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QuoteSo you ARE saying Bush lied when he claimed to be a conservative. That's cool. The truth will set you free.
It what you post is the truth
. It feels more like being set on fire.
If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!
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Modern Conservatism
-Aggressive, pre-emptive military action. Unilateral if necessary. Bottomless military spending.
-outsource all labor thus eliminating the working middle class and concentrating more power in a small economic elite.
-centralize power in the executive branch and marginalize the other branches as much as possible.
-squelch dissent through limits on personal freedoms and limits on the media.
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-Aggressive, pre-emptive military action. Unilateral if necessary. Bottomless military spending.
-outsource all labor thus eliminating the working middle class and concentrating more power in a small economic elite.
-centralize power in the executive branch and marginalize the other branches as much as possible.
-squelch dissent through limits on personal freedoms and limits on the media.
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Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.
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So you ARE saying Bush lied when he claimed to be a conservative. That's cool. The truth will set you free.
One of the many reasons Bush was never my guy during the primaries. Bush and his dad are Globalists, a concept I also never embraced.
***The government allows me to live my life. Earn a living, live in a decent place, go skydiving etc etc.. The gov provides us with stability that we often take for granted....
Whatever they have to do to protect the freedoms I have I will support. (-- Hawkins121)
Whatever they have to do to protect the freedoms I have I will support. (-- Hawkins121)
I'm sorry there's so little discussion of the question I raised.
According to Hawkins121 (when he's not insulting neighbor sovereign nations):
* Government provides all life
* Government provides all jobs
* Government provides all wealth
* Government provides all physical security
* Government gives permission for recreation
* Any powers over the governed are acceptable so long as government wants it.
Back in pre-history we used to attribute these sorts of statements to the EVIL EMPIRE, the soviet communists. Now the party of Ronald Reagan has BECOME what it claimed to loathe. That makes one wonder how much they LOATHED the soviets and how much they simply ENVIED the soviets.
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QuoteThat makes one wonder how much they LOATHED the soviets and how much they simply ENVIED the soviets.
Might want to lay off the wondering a bit...it doesn't mesh with the rest of your argument.
Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin
-Calvin
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Before this thread deteriates into the usual hate-filled Bush bash, let me remind you that Bush is not a conservative and one of the reasons his poll numbers are so low is because of a lack of support from his conservative base.
What he said.
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kallend 2,106
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So you ARE saying Bush lied when he claimed to be a conservative. That's cool. The truth will set you free.What part of "Compassionate" Conservative did you fail to understand?
One of the many reasons Bush was never my guy during the primaries. Bush and his dad are Globalists, a concept I also never embraced.
Bush calls himself a conservative and you say he's not. So one of you is lying. (I don't think it's you).
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Again you twist my posts into whatever random idea is floating around in your head.
I didnt insult canada. Canada just doesnt matter.
I didnt insult canada. Canada just doesnt matter.
all of it.QuoteWhat part of "Compassionate" Conservative did you fail to understand?
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So you ARE saying Bush lied when he claimed to be a conservative. That's cool. The truth will set you free.What part of "Compassionate" Conservative did you fail to understand?
One of the many reasons Bush was never my guy during the primaries. Bush and his dad are Globalists, a concept I also never embraced.
Bush calls himself a conservative and you say he's not. So one of you is lying. (I don't think it's you).
Define Conservative.
I think it's a matter of scale. Many of the uninformed believe all Conservatives are gun toting, pick-up driving, rednecks (not that there's anything wrong with that
). Others believe they are all greedy, wealthy, cigar smoking Country Club types. Quite a diverse range.
Personally, I believe in the more traditional conservative principles. Smaller govt. lower taxes, individualism, a hand up, not a hand out. Major overhaul in tax collection and tax law, pivatization of education etc.
I'd also like to see the US become a little more isolationalist than it has been for the past 40 years. I wish we'd work on making ourselves better educated and competitive which I think would lead to less polarization politically.
I see nobody on the horizon that fits well with my beliefs, so I'll have to continue to support those closest even though it's tough to do sometimes.
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Quote***The government allows me to live my life. Earn a living, live in a decent place, go skydiving etc etc.. The gov provides us with stability that we often take for granted....
Whatever they have to do to protect the freedoms I have I will support. (-- Hawkins121)
I'm sorry there's so little discussion of the question I raised.
According to Hawkins121 (when he's not insulting neighbor sovereign nations):
* Government provides all life
* Government provides all jobs
* Government provides all wealth
* Government provides all physical security
* Government gives permission for recreation
* Any powers over the governed are acceptable so long as government wants it.
Back in pre-history we used to attribute these sorts of statements to the EVIL EMPIRE, the soviet communists. Now the party of Ronald Reagan has BECOME what it claimed to loathe. That makes one wonder how much they LOATHED the soviets and how much they simply ENVIED the soviets.
You know, I read Hawkins list three times and it DOES describe what the government is looked at to provide on one side, and perhaps take away on the other. It depends on the interpretation...
Both views scare me.
Are we lost as a society? I find myself agreeing with my political opposites, and have realized how fanatical behavior on either side just provides the smoke screen necessary to facilitate the means to an end that neither wish for, or perhaps are prepared for.
A government, of the people, by the people, for the people.
Man I hope that we have a worthy choice next time around. I don't give a damn if they're Democrat, Republican, Liberal, or whatever...
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QuoteQuoteahh I didnt realize you were from Canada... Had I known, I wouldnt have been as confused as to how you can post some of the things you do. Anyone from canada should be kissing our govs ass. Sorry fellas. Without us everything you have goes to shit. You would not have a large enough force to defend yourself and your economy would go to shit.
After all Canada is like the United States retarded kid brother. The US wants to protect canada and nurture a relationship but it doesnt matter what canada has to say. Its all just jibberish and incomplete thoughts. The US just puts a plastic helmet on canadas head and sends him off to play.
It is unfortunate that you have to attack everyone from Canada due to a personal disagreement between yourself and Narcimund. I personally have a very Pro-US position on most things and little tolerance for Canadians who just rant anti-Americanism, however you have just behaved in the very same manner.
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My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
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When their forces are overwhelmed, they simply blend into the crowd, and with our pc way of dealing with such situations, it's going to be difficult to crush the enemy.
Which side of the aisle always want to play patty cake, instead of taking care of business?
What exactly are you suggesting? What are you defining as "our pc way of dealing with such situations"?Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for lost faith in ourselves.
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