Bodies of G.I.'s Show Signs of Torture, Iraqi General Says

[StreetScooby 5]

From the NYTimes website.

I read the NYTimes every day. This is one of the things that drives me nuts about this paper. It can be so blatantly negative and left wing when it wants to.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/20/world/20cnd-iraq.html?hp&ex=1150862400&en=4dff42fe4eea893b&ei=5094&partner=homepage

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An American military official in Baghdad, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that both bodies showed evidence of "severe trauma" and that they could not be conclusively identified.

I'm sure it wasn't pretty. They probably took their dog tags, also. For professional writers, they could have described this in a completely different set of words.

F'k it. I'm not reading them for at least the next week

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[Gravitymaster 0]

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From the NYTimes website.

I read the NYTimes every day. This is one of the things that drives me nuts about this paper. It can be so blatantly negative and left wing when it wants to.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/20/world/20cnd-iraq.html?hp&ex=1150862400&en=4dff42fe4eea893b&ei=5094&partner=homepage

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An American military official in Baghdad, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that both bodies showed evidence of "severe trauma" and that they could not be conclusively identified.

I'm sure it wasn't pretty. They probably took their dog tags, also. For professional writers, they could have described this in a completely different set of words.

F'k it. I'm not reading them for at least the next week

I'm sorry for their families.

I'm also glad the article is descriptive. People need to be reminded of the kind of sadistic sub-humans we are up against.

[StreetScooby 5]

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I'm sorry for their families.

Likewise.

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I'm also glad the article is descriptive. People need to be reminded of the kind of sadistic sub-humans we are up against.

Follow the jihad money, rinse, repeat.

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[quade 4]

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For professional writers, they could have described this in a completely different set of words.

Not really. The writers don't appear to have seen the bodies themselves and can really ONLY quote the government officials giving out the information -- of which -- there was very little.

"The general said that he was unable to provide any more details."

I'm thinkin' the article is about as much as anyone could possibly do. BTW, I saw absolutely no trace whatsoever of "negativity" nor "left wing" in that article.

Looked to me like a simple recitation of facts.

Maybe I missed it. Care to point it out to me?

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[StreetScooby 5]

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Maybe I missed it. Care to point it out to me?

Upon reflection, you have a good point. I also read the NYPost on a daily basis (first), so that could have been my emotional base line. NYPost is a pretty "patriotic" rag, and I personally like that.

The NYTimes is very good for generally objective indepth reporting. But, not always.

Wall Street Journal has always struck me as being objective. And I do mean, always. Wonder what they're going to report on this, if anything?

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[Lefty 0]

Don't forget, though, these insurgents had no idea what torture was until we showed them at Abu Graib. Before that they were just stand-up freedom fighters.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
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Don't forget, though, these insurgents had no idea what torture was until we showed them at Abu Graib. Before that they were just stand-up freedom fighters.

I just woke up so I take that as sarcasm. I hope I am correct.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[akarunway 1]

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Don't forget, though, these insurgents had no idea what torture was until we showed them at Abu Graib. Before that they were just stand-up freedom fighters.

I'm not so sure about that. The world has had sadistic torture from the beginning of time. Drawn and Quartered comes to mind

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
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[StreetScooby 5]

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Don't forget, though, these insurgents had no idea what torture was until we showed them at Abu Graib.

Who told you that? An Aggie professor? Uhm, my understanding is they've been doing that since their prophet was alive. It's a form of intimidation.

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[jakee 1,489]

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Who told you that? An Aggie professor? Uhm, my understanding is they've been doing that since their prophet was alive. It's a form of intimidation.

Hmm, torture is all the fault of Islam is it?

Go back further my friend.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[StreetScooby 5]

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Hmm, torture is all the fault of Islam is it?

Where did you get that? In no way did I imply that.

My reference was to the Aggie student's proclamation that Iraqi insurgents only learned torture from the US at Abu Ghraib.

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[jakee 1,489]

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Where did you get that? In no way did I imply that.

'Doing that (torture) since their prophet (Mohammed) was alive'. Thats how I read it.

I was just pointing out that torture, for every civilisation, goes back beyond the dawn of time.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[zoobrothertom 5]

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Don't forget, though, these insurgents had no idea what torture was until we showed them at Abu Graib. Before that they were just stand-up freedom fighters.

You're trolling, right?

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[kallend 2,027]

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Where did you get that? In no way did I imply that.

'Doing that (torture) since their prophet (Mohammed) was alive'. Thats how I read it.

I was just pointing out that torture, for every civilisation, goes back beyond the dawn of time.

As standards of decency evolve, so things like torture and capital punishment become increasingly unacceptable in advanced societies.

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I just woke up so I take that as sarcasm. I hope I am correct.

Ding ding ding! I'm glad someone picked up on it without me having to throw five stupid emoticons at the end.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

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Right now it's only speculation. Post-mortem will reveal whether they were tortured prior to death, or whether they were mutilated afterwards. The enemy lacks any respect for the dead, let alone the living, and don't forget that lies and propaganda are their most effective weapons.

I hope those GIs sold their lives dearly, and died fighting.

It is also interesting to note how rarely this sort of thing happens. GIs are very hard to kill, which is why the RHIFWs rely largely on terror weapons (e.g., IEDs) to do their fighting for them.

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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I just woke up so I take that as sarcasm. I hope I am correct.

Ding ding ding! I'm glad someone picked up on it without me having to throw five stupid emoticons at the end.

Its hard to tell sarcasm on a forum... without hearing the tone of voice, facial expressions, etc.

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Right now it's only speculation. Post-mortem will reveal whether they were tortured prior to death, or whether they were mutilated afterwards. The enemy lacks any respect for the dead, let alone the living, and don't forget that lies and propaganda are their most effective weapons.

I hope those GIs sold their lives dearly, and died fighting.

It is also interesting to note how rarely this sort of thing happens. GIs are very hard to kill, which is why the RHIFWs rely largely on terror weapons (e.g., IEDs) to do their fighting for them.

mh

The US still has thousands of nuclear weapons in its arsenal. I find it hard to understand your comments about how the nasty insurgents like terror weapons given this context.

And on the topic of lies and propaganda, did you read Colin Powell's speech to the UN and Bush's SOTU address in 2003?

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Right now it's only speculation. Post-mortem will reveal whether they were tortured prior to death, or whether they were mutilated afterwards. The enemy lacks any respect for the dead, let alone the living, and don't forget that lies and propaganda are their most effective weapons.

I hope those GIs sold their lives dearly, and died fighting.

It is also interesting to note how rarely this sort of thing happens. GIs are very hard to kill, which is why the RHIFWs rely largely on terror weapons (e.g., IEDs) to do their fighting for them.

mh

The US still has thousands of nuclear weapons in its arsenal. I find it hard to understand your comments about how the nasty insurgents like terror weapons given this context.

And on the topic of lies and propaganda, did you read Colin Powell's speech to the UN and Bush's SOTU address in 2003?

I was hoping someone would take the bait. Thanks for stepping up.

mh

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[kallend 2,027]

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Right now it's only speculation. Post-mortem will reveal whether they were tortured prior to death, or whether they were mutilated afterwards. The enemy lacks any respect for the dead, let alone the living, and don't forget that lies and propaganda are their most effective weapons.

I hope those GIs sold their lives dearly, and died fighting.

It is also interesting to note how rarely this sort of thing happens. GIs are very hard to kill, which is why the RHIFWs rely largely on terror weapons (e.g., IEDs) to do their fighting for them.

mh

The US still has thousands of nuclear weapons in its arsenal. I find it hard to understand your comments about how the nasty insurgents like terror weapons given this context.

And on the topic of lies and propaganda, did you read Colin Powell's speech to the UN and Bush's SOTU address in 2003?

I was hoping someone would take the bait. Thanks for stepping up.

mh

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Always a pleasure to be of service.

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[JohnRich 4]

Well at least something really horrible wasn't done to them, like making them wear panties on their heads. If the terrorists had done that, then all the cut-and-run liberals would have been really upset!

[steveorino 7]

Yeah, imagine that.

steveOrino

[Andy_Copland 0]

This has been bugging me since yesterday, im not trying to take anything away from these soldiers but...

They are in a war zone, they know fine well what has happened to previous soldiers captures by the Iraqi's. Why didnt they fight for survival? Its almost like having a no out situation and hoping for your out of date AAD to fire in my opinion. Its a tragedy but im putting money on it that those poor soldiers wished they went down fighting tooth and nail.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[steveorino 7]

You are ASSUMING too much. Never 'been there" have you?

There were three soldiers on the road check One was killed in the conflict. No doubt these two were emptying their weapons fighting the terrorists as the one who died on the scene did. Most likely what happened is they were simply over ran by the terrorists. I doubt if they surrendered or went willingly. My best bet is they took out all they could, but were simply out numbered by a group who did not want to kill them initially if possible.

steveOrino

[Andy_Copland 0]

Im "assuming" this after speaking to a lot of people who have been in combat and said the same thing. Your underlining indicates to me that your calling me an ass, not appreciated.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.