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Who would you vote for or like in office in 2008

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Well... WE Brits did design it for you, didn't we! Although it was originally promoted as a solution the our "George III problem" of the time.



Uhm.. HOW?

Last time i checked our system was designed by Americans. Ever read the Federalist Papers? I don't remember any Britains in the continental congress.

Am i missing something or something? something...

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Well... WE Brits did design it for you, didn't we! Although it was originally promoted as a solution the our "George III problem" of the time.



Uhm.. HOW?

Last time i checked our system was designed by Americans. Ever read the Federalist Papers? I don't remember any Britains in the continental congress.

Am i missing something or something? something...



Weren't they all British by birth?
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Noam Chomsky :)



Naom Chomsky the Psychologist?:S

Are you proposing that he be President, or that he tries to explain and justify his theory of language acquisition... With one of Dubbie's speeches playing in the background!?:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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I've got to agree, 'W', has been a bit of a dis-appointment.[:/]


Chuck



DING! DING! DING!

WE HAVE A WINNER! For the biggest understatement on dropzone.com.:D:D:D

I just wish he could read a damn telepromter and learn that the end of a line isn't necessarily the end of a sentence.

I saw him speak in person once. Just as bad.>:(


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When 'W' ran for president, the first time, his own father said something to the effect that 'W' wasn't the brightest bulb in the box.


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I don't remember any Britains Britons in the continental congress.

Am i missing something or something? something...

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Weren't they all British by birth?



FWIW - most (maybe all?) of the members of the original Contrinental Congress were British subjects by birth, but many of them were born in the American colonies.

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O.K., what has McCain done


he votes the way HE thinks is right, not what his party thinks is right.

i would like to see a mccain/gulliani ticket.


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Now that, would be interesting.


Chuck




they should both run for the republican nomination, and whoever comes in second could sign on as the other's vp.


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O.K., what has McCain done


he votes the way HE thinks is right, not what his party thinks is right.

i would like to see a mccain/gulliani ticket.


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Now that, would be interesting.


Chuck




they should both run for the republican nomination, and whoever comes in second could sign on as the other's vp.


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Helluvan idea. A bit un-orthadox. Certainly would put a new slant to the process.:D


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I don't remember any Britains Britons in the continental congress.

Am i missing something or something? something...

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Weren't they all British by birth?



FWIW - most (maybe all?) of the members of the original Contrinental Congress were British subjects by birth, but many of them were born in the American colonies.



Yeah... They were all immigrants or second-generation at most (and not a single set of papers between the lot of them - I guess that today that would make them Wetbacks).

The point was that they were still in touch with the English Political Intelligensia of the time.

At this time, King George III was on the throne and suffering from a recurring kidney complaint that caused him to believe that he was a small farmhouse in Norfolk (or similar). This did not sit well with the prevailing model of government. Too much power for the available sanity!

The proposal was that the lower house (Commons), instead of being dissolved and formed at the whim of the (mad) monarch, would sit for a fixed period between elections. The upper house(Lords), rather than being all appointed by the (mad) monarch, would also be elected, with the upper & lower house elections being staggered.

(Is this starting to sound familiar yet?)

The Monarch's power would be effectively limited to one of veto if he were in conflict with the elected houses, but he would retain his "court" and be able to promote policy, declare war, etc...

The only difference between the proposal for English Political Reform and the American Government model is that while the Monarchy was hereditary, you have elected a president.

In effect, America (wisely) nicked a British idea. The difference which avcoided letting a George III into power allowed Dubbie in. Y'All decide which version was worse!:ph34r:

Anyway... THIS give us Brits the moral right to tell you former colonials how to govern. Also, you STILL haven't paid for the tea!:D

Mike.

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I don't remember any Britains Britons in the continental congress.

Am i missing something or something? something...

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Weren't they all British by birth?



FWIW - most (maybe all?) of the members of the original Contrinental Congress were British subjects by birth, but many of them were born in the American colonies.



Yeah... They were all immigrants or second-generation at most (and not a single set of papers between the lot of them - I guess that today that would make them Wetbacks).

The point was that they were still in touch with the English Political Intelligensia of the time.

At this time, King George III was on the throne and suffering from a recurring kidney complaint that caused him to believe that he was a small farmhouse in Norfolk (or similar). This did not sit well with the prevailing model of government. Too much power for the available sanity!

The proposal was that the lower house (Commons), instead of being dissolved and formed at the whim of the (mad) monarch, would sit for a fixed period between elections. The upper house(Lords), rather than being all appointed by the (mad) monarch, would also be elected, with the upper & lower house elections being staggered.

(Is this starting to sound familiar yet?)

The Monarch's power would be effectively limited to one of veto if he were in conflict with the elected houses, but he would retain his "court" and be able to promote policy, declare war, etc...

The only difference between the proposal for English Political Reform and the American Government model is that while the Monarchy was hereditary, you have elected a president.

In effect, America (wisely) nicked a British idea. The difference which avcoided letting a George III into power allowed Dubbie in. Y'All decide which version was worse!:ph34r:

Anyway... THIS give us Brits the moral right to tell you former colonials how to govern. Also, you STILL haven't paid for the tea!:D

Mike.


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How very pompous of you!:D ...and NO we ain't payin' for no stinkin' tea! Have you seen the price of that stuff, lately? The founding fathers gathered ideas from various sources. I believe, their idea was to alienate us from British rule in any way shape or form. They weren't wet-backs... they came by boat and the Native americans helped them dock.


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O.K., what has McCain done


he votes the way HE thinks is right, not what his party thinks is right.

i would like to see a mccain/gulliani ticket.


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Now that, would be interesting.


Chuck




they should both run for the republican nomination, and whoever comes in second could sign on as the other's vp.


________________________________________

Helluvan idea. A bit un-orthadox. Certainly would put a new slant to the process.:D


Chuck




you'll know that this is the plan when neither of them sling mud at each other while campaigning for the nomination.


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O.K., what has McCain done


he votes the way HE thinks is right, not what his party thinks is right.

i would like to see a mccain/gulliani ticket.


________________________________________

Now that, would be interesting.


Chuck




they should both run for the republican nomination, and whoever comes in second could sign on as the other's vp.


________________________________________

Helluvan idea. A bit un-orthadox. Certainly would put a new slant to the process.:D


Chuck




you'll know that this is the plan when neither of them sling mud at each other while campaigning for the nomination.


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No mud-slinging? That's just un-American!:D


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O.K., what has McCain done


he votes the way HE thinks is right, not what his party thinks is right.

i would like to see a mccain/gulliani ticket.


________________________________________

Now that, would be interesting.


Chuck




they should both run for the republican nomination, and whoever comes in second could sign on as the other's vp.


________________________________________

Helluvan idea. A bit un-orthadox. Certainly would put a new slant to the process.:D


Chuck



Actually, that was the way of it in the beginning... the loser would end up as the VP...
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I don't remember any Britains Britons in the continental congress.

Am i missing something or something? something...

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Weren't they all British by birth?



FWIW - most (maybe all?) of the members of the original Contrinental Congress were British subjects by birth, but many of them were born in the American colonies.



Yeah... They were all immigrants or second-generation at most (and not a single set of papers between the lot of them - I guess that today that would make them Wetbacks).

The point was that they were still in touch with the English Political Intelligensia of the time.

At this time, King George III was on the throne and suffering from a recurring kidney complaint that caused him to believe that he was a small farmhouse in Norfolk (or similar). This did not sit well with the prevailing model of government. Too much power for the available sanity!

The proposal was that the lower house (Commons), instead of being dissolved and formed at the whim of the (mad) monarch, would sit for a fixed period between elections. The upper house(Lords), rather than being all appointed by the (mad) monarch, would also be elected, with the upper & lower house elections being staggered.

(Is this starting to sound familiar yet?)

The Monarch's power would be effectively limited to one of veto if he were in conflict with the elected houses, but he would retain his "court" and be able to promote policy, declare war, etc...

The only difference between the proposal for English Political Reform and the American Government model is that while the Monarchy was hereditary, you have elected a president.

In effect, America (wisely) nicked a British idea. The difference which avcoided letting a George III into power allowed Dubbie in. Y'All decide which version was worse!:ph34r:

Anyway... THIS give us Brits the moral right to tell you former colonials how to govern. Also, you STILL haven't paid for the tea!:D

Mike.


__________________________________________

How very pompous of you!:D ...and NO we ain't payin' for no stinkin' tea! Have you seen the price of that stuff, lately? The founding fathers gathered ideas from various sources. I believe, their idea was to alienate us from British rule in any way shape or form. They weren't wet-backs... they came by boat and the Native americans helped them dock.


Chuck



Yeah, well, I've seen Plymouth Rock, and I don't think you could get out of a Mayflower sized ship onto that rock without getting wet!:P
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O.K., what has McCain done


he votes the way HE thinks is right, not what his party thinks is right.

i would like to see a mccain/gulliani ticket.


________________________________________

Now that, would be interesting.


Chuck




they should both run for the republican nomination, and whoever comes in second could sign on as the other's vp.



That doesn't work so well when most politicians these days go negative in order to win.

Personally, I'd like to see Powell as President & McCain as VP, but I doubt that'll happen. If it does, I'd also hope the Democrats win a slight majority in the House and we see around 50-50 in the Senate.

If we're gonna get stuck with another bad option, I hope it's Hillary just so we have a different set of red-faces to look at. ;)

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I don't remember any Britains Britons in the continental congress.

Am i missing something or something? something...

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Weren't they all British by birth?



FWIW - most (maybe all?) of the members of the original Contrinental Congress were British subjects by birth, but many of them were born in the American colonies.



Yeah... They were all immigrants or second-generation at most (and not a single set of papers between the lot of them - I guess that today that would make them Wetbacks).

The point was that they were still in touch with the English Political Intelligensia of the time.

At this time, King George III was on the throne and suffering from a recurring kidney complaint that caused him to believe that he was a small farmhouse in Norfolk (or similar). This did not sit well with the prevailing model of government. Too much power for the available sanity!

The proposal was that the lower house (Commons), instead of being dissolved and formed at the whim of the (mad) monarch, would sit for a fixed period between elections. The upper house(Lords), rather than being all appointed by the (mad) monarch, would also be elected, with the upper & lower house elections being staggered.

(Is this starting to sound familiar yet?)

The Monarch's power would be effectively limited to one of veto if he were in conflict with the elected houses, but he would retain his "court" and be able to promote policy, declare war, etc...

The only difference between the proposal for English Political Reform and the American Government model is that while the Monarchy was hereditary, you have elected a president.

In effect, America (wisely) nicked a British idea. The difference which avcoided letting a George III into power allowed Dubbie in. Y'All decide which version was worse!:ph34r:

Anyway... THIS give us Brits the moral right to tell you former colonials how to govern. Also, you STILL haven't paid for the tea!:D

Mike.


__________________________________________

How very pompous of you!:D ...and NO we ain't payin' for no stinkin' tea! Have you seen the price of that stuff, lately? The founding fathers gathered ideas from various sources. I believe, their idea was to alienate us from British rule in any way shape or form. They weren't wet-backs... they came by boat and the Native americans helped them dock.


Chuck



Yeah, well, I've seen Plymouth Rock, and I don't think you could get out of a Mayflower sized ship onto that rock without getting wet!:P


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:D:D:D


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Helluvan idea. A bit un-orthadox. Certainly would put a new slant to the process.:D


Chuck



Actually, that was the way of it in the beginning... the loser would end up as the VP...



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Yessir! For this day and age though, it would be un-orthadox for the way we've been doing it. Wouldn't the possibilities just boggle the mind? We could have a Pres. from one party and a V.P from another party. :D:D:D What we really need to do is... get rid of the forking lobbyists! Like, that would ever happen! A line-item veto to keep some of the ridiculous 'riders' from making it through, wouldn't hurt.


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Helluvan idea. A bit un-orthadox. Certainly would put a new slant to the process.:D


Chuck



Actually, that was the way of it in the beginning... the loser would end up as the VP...



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Yessir! For this day and age though, it would be un-orthadox for the way we've been doing it. Wouldn't the possibilities just boggle the mind? We could have a Pres. from one party and a V.P from another party. :D:D:D What we really need to do is... get rid of the forking lobbyists! Like, that would ever happen! A line-item veto to keep some of the ridiculous 'riders' from making it through, wouldn't hurt.


Chuck



Actually, I think it'd work well... definitely agree on the lobbyist issue!!

I don't see any President getting a line item veto. Clinton had it for a short while, but then the SC trumped it.

There's still talk of an amendement to grant line item veto, but no action that I know of. There's a bill in Congress now that would grant a 6 year line item veto power.

I think the only way that bills are going to get cleaned up is either to give the President line item veto power to clean out pork, or (in my mind a better solution) an amendment or law that Congress must only submit "clean" bills (no riders or pork). Having to submit open bills for the pork barrel instead of hiding it in riders on other bills would really open the public's eyes to what their friendly neighborhood Congresscritter is REALLY doing over in DC...
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