effectively surrounded by US forces, and they had a Predator flying overhead keeping surveillance, why deliberately try to (and succeed) kill him rather than capture him alive? Why risk losing good men for a scumbag? Apparently, the laptops were still serviceable...We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #43 June 11, 2006 Quote Sound like money well spent to me. AgreedWe are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #44 June 11, 2006 Quote Clack clack...clack clack .... Thanks for the info!We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #45 June 11, 2006 Quote A 500 pounder would be howling/whistling like a motherfucker too. Thanks for the info!We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dolph 0 #46 June 11, 2006 I am not sure whether this is mportant, unless you're suggesting that the US broke the Geneva convention by executing an enemy that had surrendered? I'd think that capturing him alive would give some breakthroughs on insurgent positions, so there's some incentive to doing so. Of course that'd mean a long trial and lots of publicity etc. So the best deal would be to bomb the crap out of the house, go in, find him, take a picture of himb being "dead", and then whisk him away for some serious interrogation. But that'd be a conspiracy theory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #47 June 11, 2006 I hope the one SUPPOSED iraqis claim isn't or doesn't turn out to be true. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER THAN THAT> The Iraqi, identified only as Mohammed, said he lives near the house where al-Zarqawi was killed. He said residents put a bearded man in an ambulance before U.S. forces arrived. "When the Americans arrived they took him out of the ambulance, they beat him on his stomach and wrapped his head with his dishdasha, then they stomped on his stomach and his chest until he died and blood came out of his nose," Mohammed said, without saying how he knew the man was dead. A dishdasha is a traditional Arab robe. A similar account in The Washington Post identified the man as Ahmed Mohammed. Updated:2006-06-11 10:48:34 U.S. Military Specialists Finish al-Zarqawi Autopsy By PATRICK QUINN AP BAGHDAD, Iraq (June 11) - Two U.S. military forensic specialists finished an autopsy Sunday on the remains of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, part of the investigation to reconstruct the last minutes of his life before an American warplane bombed his hideout, the U.S. Command said. The examination comes after U.S. authorities altered their account of how the most-wanted terrorist in Iraq died, first saying he died outright in the airstrike but then saying he survived and died soon after. "The autopsy is completed. However, we are not releasing results yet," Maj. William Willhoite said. Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, told "Fox News Sunday" he had not seen the autopsy results. Meanwhile, Iran denied it helped American forces track al-Zarqawi down and kill him. The Islamic republic welcomed his death, though, because it has close ties to the Shiite parties now dominating Iraq's government, which al-Zarqawi sought to topple. "It is natural that we, like the Iraqi people, are happy from this occurrence," Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said. "This doesn't mean that we cooperated with the U.S. in getting him. We had no exchange of intelligence with the U.S. at all (on this)." Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, a spokesman for the U.S. military in Baghdad, said Saturday the decision to fly in forensic experts was made shortly after al-Zarqawi's death. The airstrike also killed five others, including al-Zarqawi's spiritual adviser, Sheik Abdul-Rahman. "I think if we don't do a full autopsy then that might irresponsible on our part," Caldwell said. "I think we sort of owe that just for this reason: How did he actually die?" He said the U.S. government thought it was important enough "that we grabbed two people in the last 48 hours and told them pack up and move to Iraq." An Iraqi man raised questions about al-Zarqawi's death, telling AP Television News that he saw U.S. soldiers after the airstrike beating an injured man resembling the dead terrorist until blood flowed from his nose. Casey said the claim was "baloney." "He died while American soldiers were attempting to save his life," Casey told "Fox News Sunday." "So the idea that there were people beating him is ludicrous." The Iraqi, identified only as Mohammed, said he lives near the house where al-Zarqawi was killed. He said residents put a bearded man in an ambulance before U.S. forces arrived. "When the Americans arrived they took him out of the ambulance, they beat him on his stomach and wrapped his head with his dishdasha, then they stomped on his stomach and his chest until he died and blood came out of his nose," Mohammed said, without saying how he knew the man was dead. A dishdasha is a traditional Arab robe. A similar account in The Washington Post identified the man as Ahmed Mohammed. No other witnesses have come forward to corroborate the account. U.S. officials have only said al-Zarqawi mumbled and tried to roll off a stretcher before dying. In announcing al-Zarqawi's death, the U.S. military said Thursday he was killed outright when two 500-pound bombs were dropped on his hideout. On Friday, the military said al-Zarqawi survived the bombing, which ripped a crater in the date-palm forest surrounding the house just outside Baqouba, 35 miles northeast of Baghdad. "It's not going to be 100 percent accurate all the time, but the first reports are going to be a little confused. There are going to be some conflicting stories," Caldwell said, adding that the military should have an accurate chronology ready by Monday. He said Iraqi police reached the scene first and found the 39-year-old al-Zarqawi alive. "The coalition forces arrived on the scene. The Iraqi police were there. They in fact saw a person on a stretcher. They moved to that person immediately. A medical person started immediately applying first aid to that person. Another person was trying to talk to that person, to try to identify who this was. They were trying to talk to him and ask him who he was," Caldwell said. The airstrike killed two other men, two women and girl between the ages of 5 and 7 who were in the house. AP footage of the scene showed a wide swath of destruction. Debris - shoes, sandals, a woman's slip - was scattered over concrete blocks and twisted metal. Trees were ripped from their roots. Charred dresses, torn blankets, thin sponge mattresses and pillows were in the crater blasted by the bombs. A cooling unit and part of a washing machine also were in the area. Lt. Col. Thomas Fisher of the 1st Battalion, 68th Armored Cavalry said his men showed up at the site about five minutes after the blast and cordoned it off. He said a patrol was in the area already. "We didn't know it was Zarqawi, we just knew it was a time-sensitive target," he said at the scene early Saturday. "We suspected who it was." Associated Press reporter Ryan Lenz contributed to this report.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #48 June 12, 2006 Quoteyea, a woman and a small child died in the house as well, women and small children seem to be being killed alot in Iraq by US forces at the moment. Civilians were killed by the millions in WW2. I don't here anyone bitching about that. Maybe it's because GWB wsn't involved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #49 June 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteyea, a woman and a small child died in the house as well, women and small children seem to be being killed alot in Iraq by US forces at the moment. Civilians were killed by the millions in WW2. I don't here anyone bitching about that. Maybe it's because GWB wsn't involved. Then again, maybe there's nothing we can do about WWII without a time machine, and maybe one of the lessons of the 20th Century is we've learned better than to butcher civilians to further our political ends.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #50 June 12, 2006 Then again, maybe there's nothing we can do about WWII without a time machine, and maybe one of the lessons of the 20th Century is we've learned better than to butcher civilians to further our political ends. You're right, Kallend. However, how many civilians were saved by the death of him and three civilians? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites