A traitor is about to be honored

[ccsayre 0]

I received this via email this morning. It important we not forget what this "american" did to our brothers. I am not an activist, this just pisses me off!

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA

This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do
not remember, and didn't have to bear the
burden that our fathers, mothers and older
brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
"100 Women of the Century."
BY BARBRA WALTERS

Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
countless others have never known how Ms.
Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,
but specific men who served and sacrificed
during Vietnam.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot
The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.

In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
the "Hanoi Hilton."
Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was
ordered to describe for a visiting American
"Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane
treatment" he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was
dragged away.
During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
on to the camp Commandant's feet, which
sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
double vision (which permanently ended his
flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied
application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
"Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his
family only knew he was "missing in action".
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
clothed routine in preparation for a
"peace delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to
get word to the world that they were alive
and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny
piece of paper, with his Social Secur ity Number
on it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
man's hand and asking little encouraging
snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
treatment from your benevolent captors?"
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat. At the
end of the line and once the camera stopped
rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
she turned to the officer in charge and handed
him all the little pieces of paper.

Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
but he survived, which is the only reason we
know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor
in Vietnam, and was captured by the North
Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year
in a "black box" in Hanoi.
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, So uth
Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the
Cambodian border.
At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.
(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by
the camp communist political officer if I would
be willing to meet with her.

I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
treatment we POWs received... and how
different it was from the treatment purported by
the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
"humane and lenient."

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
with a large steel weights placed on my hands,
and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
soon after I was released. I asked her
if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
someone who should be honored as part
of "100 Years of Great Women."
Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"
should never include a traitor whose hands are
covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral
reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
blatant treason, is one of them.
Please take the time to forward to as many
people as you possibly can.
It will eventually end up on her computer and
she needs to know that we will never forget.
RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of
Maintenance
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-6343


PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO
EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF
ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER
STATUS WILL CHANGE

[Skyrad 0]

Sounds like a crock of shit. If there was any truth in this then I'm sure she would be rotting in an American prison somewhere.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[narcimund 0]

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I received this via email this morning...

Can there be any surer signal of impending bullshit?

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[SpeedRacer 1]

Complete Bullshit. Debunked years ago.

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[tigra 0]

Actually, there's a lot of truth to it. This specific email? I can't say. But most people consider her anti war "efforts" in the 60s and early 70s to be pretty much unforgiveable. The apology she made decades later doesn't even begin to cover it.

[tigra 0]

Its only partial bullshit. The best lies are based in truth and her history is well documented. Protesting the war is one thing. Calling soldiers hypocrites, liars and baby killers is something else entirely. Not to mention allowing yourself to be used as a propaganda tool against your own country. But I guess that was a different time.

[Bdog 0]

And who can remember her behind the sight of an NVA anti-aircraft gun?

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---Future Darwin Award recipient-

[warpedskydiver 0]

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And who can remember her behind the sight of an NVA anti-aircraft gun?

you mean the one credited with recently downing a US Aircraft?(at that time)

[Channman 2]

> Can there be any surer signal of impending bullshit?

Still does'nt change the fact that she is a worthless cheese eating weasel rat i.e. TRAITOR and should have been charged as such.

But I do understand how she is a HERO to others

[Guest]

"It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, one of the servicemen mentioned in the 'slips of paper' incident. Carrigan was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and did spend time in a POW camp. He has no idea why the story was attributed to him, saying, "I never met Jane Fonda." In 2005, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported that Carrigan "is so tired of having to repeat that he wasn't beaten after Fonda's visit and that there were no beating deaths at that time that he won't talk to the media anymore."

Snopes

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[dorbie 0]

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And who can remember her behind the sight of an NVA anti-aircraft gun?

you mean the one credited with recently downing a US Aircraft?(at that time)

Yea this one:

http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

[warpedskydiver 0]

It has been many years since I read those transcripts, and I wonder now if Michael Moore is her unclaimed love child.

[warpedskydiver 0]

Americans must realize that there are agents* operating in this Country attempting to undermine our Country and it's leadership through our democratic principles in an effort to achieve a foreign country's goal. A prime example of such a person during the Vietnam War was Jane Fonda, an admitted Socialist, who blatantly supported North Vietnam. * Agent - Any person who works to obtain the goals of another nation either for money or for their own political beliefs.

[Amazon 7]

I so love the Ultra rights stance on things like this...ESPECIALLY since so many of them... purport to be "good christians".....She has asked for forgiveness...has done MANY good works in her lifetime for other human beings... yet so many will not forgive something that even she herself has "repented" for....

I guess most of those same christians who hold so much hate in your hearts are the ones who fuck over people all week long... but you go to church on Sunday.. ask for absolution.. then its back to your NORMAL lives again on monday.



You will know them by their deed.......Jesus Christ

[tigra 0]

I am so NOT "ultra right" its not even funny, but ask a Viet Nam veteran how he feels about her "repentence" and "apology". Or why it was so difficult to see her "honored" a few years back when this first started circulating. Even though this story is BS, the damage she did was very real. She wasn't alone, but she WAS extremely high profile. My SO did 3 tours in Nam, and experienced the "welcome" this country had to offer when he returned. That's reality.

[narcimund 0]

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> Can there be any surer signal of impending bullshit?

Still does'nt change the fact that she is a worthless cheese eating weasel rat

Well now that you've convinced me of that, any false accusation against her is appropriate.

Hey, did you guys hear that Jane Fonda steals bread from poor people?

And how about the one where Jane Fonda burnt down a disabled children's hospital and toasted marshmallows over the flames of the screaming kids' medicines?

And there there's the time Jane Fonda stuck her index finger in the eye of a baby harp seal up to the knuckle just so she could taste its blood and use the eyeball for ceremonial satanic worship.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[warpedskydiver 0]

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> Can there be any surer signal of impending bullshit?

Still does'nt change the fact that she is a worthless cheese eating weasel rat

Well now that you've convinced me of that, any false accusation against her is appropriate.

Hey, did you guys hear that Jane Fonda steals bread from poor people?

And how about the one where Jane Fonda burnt down a disabled children's hospital and toasted marshmallows over the flames of the screaming kids' medicines?

And there there's the time Jane Fonda stuck her index finger in the eye of a baby harp seal up to the knuckle just so she could taste its blood and use the eyeball for ceremonial satanic worship.

I am sure that you idolize her, as you are both of the same ideological genre.

[narcimund 0]

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I am sure that you idolize her, as you are both of the same ideological genre.

Yay! People are putting words in my mouth and ideology in my head.

What a time saver you people are. There's no need for me to have a personality -- you invent one for me!

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[tigra 0]

Exactly what ideological genre is that? The one that believes in equal rights? The one that thinks its OK to question our goverment? (Is that so bad?)

And which one is yours? The one that thinks its OK to follow the government like sheep? The one that thinks its OK to deprive some people of basic civil rights? (Up until they arrive on YOUR doorstep?)

Be careful when you start labelling people- you might not like the label you get in return.

[warpedskydiver 0]

I was referring to the ideals they both share, shame of the US, seeming to care more about the enemy of the US than the Us and it's citizens.

that kind of shit.

Yeah I am a sheep huh?

BTW I know you don't mean that

hey can I be uptight and conservative as well?

Maybe even a stick in the mud or a pantywaist?

I am looking for a new hobby in case I run out of others.

ooh oohh I know, I can be a dyed in the wool redneck, yeah that's the ticket!

I bet Narci doesn't know what to think about me actually

[tigra 0]

Like I said, you start throwing labels around, then expect one or two to come back at you.

I HATE what Jane Fonda and a lot of other Americans did back in the late 60s and early 70s. Their RIGHT to do it is part of what makes this country what it is, warts and all.

(Honoring JF as one of last century's greatest women still has me shaking my head........)

And for all you people too young to remember Hanoi Jane- google it, do a little research and form your own opinion. The information is out there.

[SpeedRacer 1]

I don't give a shit about Jane Fonda, but I'd like to ask people something.

If what she actually did was bad enough, why are there these Make-believe stories out there to make her seem even worse?

why was that note-passing story invented, for example?

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[tigra 0]

Apparently because what she did wasn't bad enough for Barbara Walters not to honor her........

Who knows why half these bullshit sories end up on the internet. BUT, if she didn't have the history she had, she would not have been a target.

[jakee 1,563]

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Still does'nt change the fact that she is a worthless cheese eating weasel rat i.e. TRAITOR and should have been charged as such.

I don't get it, who doesn't like cheese?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,106]

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> Can there be any surer signal of impending bullshit?

Still does'nt change the fact that she is a worthless cheese eating weasel rat i.e. TRAITOR and should have been charged as such.

But I do understand how she is a HERO to others

Just like Karl Rove, eh?

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