This turd's spying goes even deeper

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Ally warned Bush on spying: report
Sat Jul 8, 8:06 PM ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A key Congressional ally of President Bush sent a sharply worded letter to the president in May warning that the administration might have broken the law by failing to inform Congress of some secret intelligence programs, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions.

Peter Hoekstra, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, was clearly referring to programs that have not been publicly revealed, the Times said.
Hoekstra was among those who were briefed on, and supported, the National Security Agency's controversial domestic surveillance program and the Treasury Department's tracking of international banking transactions, the Times said.
"I have learned of some alleged intelligence community activities about which our committee has not been briefed," Hoekstra wrote.
"If these allegations are true, they may represent a breach of responsibility by the administration, a violation of the law, and, just as importantly, a direct affront to me and the members of this committee who have so ardently supported efforts to collect information on our enemies," the Times quoted the letter as saying.
The Times noted that since his appointment as committee chairman in 2004, Hoekstra has been a major White House ally on intelligence matters, supporting controversial policies including the treatment of terrorist suspects.
Intelligence officials have appeared at two closed committee briefings to answer questions from Hoekstra and other members which eased some concerns from the lawmakers about whether the Bush administration is sharing information on all of its intelligence operations, the Times said.
The domestic spying program, which Bush ordered soon after the September 11 attacks, allows the National Security Agency to monitor the international phone calls and e-mails of U.S. citizens without first obtaining warrants if in pursuit of al Qaeda suspects. The program has stirred an outcry among civil-rights groups and lawmakers who believe Bush overstepped his constitutional authority.

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Ally warned Bush on spying: report
Sat Jul 8, 8:06 PM ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A key Congressional ally of President Bush sent a sharply worded letter to the president in May warning that the administration might have broken the law by failing to inform Congress of some secret intelligence programs, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions.

Peter Hoekstra, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, was clearly referring to programs that have not been publicly revealed, the Times said.
Hoekstra was among those who were briefed on, and supported, the National Security Agency's controversial domestic surveillance program and the Treasury Department's tracking of international banking transactions, the Times said.
"I have learned of some alleged intelligence community activities about which our committee has not been briefed," Hoekstra wrote.
"If these allegations are true, they may represent a breach of responsibility by the administration, a violation of the law, and, just as importantly, a direct affront to me and the members of this committee who have so ardently supported efforts to collect information on our enemies," the Times quoted the letter as saying.
The Times noted that since his appointment as committee chairman in 2004, Hoekstra has been a major White House ally on intelligence matters, supporting controversial policies including the treatment of terrorist suspects.
Intelligence officials have appeared at two closed committee briefings to answer questions from Hoekstra and other members which eased some concerns from the lawmakers about whether the Bush administration is sharing information on all of its intelligence operations, the Times said.
The domestic spying program, which Bush ordered soon after the September 11 attacks, allows the National Security Agency to monitor the international phone calls and e-mails of U.S. citizens without first obtaining warrants if in pursuit of al Qaeda suspects. The program has stirred an outcry among civil-rights groups and lawmakers who believe Bush overstepped his constitutional authority.

As soon as I got to the NY Times part of the post I stopped reading it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Attack the source rather than the substance..... no shocker there.

[Channman 2]

Same here, New York Times is no longer a trusted news source. However it's not surprising that this turd of a news paper is relied upon by so many here in SC.

Lucky for me and you we don't buy it. However I will say I saw Peter Hoekstra crying on Fox News, I'm sure our enemies feel comforted to have so many friends in Washington DC.

Edited to add...Lucky just hit post 666, you little Devil you.

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Same here, New York Times is no longer a trusted news source. However it's not surprising that this turd of a news paper is relied upon by so many here in SC.

Lucky for me and you we don't buy it. However I will say I saw Peter Hoekstra crying on Fox News, I'm sure our enemies feel comforted to have so many friends in Washington DC.

Edited to add...Lucky just hit post 666, you little Devil you.

I didn't notice that.... why couldn't it have ocurred on June 6? Dmanit.

As for the source being unreliable, I don't believe it. Every time Fox prints something I could do the same.

With any news source, I think we need to pass it into the BS test: is it believable, is it probable? Yes on both accounts, so in a guarded way I think we can tentatively believe it.

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Attack the source rather than the substance..... no shocker there.

I attacked nothing (unlike many others on this site)
I don't trust the paper and I stated as much so you can go cry to some one that may listen.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Attack the source rather than the substance..... no shocker there.

I attacked nothing (unlike many others on this site)
I don't trust the paper and I stated as much so you can go cry to some one that may listen.......

I think calling it a turd is an attack. Unless your criteria for "attack" is that it must be a physical assault. In which case I think there are very few attacks committed on this site (contradicting your statement about "many others").

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Here's the part of the letter I find most interesting.

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I understand that Mr. Kappes is a capable, well-qualified, and well-liked former Directorate of Operations (DO) case officer. I am heartened by the professional qualities he would bring to the job, but concerned by what could be the political problems that he could bring back to the agency. There has been much public and private speculation about the politicization of the Agency. I am convinced that this politicization was underway well before Porter Goss became the Director. In fact, I have long been convinced that a strong and well-positioned group within the Agency intentionally undermined the Administration and its policies. This argument is supported by the Ambassador Wilson/Valerie Plame events, as well as by the string of unauthorized disclosures from an organization that prides itself with being able to keep secrets. I have come to the belief that, despite his service to the DO, Mr. Kappes may have been a part of this group. I must take note when my Democratic colleagues - those who so vehemently denounced and now publicly attacked the strong choice of Porter Goss as Director - now publicly support Mr. Kappes’s return.

He's saying he believes there is a group within the Agency working against the Administration and that the Valerie Plame was a fabrication by this group.

This is further validated by the Scooter Libby defense lawyers that the entire Plame Affair was "cooked up" by this group within the CIA and that her position with the CIA was more of a Bureaucratic Legacy than a realistic portrayal of her true role at the CIA.

Note also that Hoestra doesn't specify whether he's referring to domestic or foreign programs.

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Attack the source rather than the substance..... no shocker there.

I attacked nothing (unlike many others on this site)
I don't trust the paper and I stated as much so you can go cry to some one that may listen.......

I think calling it a turd is an attack. Unless your criteria for "attack" is that it must be a physical assault. In which case I think there are very few attacks committed on this site (contradicting your statement about "many others").

You got something mixed up as you will not find the word turd in any of my postings!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Channman 2]

>...turd in any of my postings!!

OK, I must confess, it was me that called the New York Times a TURD of a paper.

The TIMES Mag. is a fly magnet as well.

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There was even spying in Colin Powells dept. he resigned.

Spying is not tolerated at any level.

CIS get involved then it could be prison to you.