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QuoteWhy should the average U.S.citizen care about what happens to and with the government of Israel.
This is an honest question with no hidden agenda just figure someone out there knows.
Okay, fair enough question. After all we had a lot to do with the founding and continued survival of Israel. I'm even willing to admit we helped establish the Israeli state after our miserable failure to do more to stop, or at least attack the Holocaust before and during WWII (questions like why didn't we bomb Auschwitz when even the inmates wanted us to, etc.). Maybe the West was guilt tripping, mixed in with strategic considerations of the Cold War that was just beginning to shape up.
But that's all past now. What are we going to do now ? Desert Israel, the ONLY democracy in the Middle East, to a bunch of Arabs who don't appreciate democracy and never will ? Hand the place over to fucking al Qaeda and the Wahabi Muslims ? Stand by and watch the Arabs deprt and murder more Jews by the millions, while we lose a real ally and watch the Palestinians turn a productive state into another Islamic shithole ? I think not.
I used to take a harder line about the "excesses" of the Israeli state. Which is not to say they don't have some problems of their own that could use some attention, but first their neighbors can just give it a fucking rest and try and get along with them for a change. And until they do, Israel can have a blank check as far as I'm concerned and I won't ask too many hard questions of them. Because they're our FRIENDS. We don't have to worry about Israelis hijacking planes and flying them into skyscrapers full of people, now DO we ?????????
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Regarding all these points, would anyone be able to explain why Jews have been so disliked and discriminated against through the centuries?
It seems to go all the way back to biblical times.
Stereotype explanations don't really seem to explain it all - I've often wondered about this.
So I'd appreciate if anyone would be able to explain why.
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
It seems to go all the way back to biblical times.
Stereotype explanations don't really seem to explain it all - I've often wondered about this.
So I'd appreciate if anyone would be able to explain why.
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
QuoteRegarding all these points, would anyone be able to explain why Jews have been so disliked and discriminated against through the centuries?
It seems to go all the way back to biblical times.
Stereotype explanations don't really seem to explain it all - I've often wondered about this.
So I'd appreciate if anyone would be able to explain why.
It is because both Muslims and Christians accept Jesus as their prophet and savior.
It seems each religion, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have the same people they worshipped, but then had an addition of their own.
QuoteRegarding all these points, would anyone be able to explain why Jews have been so disliked and discriminated against through the centuries?
It seems to go all the way back to biblical times.
Stereotype explanations don't really seem to explain it all - I've often wondered about this.
So I'd appreciate if anyone would be able to explain why.
Fear of someone/something different. Same reason that gypsies/Roma are still persecuted and are only now beginning to gain acceptance. People fear what they do not understand, and they do not want to understand what they fear.
falxori 0
QuotePeople fear what they do not understand, and they do not want to understand what they fear.
one of the smartest ways to summerize a long story into a short sentence...
"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."
In reply to Kris and Randall's posts; thats fair enough. In its extreme it could be seen that Jews are one of most disliked races throughout history. This is certainly not my opinion - but through history I can't think of a more persecuted race.
Why?
Because they're different?
Why are they different? We're all different!
From living and travelling around Europe over the years I've always been fascinated with the different nations opinions of what characteristics other nations had! But these opinions vary - not all nations think little of one particular nation(well, perhaps France
) so why then do so many dislike Jews - is it as simple as to peoples dislike of the Romanies?
I'm sure there is more to it than this - religion. That must play a significant role.
I can understand why people may dislike gypsies.
I can't understand why the Nazi's decided to exterminate an entire race.
Does Judas have anything to do with all this????
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
Why?
Because they're different?
Why are they different? We're all different!
From living and travelling around Europe over the years I've always been fascinated with the different nations opinions of what characteristics other nations had! But these opinions vary - not all nations think little of one particular nation(well, perhaps France
) so why then do so many dislike Jews - is it as simple as to peoples dislike of the Romanies?
I'm sure there is more to it than this - religion. That must play a significant role.
I can understand why people may dislike gypsies.
I can't understand why the Nazi's decided to exterminate an entire race.
Does Judas have anything to do with all this????
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
Honestly, the Nazis picked a scapegoat. Hitler, while insane, was intelligent and knew how to manipulate human nature. The Nazis picked an easily identifiable, numerically significant, section of the population and through a propaganda campaign, encouraged others to blame their problems on that group. It's human nature to want someone else to blame for everything that's gone wrong. The Jews were easy to spot. They didn't celebrate the same holidays as the christians. They went to synagogues, had a different manner of dress and ate different foods in different ways. Hitler did the same thing to the Roma. The Roma were just as easily identifiable, but we don't hear much about that aspect of the holocaust, as there are far fewer Roma and until very recently, it was still socially acceptible to look down on gypsies.
Hitler realized that if you give someone somebody to blame, and then remove the subject of that blame, people will think you're doing something that will help them, and they will support you.
Hitler realized that if you give someone somebody to blame, and then remove the subject of that blame, people will think you're doing something that will help them, and they will support you.
azdiver 0
one very important fact that i have not seen mentioned so far is that most of the isreal military is made up of jewish amaricans that go over there to serve. even some of the people that make up the government are us citizens as well. one of the main resons i can think of why we support isreal is the fact that we wont support a terrorist run govenment hammas and the PLO
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Royd 0
You are right.QuoteRegarding all these points, would anyone be able to explain why Jews have been so disliked and discriminated against through the centuries?
It seems to go all the way back to biblical times.
First, accepting Biblical history as having credence helps a lot.
The reason the Arabs hate the Jews goes back to Abraham. Ishmael, the firstborn but illegitimate son, became the father of the Arab race. He, and his mother were eventually cast out of the household by Abraham.
Isaac, the legitamate son was second born, but received the blessing.He is the father of the Jewish race.
As for the majority of the rest of the world despising the Jews this is only conjecture.
They were the recipients of the Law of God and are a favored people according to the Bible.
Christians shouldn't have a problem with this, but it disturbs many people.
It's really no different than a rich man who gives his favorite child the biggest part of his wealth. Everyone else has a certain amount of resentment toward that person.
Royd 0
If the Muslims accepted Christ as their prophet and savior, they would be Christians.QuoteIt is because both Muslims and Christians accept Jesus as their prophet and savior.
Even though they say that they believe Jesus was a prophet, that's a lie, because disobeying the word of a prophet is a sin. Jesus said "Follow me."
QuoteQuotePeople fear what they do not understand, and they do not want to understand what they fear.
one of the smartest ways to summerize a long story into a short sentence...
The leadership of the churches understand each other. They are, however, competing for the same resources (people, money, power), so there is plenty of incentive to demonize the others.
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteAand that's the only point I'm making with you and Dekker - we can either keep pushing those buttons or just stop it regardless of whether we want to make some self serving point or how bad we think the others are being.
And you do that by doing the exact same thing....funny.
rehmwa 2
QuoteAnd you do that by doing the exact same thing....funny.
Isn't it great?
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opurt 0
Blame the British Empire.
Palestine was partitioned into a Jewish and Arab state, in November, 1947. A few hundred thousands people were displaced during this partition.
India was partitioned into India and Pakistan, in August, 1947. In the Pakistan/India partition, about 15 million people were displaced.
India to this day suffers from terrorist attacks from militant Islamists, in Kashmir, and other areas.
Obviously so does Israel. I suspect that there may be more of a multi-religious, nationalistic element in the anti-Israeli violence. I don't know for sure. Here is a demographic breakdown of the Gaza Strip, and here is a demographic breakdown of the West Bank.
The propaganda from the Islamists is the same - the desire to contain and destroy the infidel state. Hindus really annoy radical islamists as they completely reject all basic Islamic tenets, and are idolators to boot.
To understand who is the aggressor, here is a simple thought experiment: If the Israelis laid down their arms, they would be destroyed. If the Palestinians laid down their arms there would be peace.
Ditto with Islamist terror in south Asia.
There seems to be an element in Islam (Wahabbism) that spawns this radical jihadi philosophy. Somehow it needs to be neutralized. It harms a lot of people.
Of all the many wars going on in the world today, many times, one side is Islamist, the other side is something else.
The rhetoric changes from conflict to conflict - Phillipines, US, Israel, Chechnya, India, etc - but the aggressors remain the same.
Now please understand - I am not impugning regular Muslims or Arab Christians in the least. I don't mean to impugn average Christians when I criticize Fred Phelps. And I don't mean to impugn the average Muslim when I criticize the jihadists.
I have seen that Arabs - Christian and Muslim - and people from other predominantly Muslim states - Persians, etc - tend to hold consistently anti-Israeli sentiments. I'm curious about why that is.
Anyway, just my $0.02.
Palestine was partitioned into a Jewish and Arab state, in November, 1947. A few hundred thousands people were displaced during this partition.
India was partitioned into India and Pakistan, in August, 1947. In the Pakistan/India partition, about 15 million people were displaced.
India to this day suffers from terrorist attacks from militant Islamists, in Kashmir, and other areas.
Obviously so does Israel. I suspect that there may be more of a multi-religious, nationalistic element in the anti-Israeli violence. I don't know for sure. Here is a demographic breakdown of the Gaza Strip, and here is a demographic breakdown of the West Bank.
The propaganda from the Islamists is the same - the desire to contain and destroy the infidel state. Hindus really annoy radical islamists as they completely reject all basic Islamic tenets, and are idolators to boot.
To understand who is the aggressor, here is a simple thought experiment: If the Israelis laid down their arms, they would be destroyed. If the Palestinians laid down their arms there would be peace.
Ditto with Islamist terror in south Asia.
There seems to be an element in Islam (Wahabbism) that spawns this radical jihadi philosophy. Somehow it needs to be neutralized. It harms a lot of people.
Of all the many wars going on in the world today, many times, one side is Islamist, the other side is something else.
The rhetoric changes from conflict to conflict - Phillipines, US, Israel, Chechnya, India, etc - but the aggressors remain the same.
Now please understand - I am not impugning regular Muslims or Arab Christians in the least. I don't mean to impugn average Christians when I criticize Fred Phelps. And I don't mean to impugn the average Muslim when I criticize the jihadists.
I have seen that Arabs - Christian and Muslim - and people from other predominantly Muslim states - Persians, etc - tend to hold consistently anti-Israeli sentiments. I'm curious about why that is.
Anyway, just my $0.02.
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I have seen that Arabs - Christian and Muslim - and people from other predominantly Muslim states - Persians, etc - tend to hold consistently anti-Israeli sentiments. I'm curious about why that is.
Anyway, just my $0.02.
At the risk of being extremely simple: http://www.slate.com/id/1007589
In a nutshell, the Jews helped kill christ.
But if you want to go for the complex: http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Why_Do_People_Hate_The_Jews.htm
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There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner
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There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner
Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell
Hitler was an avowed christian(catholic) who stated that what he was doing was in the name of his lord and saviour (Hesus,druid messiah, predecessor of) jesus christ. all historical FACT.
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wishers never choose, choosers never wish
Aand that's the only point I'm making with you and Dekker - we can either keep pushing those buttons or just stop it regardless of whether we want to make some self serving point or how bad we think the others are being.
I know you get it, so that's pretty good.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
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