bigdad510 1 #1 November 26, 2006 Friday I went out for 2 jumps before work. One the first jump, I follow a tandem out and everything is good until throw out. I pitched my PC like normal, and instead of going upright within a second, about 3 seconds pass and nothing. I reached for my cutaway as I felt something hit my leg, I'm assuming it was my PC. Another second or two goes by and I start to pull my cutaway handle and my main opens. I looked up and everything was fine with the canopy. However, I had a situation and I'm curious how you all would react. As I look down at my cutaway (under a fully functional canopy), it is completely out of its velcro with about 3 or 4 inches of yellow cable showing. I had to make a decision. I was just above 2200ft. Do I cut it away, because the cables might almost be out, or do I push it back in and hope that works? What I did is made sure my airspace was clear around me. Then I pushed the cable back into place and put the pillow back in as much as I could. I looked at my three rinds and followed the route my cables made to make sure they weren't about to come out, and weren't even close to coming out, and landed safely. The whole thing had my heart pumping, since this was my first "malfunction" . I was glad to get to the ground to start breathing again. I got right back on the horse after a good gear check and made another jump.What would you have done in this situation? (Specifically with the cutaway/cables pulled)Brad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #2 November 26, 2006 I am no expert - but I think I would have done the same thing as you (if I had a half pulled cutaway handle) - although with a Collins lanyard on my skyhook equipped RSL - I don't think I could have pushed the yellow cables back in because the one that passes thru the top of the reserve tray/container is not in a continuous tube... It always needs to be hand pulled thru the collins lanyard, so I probably would have looked at the three rings and if the yellow cable was out of the hard housings I would have pulled on the ends to pull the handle back to place... If I was not 100% sure they would hold, I would have owed my rigger some $$$ for a repack. So I would have inspected the yellow cables to make sure they were thru the loops with enough to spare... However, I doubt that I would have been put in this predicament, because I probably would have pulled that nice yellow cutaway handle so hard people on the other side of the world would have wondered who was making that screaming sound. I don't think it would have been half out, unless the opening shock stopped me... I have only once had my PC dance around my back, and it was on a wingsuit jump, and I "tracked" or "flew" out of it, and once it found the air, it was a hard and fast opening.I wonder, how is your "normal" pitch... I actually found mine became lazy, real lazy of late, so I fixed it soon as I realized it was so lazy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigdad510 1 #3 November 26, 2006 To answer your questions, as I was pulling the cutaway the opening shock of my main stopped me. Funny, because I would think the opening shock would have assisted me in pulling it. My throw out may have been a little lazy. I was jumping a wing jacket (have about 10 jumps on it). When I think about it, it wasn't a normal pull, to half-ass on that jump. It woke me up though. So you can imagine the clearance I got the PC from my body on the next jump A lazy throw out shouldn’t be happening again from me anytime soon!Brad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billbooth 10 #4 November 26, 2006 If you ever find yourself under canopy with a partially pulled cutaway handle, just look at the back of each riser. It will be obvious how much cutaway cable is still through the white loop. If there is enough to grab, simply pull each cable all the way back up through the loop, and then re-velcro the handle. If there is not enough to grab, you probably should cutaway...altitude permitting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #5 November 26, 2006 >I looked at my three rinds and followed the route my cables made to >make sure they weren't about to come out, and weren't even close to >coming out, and landed safely. That's the key. If you see that the cables have plenty of "tail" above the loop, no problem. If they are sorta short, try to push them back through. If the cable is so short that you cannot pull/push them back through, and the tip is starting to get "sucked" towards the white loop, then it is probably a good idea to cut away anyway, so that you don't get a suprise release at 100 feet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigdad510 1 #6 November 27, 2006 Thanks all for your post. I fell better knowing others would have made the same call I did. You guys hav a lot more jumps thatn I do. Blue Skies!Brad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tdog 0 #7 November 27, 2006 QuoteThanks all for your post. I fell better knowing others would have made the same call I did. You guys hav a lot more jumps thatn I do. Blue Skies! Well, considering you got the inventor of the "Booth Three Ring System" in which you had questions about to reply with an answer within a day, I would say you did good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DougH 270 #8 November 27, 2006 Try to get a member of the Ford family to post up on the mustang forum next time you have trouble changing an oil filter. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites azureriders 0 #9 November 28, 2006 Brad, Glad to read your story, I heard you mention it that day but never got the chance to get the details. As for the 3 ring release, I think you responded properly, but I guess I should have warned you about the wings. My first and only pc in burble was just after getting my camera suit. Your wings may not be as big as mine but they still increases the size of your burble considerably. I cleared my by collapsing the wings and looking over my shoulder, but the opening was nothing nice there after. See you next time out, Joe By the way, nice picture of Jr. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fcajump 164 #10 November 28, 2006 QuoteIf you ever find yourself under canopy with a partially pulled cutaway handle, just look at the back of each riser. It will be obvious how much cutaway cable is still through the white loop. If there is enough to grab, simply pull each cable all the way back up through the loop, and then re-velcro the handle. If there is not enough to grab, you probably should cutaway...altitude permitting. Its the only disadvantage to having hard riser inserts... without them its easy to know exactly how much is above the white loop. JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigdad510 1 #11 November 28, 2006 Fill me in, whats the alternative? Got a pic of the others?Brad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fcajump 164 #12 November 28, 2006 QuoteFill me in, whats the alternative? Got a pic of the others? Alternative is simply the soft pocket (without the hard inserts) up the back of the risers. If you've only ever seen hard inserts, ask a jumper with a slightly older rig. (This is not the mid-90's fad of having soft housings for the entire cable length... very bad idea that.) The hard inserts for the cable ends is to ease cut-away forces in the case of a bad riser twise. Good idea to resolve the problem, but makes it hard to see how much cable is above the loops. 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bigdad510 1 #3 November 26, 2006 To answer your questions, as I was pulling the cutaway the opening shock of my main stopped me. Funny, because I would think the opening shock would have assisted me in pulling it. My throw out may have been a little lazy. I was jumping a wing jacket (have about 10 jumps on it). When I think about it, it wasn't a normal pull, to half-ass on that jump. It woke me up though. So you can imagine the clearance I got the PC from my body on the next jump A lazy throw out shouldn’t be happening again from me anytime soon!Brad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbooth 10 #4 November 26, 2006 If you ever find yourself under canopy with a partially pulled cutaway handle, just look at the back of each riser. It will be obvious how much cutaway cable is still through the white loop. If there is enough to grab, simply pull each cable all the way back up through the loop, and then re-velcro the handle. If there is not enough to grab, you probably should cutaway...altitude permitting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #5 November 26, 2006 >I looked at my three rinds and followed the route my cables made to >make sure they weren't about to come out, and weren't even close to >coming out, and landed safely. That's the key. If you see that the cables have plenty of "tail" above the loop, no problem. If they are sorta short, try to push them back through. If the cable is so short that you cannot pull/push them back through, and the tip is starting to get "sucked" towards the white loop, then it is probably a good idea to cut away anyway, so that you don't get a suprise release at 100 feet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigdad510 1 #6 November 27, 2006 Thanks all for your post. I fell better knowing others would have made the same call I did. You guys hav a lot more jumps thatn I do. Blue Skies!Brad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #7 November 27, 2006 QuoteThanks all for your post. I fell better knowing others would have made the same call I did. You guys hav a lot more jumps thatn I do. Blue Skies! Well, considering you got the inventor of the "Booth Three Ring System" in which you had questions about to reply with an answer within a day, I would say you did good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DougH 270 #8 November 27, 2006 Try to get a member of the Ford family to post up on the mustang forum next time you have trouble changing an oil filter. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites azureriders 0 #9 November 28, 2006 Brad, Glad to read your story, I heard you mention it that day but never got the chance to get the details. As for the 3 ring release, I think you responded properly, but I guess I should have warned you about the wings. My first and only pc in burble was just after getting my camera suit. Your wings may not be as big as mine but they still increases the size of your burble considerably. I cleared my by collapsing the wings and looking over my shoulder, but the opening was nothing nice there after. See you next time out, Joe By the way, nice picture of Jr. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fcajump 164 #10 November 28, 2006 QuoteIf you ever find yourself under canopy with a partially pulled cutaway handle, just look at the back of each riser. It will be obvious how much cutaway cable is still through the white loop. If there is enough to grab, simply pull each cable all the way back up through the loop, and then re-velcro the handle. If there is not enough to grab, you probably should cutaway...altitude permitting. Its the only disadvantage to having hard riser inserts... without them its easy to know exactly how much is above the white loop. JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigdad510 1 #11 November 28, 2006 Fill me in, whats the alternative? Got a pic of the others?Brad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fcajump 164 #12 November 28, 2006 QuoteFill me in, whats the alternative? Got a pic of the others? Alternative is simply the soft pocket (without the hard inserts) up the back of the risers. If you've only ever seen hard inserts, ask a jumper with a slightly older rig. (This is not the mid-90's fad of having soft housings for the entire cable length... very bad idea that.) The hard inserts for the cable ends is to ease cut-away forces in the case of a bad riser twise. Good idea to resolve the problem, but makes it hard to see how much cable is above the loops. JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
DougH 270 #8 November 27, 2006 Try to get a member of the Ford family to post up on the mustang forum next time you have trouble changing an oil filter. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azureriders 0 #9 November 28, 2006 Brad, Glad to read your story, I heard you mention it that day but never got the chance to get the details. As for the 3 ring release, I think you responded properly, but I guess I should have warned you about the wings. My first and only pc in burble was just after getting my camera suit. Your wings may not be as big as mine but they still increases the size of your burble considerably. I cleared my by collapsing the wings and looking over my shoulder, but the opening was nothing nice there after. See you next time out, Joe By the way, nice picture of Jr. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #10 November 28, 2006 QuoteIf you ever find yourself under canopy with a partially pulled cutaway handle, just look at the back of each riser. It will be obvious how much cutaway cable is still through the white loop. If there is enough to grab, simply pull each cable all the way back up through the loop, and then re-velcro the handle. If there is not enough to grab, you probably should cutaway...altitude permitting. Its the only disadvantage to having hard riser inserts... without them its easy to know exactly how much is above the white loop. JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigdad510 1 #11 November 28, 2006 Fill me in, whats the alternative? Got a pic of the others?Brad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #12 November 28, 2006 QuoteFill me in, whats the alternative? Got a pic of the others? Alternative is simply the soft pocket (without the hard inserts) up the back of the risers. If you've only ever seen hard inserts, ask a jumper with a slightly older rig. (This is not the mid-90's fad of having soft housings for the entire cable length... very bad idea that.) The hard inserts for the cable ends is to ease cut-away forces in the case of a bad riser twise. Good idea to resolve the problem, but makes it hard to see how much cable is above the loops. JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
