Andy_Copland 0 #1 June 29, 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5127556.stm The Israeli's are really taking this kidnapping seriously, Hamas officials arrested and the Syrian president buzzed.1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #2 June 29, 2006 Don't you just love how the Israelis take charge of a situation? You would think, by now, the Palestinians would figure out how to avoid such problems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #3 June 29, 2006 Quotehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5127556.stm The Israeli's are really taking this kidnapping seriously, Hamas officials arrested and the Syrian president buzzed. If I were Hamas, I'd be thinking seriously about returning this soldier. It isn't worth it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #4 June 29, 2006 I love how are media works. One kidnapped Israeli solder is a huge deal. Israel killing hundreds of inocent Palestinian not even worth a mention and the sheep follow. Bahhhhhhhhh BahhhhhhhhhI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #5 June 29, 2006 Darius I understrand your argument, but you must admit that kidanpping any Soldier anywhere is a VERY stupid move. Kill him outright and the media will barely blink and eye, kidnap and they are all over it. As for how the military of any country feels about kidnapping, well the kidnappers will usually wind up as a stain somewhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 0 #6 June 29, 2006 QuoteI love how are media works. One kidnapped Israeli solder is a huge deal. Israel killing hundreds of inocent Palestinian not even worth a mention and the sheep follow. Bahhhhhhhhh Bahhhhhhhhh I think the reason this is such big news is that, for once, Hamas is actually targeting Israel's military instead of children and other civilians. It's a big step for them.Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #7 June 29, 2006 Maybe they can take another step and like Israel just kill anyone that gets in they’re way including woman and children. After 50+ years of murder the Israelis must have become great teachers in the art of killing by now.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #8 June 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteI love how are media works. One kidnapped Israeli solder is a huge deal. Israel killing hundreds of inocent Palestinian not even worth a mention and the sheep follow. Bahhhhhhhhh Bahhhhhhhhh I think the reason this is such big news is that, for once, Hamas is actually targeting Israel's military instead of children and other civilians. It's a big step for them. I wouldn't be too optimistic given the history of Hamas and the Palestinians. I'm sure bombing a bus or school isn't too far off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dolph 0 #9 June 29, 2006 QuoteAfter 50+ years of murder the Israelis must have become great teachers in the art of killing by now. Aye, what they haven't learned on their own, their friendly neighbours have provided examples of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #10 June 29, 2006 QuoteMaybe they can take another step and like Israel just kill anyone that gets in they’re way including woman and children. After 50+ years of murder the Israelis must have become great teachers in the art of killing by now. And their investigators are apparently as effective at telling the truth as our own congressional investigators are. Here's Israel's report on their investigation of the Rachael Corrie incident. "However, the army said that military police investigating the incident found that Corrie was killed by earth and building rubble falling on her as she tried to climb on a pile of earth while the bulldozer was operating." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3025016.stm And the pictures of what actually happened. I wouldn't call a bulldozer blade "falling rubble". Fucking liars. http://electronicintifada.net/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/7/1248 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #11 June 29, 2006 and you know for a fact what happened there? you assume you know based on reports you read, you just chose the ones you like to believe to... "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #12 June 29, 2006 QuoteI think the reason this is such big news is that, for once, Hamas is actually targeting Israel's military instead of children and other civilians. It's a big step for them. based on the fact that there was also a civilian who was kidnapped and murdered in the west bank this week, i think your assumption is wrong "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #13 June 29, 2006 Quotebased on the fact that there was also a civilian who was kidnapped and murdered in the west bank this week, i think your assumption is wrong Not to mention the fact that two other soldiers were killed in the original raid, we don't know what's happened to the first kidnapped soldier (Gilad Shalit, I think), and the fact the attack took place on a military base. If someone were to come out and attack a military base of yours, that would be considered an act of war, without ambiguity. Thus, the Israelies have taken the steps they see fit to quell Hamas and it's different arms. Al Aqsa has also claimed to have fired a chemical warhead into Israel; while Israel states that there was none. It's been enlightening reading the ME news outlets, and seeing the arguments made for both sides. Frankly, the Palestinians have no footing here. Israel is allowed to protect herself from attack...and she is doing so. To be sure, it will be bad. And to be sure, people will die. But so far, in the military strikes that Israel has made, there haven't been any casualties; they have bombed bridges, a power plant, an abandoned airport (iirc), and the Muslim university, but not one person has been killed; there have been arrests/detention of Hamas leadership and the Gaza mayor...but they haven't been murdered. The cold blooded murder of an 18 year old civilian who was kidnapped over the weekend has definitely occurred. And that is simply putting a match to an already fuel laden fire. How come no one is mentioning that? Because Israel is acting with restraint...whereas Hamas is not. And furthermore, Hamas says they're not holding Gilad, but are trying to negotiate a prisoner swap. How can they "swap" if they don't have Gilad in the first place? There is untruth being told here, and I don't know what it is; either they have him and will "swap" or they don't have him, and can't swap...and this is pissing into the wind. So which is it? Ciels- Michele Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #14 June 29, 2006 Quoteand you know for a fact what happened there? you assume you know based on reports you read, you just chose the ones you like to believe to... Sorry, but I'm not sure which post you're replying to. If it's the one about the girl being killed then you don't really need to read the story. Just looking at the pictures shows that the official result of the Israeli Army investigation is crap. She was run over. And I know that both sides embellish or discount. And that's what I'm pointing out. Both sides are acting poorly. Also, what's going on right now is really unfortunate. This is going to destroy any hope for peace talks any time soon. But I guess we know one thing. Ehud Olmert obviously isn't going to let the hardliners down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #15 June 29, 2006 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not to mention the fact that two other soldiers were killed in the original raid, we don't know what's happened to the first kidnapped soldier (Gilad Shalit, I think), and the fact the attack took place on a military base. If someone were to come out and attack a military base of yours, that would be considered an act of war, without ambiguity. Thus, the Israelies have taken the steps they see fit to quell Hamas and it's different arms. This whole thing comes down to the chicken and egg question...who attacked who first? Cause both sides are contsantly claiming retaliation. So, since we have many here on the side of Israel and some on the side of palestine....who was the first to attack? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #16 June 29, 2006 QuoteSo, since we have many here on the side of Israel and some on the side of palestine....who was the first to attack? Cain?? I think we should just pump a bunch of Valium into the water supply down there for the next year or so. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #17 June 29, 2006 Yea with copious amounts of E.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #18 June 29, 2006 Except their water supply has been bombed (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #19 June 30, 2006 QuoteI love how are media works. One kidnapped Israeli solder is a huge deal. Israel killing hundreds of inocent Palestinian not even worth a mention and the sheep follow. Bahhhhhhhhh Bahhhhhhhhh the palestian children should have learned by now... don't throw rocks at tanks. you will get shot at. and what about the hundreds of civilians killed by palestians with suicide bombings. I guess the darius sheep didn't hear about those. bahhhhhhhhhhh MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #20 June 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteI love how are media works. One kidnapped Israeli solder is a huge deal. Israel killing hundreds of inocent Palestinian not even worth a mention and the sheep follow. Bahhhhhhhhh Bahhhhhhhhh the palestian children should have learned by now... don't throw rocks at tanks. you will get shot at. and what about the hundreds of civilians killed by palestians with suicide bombings. I guess the darius sheep didn't hear about those. bahhhhhhhhhhh Yeah, but they started it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #21 June 30, 2006 QuoteYeah, but they started it. And you know for a fact that is not true? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #22 July 2, 2006 QuoteI love how are media works. One kidnapped Israeli solder is a huge deal. Israel killing hundreds of inocent Palestinian not even worth a mention and the sheep follow. Darius, that's because the moment Israel gives an inch of territory to the Palestinians, the Palestinians immediately start launching rocket salvos into the nearest Israeli town that is now in range. You got any excuses to offer about that ? They're always pulling this kind of crap, especially with Hamas at the helm now. It's somehow okay for Hamas to send suicide bombers into Israel ? It's somehow okay for Palestinians to make a urinal out of the Church of the Nativity ? It's somehow okay for them to pull crap after crap and then talk about "international law" and the "deaths of innocents" ? Fuck 'em. The Palestinians elected Hamas, they can live with the government they elected. If they think they're going to get the world's sympathy for behaving like assholes, they're sadly mistaken. I used to be a real peace & brown rice hippie about how mistreated I thought the Palestinians were. Until I saw those assholes dancing in the street and firing their fucking AK-47s in the air on 9/11/01. They want a war, they've got one. Their main complaint is they can't seem to live with the consequencxes of their own actions. So fuck 'em, kill 'em all. That's what we think here in America Darius, we're out of patience and just want to kill 'em all. So tell your friends 'cuz that's the way it is. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #23 July 2, 2006 Problem is.. tarring all of the Palestinians with the same brush and hitting their power/water/sewage hurts all of the innocents as well as the criminals What the criminals in Palestine are doing is wrong but so is what Israel is up to... If there is a crack house somewhere in your down... you'd be mighty pissed off if the FBI shut off your essential services and kept you awake night after night. Or... it would be like bombing a whole country back to the stone age so that they could be free and to get a couple of people out of power..... but noone would ever do that... they'd have to be criminally isane. . . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #24 July 3, 2006 QuoteI used to be a real peace & brown rice hippie about how mistreated I thought the Palestinians were. Until I saw those assholes dancing in the street and firing their fucking AK-47s in the air on 9/11/01.I'm glad to see a conversion to common sense by a dose of reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #25 July 3, 2006 QuoteProblem is.. tarring all of the Palestinians with the same brush and hitting their power/water/sewage hurts all of the innocents as well as the criminals What the criminals in Palestine are doing is wrong but so is what Israel is up to... Actions have consequenses. The people put Hamas in charge knowing fully well what they were all about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
