Amazon 7 #101 June 23, 2006 QuoteTowards our enemies, we must show a level of ruthlessness that has not been part of our military character for a long time. Perhaps evey insurgent killed needs to be castrated.. his parts shoved in his mouth and then buried in as much pork lard as we can ship over there. That should screw over their plans for the 72 virgins and give them pause to doing attrocities to others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #103 June 23, 2006 While part of me says that might work and might feel right to some, I think the average US soldier is more noble than that. Not that there aren't exceptions, but I remember a story about an SF soldier in Desert Storm who should have killed a little girl because she compromised their position. He couldn't bring himself to do it even though his own life and the lives of his A-team might might depend on it. Apart from a few whackos and those pyschologically disturbed by this war, I believe that describes the average US soilder's mentality -- they're soldiers not terrorists. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #104 June 23, 2006 QuotePerhaps evey insurgent killed needs to be castrated.. his parts shoved in his mouth and then buried in as much pork lard as we can ship over there. That should screw over their plans for the 72 virgins and give them pause to doing attrocities to others. My god! I agree with you Amazon.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #105 June 23, 2006 The problem is they have declared Jihad.....Holy War...Perhaps if they are denied that afterlife of pleasure because of their inhumanity to others in this lifetime. Bury them in an UNHOLY state. I am sure someone could manage to impliment such a policy for our enemies who pretend there is no need to treat other human beings as human beings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #106 June 23, 2006 I understand completely your reasoning, and agree it may (or may not) have the effect you think it would. My point is, most Americans would have a difficult time adopting the "jihad mentality" and waging war with no regard for "rules of engagement" and the common decency of man. While we were never innocent of war crimes in WW2 and Viet Nam, we seldom carried out the same type of atrocities the Nazis did to the Jews or the Japenese and Vietnamese did to POWs. I admit war is a terrible thing, but it is often carried out by men (and women) of noble character. General Powell comes to mind. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #107 June 23, 2006 I do understand.... I served for 8 years and taught Code of Conduct amoung other things. BUT.. this is a different enemy... one that understands a different code of ethics. Until we realize that and make war so horrible to him that he will not continue down the path he has chosen so that ALL of us can live in peace we need a new set of rules for them. Personally I do not relish the thought of living in their 7th Century world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #108 June 23, 2006 QuotePersonally I do not relish the thought of living in their 7th Century world. Then why go there? The enemy has taken so much from us, but we still have the ability to choose to do the right thing. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #109 June 23, 2006 QuoteThen why go there? The enemy has taken so much from us, but we still have the ability to choose to do the right thing. Because they will not let us live in peace no matter how much WE wish it... let them reap the whirlwind....the reality of TRUE shock and disgust will be the only thing that will make these people back off... either that or we will need to kill all of them before there will be any peace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #110 June 23, 2006 >Bury them in an UNHOLY state. If your friends were crucified upside down by an occupying force, would that eliminate your desire to fight them? Would you stop hating them then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #111 June 23, 2006 How we feel is irrelevant... how THEY feel is ALL important. If they know the 72 virgins option is out.... I think a lot of them would pack it in immediately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #112 June 23, 2006 QuoteWould you stop hating them then? No, but I would be scared shitless of them.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #113 June 23, 2006 QuoteI understand completely your reasoning, and agree it may (or may not) have the effect you think it would. My point is, most Americans would have a difficult time adopting the "jihad mentality" and waging war with no regard for "rules of engagement" and the common decency of man. While we were never innocent of war crimes in WW2 and Viet Nam, we seldom carried out the same type of atrocities the Nazis did to the Jews or the Japenese and Vietnamese did to POWs. I admit war is a terrible thing, but it is often carried out by men (and women) of noble character. General Powell comes to mind.This Powell?>http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin3.html>A Pattern of Brutality While a horrific example of a Vietnam war crime, the My Lai massacre was not unique. It fit a long pattern of indiscriminate violence against civilians that had marred U.S. participation in the Vietnam War from its earliest days when Americans acted primarily as advisers. In 1963, Capt. Colin Powell was one of those advisers, serving a first tour with a South Vietnamese army unit. Powell's detachment sought to discourage support for the Viet Cong by torching villages throughout the A Shau Valley. While other U.S. advisers protested this countrywide strategy as brutal and counter-productive, Powell defended the "drain-the-sea" approach then -- and continued that defense in his 1995 memoirs, My American Journey. (See The Consortium, July 8)I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #114 June 23, 2006 QuoteBig boys game, big boys rules. Evidently only as long as it's the insurgents doing it, in your opinion...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #115 June 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteTowards our enemies, we must show a level of ruthlessness that has not been part of our military character for a long time. Perhaps evey insurgent killed needs to be castrated.. his parts shoved in his mouth and then buried in as much pork lard as we can ship over there. That should screw over their plans for the 72 virgins and give them pause to doing attrocities to others. Oh, how original.. That crap about being buried with a pig is a stupid uninformed idea. Muslims belive that once dead the reserection on the day of judgement will be a spirtual body the same applys for entering paradise. So all that you would achieve is making yourselves look stupid. Not to mention engendering further hate towards your country.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #116 June 23, 2006 QuoteQuotePerhaps evey insurgent killed needs to be castrated.. his parts shoved in his mouth and then buried in as much pork lard as we can ship over there. That should screw over their plans for the 72 virgins and give them pause to doing attrocities to others. My god! I agree with you Amazon. Try thinking about it, if the Jihadists were so worried about what happens to their bodies after death they would hardly be blowing themselves to the four winds in suicide attacksWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #117 June 23, 2006 QuoteThe problem is they have declared Jihad.....Holy War...Perhaps if they are denied that afterlife of pleasure because of their inhumanity to others in this lifetime. Bury them in an UNHOLY state. I am sure someone could manage to impliment such a policy for our enemies who pretend there is no need to treat other human beings as human beings. If you had any knowledge on the subject you'd also know that those deemed martyrs go straight to paradise 'don't pass go' so even if there was a big deal about the physical remains (and there is not) by the time you got the body and did whatever it is you want to do to it (other than traumatise us soldiers) they'd still be kicking back in Paradise looking at seventy two raisens wondering why they didn't read the small print.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #118 June 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteBig boys game, big boys rules. Evidently only as long as it's the insurgents doing it, in your opinion... Your words not mine.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #119 June 23, 2006 Quote they'd still be kicking back in Paradise looking at seventy two raisens wondering why they didn't read the small print. Huh? Maybe we should be a large billboard advertisement in Riyahd and inform them of this.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #120 June 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotePerhaps evey insurgent killed needs to be castrated.. his parts shoved in his mouth and then buried in as much pork lard as we can ship over there. That should screw over their plans for the 72 virgins and give them pause to doing attrocities to others. My god! I agree with you Amazon. Try thinking about it, if the Jihadists were so worried about what happens to their bodies after death they would hardly be blowing themselves to the four winds in suicide attacks That is why they need to be fed feet first to starved hogs while they are still alive. Capture them and let them know in no uncertain terms where they are headed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #121 June 23, 2006 While I think good points are being made on both sides, and I am not a military strategist, it does make sense to me to play by their rules for at least a little while. Let's see where it goes.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #122 June 23, 2006 QuoteWhile I think good points are being made on both sides, and I am not a military strategist, it does make sense to me to play by their rules for at least a little while. Let's see where it goes. Jail! R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #123 June 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhile I think good points are being made on both sides, and I am not a military strategist, it does make sense to me to play by their rules for at least a little while. Let's see where it goes. Jail! and condemnation from the media and the rest of the world about how dare WE use terror in the military. Only terrorists, aka Freedom Fighters, can use terror tactics. The US is banned from fighting fire with fire by the media... err I mean geneva convention MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
opurt 0 #124 June 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotePerhaps evey insurgent killed needs to be castrated.. his parts shoved in his mouth and then buried in as much pork lard as we can ship over there. That should screw over their plans for the 72 virgins and give them pause to doing attrocities to others. My god! I agree with you Amazon. Try thinking about it, if the Jihadists were so worried about what happens to their bodies after death they would hardly be blowing themselves to the four winds in suicide attacks Recall Atta's funeral instructions: The will has been translated by the FBI, and includes the following instructions. "I do not want a pregnant woman or a person who is unclean to come and say goodbye to me. I do not want any woman to come to my grave at all, during my funeral or any occasion thereafter." It seems like there might be a disconnect between what they think happens to them after a suicide attack and what actually does. Maybe, maybe not - a point to ponder. Why would this guy think there would anything left of his body after flying a jetliner full of fuel into a massive building? This will may have been written before Atta decided on auto-martyring with the jetliner. But, there may be some concern for the body. Like I say, a point to ponder. From day 1, we realized we would have to think "out-of-the-box" in order to defeat Al Qaeda. Many of our previous enemies were tigers. Our current enemy is a swarm of deadly disease-carrying mosquitoes. We musn't fall into the trap of trying to apply techniques that kill the tiger, to killing the mosquitoes. I have some concern that we are falling into that trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #125 June 23, 2006 QuoteFrom day 1, we realized we would have to think "out-of-the-box" in order to defeat Al Qaeda. Many of our previous enemies were tigers. Our current enemy is a swarm of deadly disease-carrying mosquitoes. We musn't fall into the trap of trying to apply techniques that kill the tiger, to killing the mosquitoes. I have some concern that we are falling into that trap. I agree with this. What do you think we should be doing different? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
