Slavery reparations gaining momentum

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060710/ap_on_re_us/slavery_reparations_4

If we don't have current slavery reparations, then what do we call Affirmative Action? Ever try to enter grad schools as a white person? Ever try to get a grant as a white person? I was working at a major corp that reimbursed collige tuition when a black co-worker was perplexed at how he could get both the companies money and federal money for reimbursement. Poor guy, I was lucky to have the one, if not I would be paying a loan as I was before I began working there.

Fuckin joke.............

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Affirmative Action is racial discrimination, regardless of how one looks at it. The entire reparations movement is an utter joke. Lazy fucktards wanting something for nothing.

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We call Affirmative Action, . . . um, . . . Affirmative Action.

I have applied for and been given grants, and am white.

I also applied for and received loans (and paid them back).

So I know from personal experience that white people do get grants. I suspect that there is strong evidence that white people do get accepted for graduate school (first clue is all those white people with graduate degrees).

You appear to be angry about many things.

Tell me about your childhood.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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The only reparations they will ever receive will be paid in fired ammunition.

The black caucus( a racial hategroup) is only trying to do this and line their own pockets, ever wonder who is in favor of reparations?, Oprah Winfrey, Spike Lee, Danny Glover, Sen. Obama?

Gee like they all need that money and BTW Obama is in favor of reparations but the funny thing is his family were never slaves nor US Citizens.

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Gee like they all need that money and BTW Obama is in favor of reparations but the funny thing is his family were never slaves nor US Citizens.

Doesn't that kind of go against the argument you are trying to make in your previous sentence? Maybe he just agrees with the concept?

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No, I was merely pointing out he is a signatory unto the reparations legislation and yet he is a member of the black caucus, but he was seen on TV a while back saying:

"Our relatives have paid the price of building this great nation, and now it is time to pay them for their work"

He was standing with the black caucus members outside the capitol

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Affirmative Action is racial discrimination, regardless of how one looks at it. The entire reparations movement is an utter joke. Lazy fucktards wanting something for nothing.

But it's rubberstamped by rich whitey.

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We call Affirmative Action, . . . um, . . . Affirmative Action.

I have applied for and been given grants, and am white.

I also applied for and received loans (and paid them back).

So I know from personal experience that white people do get grants. I suspect that there is strong evidence that white people do get accepted for graduate school (first clue is all those white people with graduate degrees).

You appear to be angry about many things.

Tell me about your childhood.

Don't cheap-out and make this about me, this is about AA.

There are aberations everywhere, but the agenda of AA is to give minorities benefits in the way of jobs and admissions into schools.

Do you recall the U of M case 5 years back when a white female was denied admissions into their law school, she sued saying that minorities were admitted before her with lower LSAT and GPA's. The SCOTUS affirmed the lower courts saying it would stand for 25 years to come. 2 dissented: Scalian and Thomas.

She presented evidence such as perfect SAT's earn 13 points toward admissions versus being a minority yielding 20 points toward admissions.

If you're arguments are too pathetic to argue the issue, don't, but don't revert to childhood arguments. 1st sign of zero ability to argue is referring to the arguer rather than the argument.

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Furthermore, the whole idea that white priv has passed down the family line to us is retarded. Most current whites have never received a bit of white priv.

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Furthermore, the whole idea that white priv has passed down the family line to us is retarded. Most current whites have never received a bit of white priv.

Oh my family has had the privledge of fighting and possibly dying in every war this country has fought.

I wonder, if they do receive reparations how much more will they have to borrow to pay back all those servicemen for their efforts to keep our country free of tyranny?

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We call Affirmative Action, . . . um, . . . Affirmative Action.

I have applied for and been given grants, and am white.

I also applied for and received loans (and paid them back).

So I know from personal experience that white people do get grants. I suspect that there is strong evidence that white people do get accepted for graduate school (first clue is all those white people with graduate degrees).

You appear to be angry about many things.

Tell me about your childhood.

Don't cheap-out and make this about me, this is about AA.

There are aberations everywhere, but the agenda of AA is to give minorities benefits in the way of jobs and admissions into schools.

Do you recall the U of M case 5 years back when a white female was denied admissions into their law school, she sued saying that minorities were admitted before her with lower LSAT and GPA's. The SCOTUS affirmed the lower courts saying it would stand for 25 years to come. 2 dissented: Scalian and Thomas.

She presented evidence such as perfect SAT's earn 13 points toward admissions versus being a minority yielding 20 points toward admissions.

If you're arguments are too pathetic to argue the issue, don't, but don't revert to childhood arguments. 1st sign of zero ability to argue is referring to the arguer rather than the argument.

Your posts are so full of hyperbole and superlatives that is very difficult to respond to them without questioning your manner of thought or the quality of the ideas.

For example, your question about ever having tried to get a grant. The answer was yes, and I was successful, and I am white.

I'm still not aware of exactly what your point was and whether or not my answer in the positive was meaningful or not. Maybe you did not want or expect an answer.

Maybe it is just a matter of communication style.

p.s. - Now it's about AA. I thought it was about reparations.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Furthermore, the whole idea that white priv has passed down the family line to us is retarded. Most current whites have never received a bit of white priv.

Oh my family has had the privledge of fighting and possibly dying in every war this country has fought.

I wonder, if they do receive reparations how much more will they have to borrow to pay back all those servicemen for their efforts to keep our country free of tyranny?

White priv is the money handed down thru families, as I meant it.

We'll just print more money, rendering the dolalr less valuable than it is now.

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We call Affirmative Action, . . . um, . . . Affirmative Action.

I have applied for and been given grants, and am white.

I also applied for and received loans (and paid them back).

So I know from personal experience that white people do get grants. I suspect that there is strong evidence that white people do get accepted for graduate school (first clue is all those white people with graduate degrees).

You appear to be angry about many things.

Tell me about your childhood.

Don't cheap-out and make this about me, this is about AA.

There are aberations everywhere, but the agenda of AA is to give minorities benefits in the way of jobs and admissions into schools.

Do you recall the U of M case 5 years back when a white female was denied admissions into their law school, she sued saying that minorities were admitted before her with lower LSAT and GPA's. The SCOTUS affirmed the lower courts saying it would stand for 25 years to come. 2 dissented: Scalian and Thomas.

She presented evidence such as perfect SAT's earn 13 points toward admissions versus being a minority yielding 20 points toward admissions.

If you're arguments are too pathetic to argue the issue, don't, but don't revert to childhood arguments. 1st sign of zero ability to argue is referring to the arguer rather than the argument.

Your posts are so full of hyperbole and superlatives that is very difficult to respond to them without questioning your manner of thought or the quality of the ideas.

For example, your question about ever having tried to get a grant. The answer was yes, and I was successful, and I am white.

I'm still not aware of exactly what your point was and whether or not my answer in the positive was meaningful or not. Maybe you did not want or expect an answer.

Maybe it is just a matter of communication style.

p.s. - Now it's about AA. I thought it was about reparations.

Can you answer anything w/o spinning it into a pile of shit? You're like a hybrid between a lawyer and psychiatrist.

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Your posts are so full of hyperbole and superlatives that is very difficult to respond to them without questioning your manner of thought or the quality of the ideas.

Just answer, or better yet, just avoid. My motives or anyone's motives are generally irrelivant. The issue, the merit of the argument, not the author. But psychologists/psychiatrists focus on the author, not issue. Ok, we're real proud, you just graduated cum loudly from some university with a psch degree, now answer questions and quit the mind-fuck.

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For example, your question about ever having tried to get a grant. The answer was yes, and I was successful, and I am white.

OK, you are the aberation. Sample size of 1, alrighty then, do you think that represents the general population, if you are even telling the truth?

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I'm still not aware of exactly what your point was and whether or not my answer in the positive was meaningful or not. Maybe you did not want or expect an answer.

Are you looking in a mirror as you tyoe this? Ah, nevermind. My point is that AA is unfair in its current application. I believe there is discrimination present in the US, but to address it by screwing the poor on the other side of the fence hardly addresses it and creates a new class of discrimination.

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Maybe you did not want or expect an answer.

Your psychobable? Uh, no.

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Maybe it is just a matter of communication style.

Quit using your pschobable and address the issue, not the person.

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p.s. - Now it's about AA. I thought it was about reparations

I don't think there is a clear distinction between the two. I realize AA is about affirmitavely ensuring things are fair and reparations are to "repair" for the past. I think AA was rich whitey's way of trying to atone for the past by giving unfair benefit to minorities. Well, it apparently isn't enough according to some people..... never will be....

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I think AA was rich whitey's way of trying to atone for the past by giving unfair benefit to minorities. Well, it apparently isn't enough according to some people..... never will be....

Nor will it ever be enough.

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>>Well, it apparently isn't enough according to some people..... never will be....

>Nor will it ever be enough.

Sounds like you two agree!

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Gee like they all need that money and BTW Obama is in favor of reparations but the funny thing is his family were never slaves nor US Citizens.

I seem to remember a lot of press on the Illinois senate campaign about Obama disagreeing with Keyes about slavery reparations. Do you have any other concrete information about Obama believing in slavery reparations besides "some TV appearance" with the black caucus? I'm not buying it, and there's nothing on his website about slavery reparations.

Brie

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Any wealthy company or family that can trace their prosperity back to slave labor owes the decendents of their slaves a huge chunk of money. Had those slaves been paid a fair wage, their decendents might have had a different life for generations.

Imagine is your ancestors were slaves, not too long ago. Do you honestly think your life would be the same?

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Any wealthy company or family that can trace their prosperity back to slave labor owes the decendents of their slaves a huge chunk of money. Had those slaves been paid a fair wage, their decendents might have had a different life for generations.

Imagine is your ancestors were slaves, not too long ago. Do you honestly think your life would be the same?

Is it your contention they would be better off today if their ancestors had been left in Africa?

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Any wealthy company or family that can trace their prosperity back to slave labor owes the decendents of their slaves a huge chunk of money. Had those slaves been paid a fair wage, their decendents might have had a different life for generations.

Imagine is your ancestors were slaves, not too long ago. Do you honestly think your life would be the same?

Is it your contention they would be better off today if their ancestors had been left in Africa?

Don't put words in my mouth.

Non sequitur. The fact is, they were brought here against their will.

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>>Well, it apparently isn't enough according to some people..... never will be....

>Nor will it ever be enough.

Sounds like you two agree!

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Any wealthy company or family that can trace their prosperity back to slave labor owes the decendents of their slaves a huge chunk of money. Had those slaves been paid a fair wage, their decendents might have had a different life for generations.

Imagine is your ancestors were slaves, not too long ago. Do you honestly think your life would be the same?

With today's laws. maybe. I see what you're saying, but a broad misrepresentation is made that all whiteys made money from slave labor - hardly true.

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Any wealthy company or family that can trace their prosperity back to slave labor owes the decendents of their slaves a huge chunk of money. Had those slaves been paid a fair wage, their decendents might have had a different life for generations.

Imagine is your ancestors were slaves, not too long ago. Do you honestly think your life would be the same?

With today's laws. maybe. I see what you're saying, but a broad misrepresentation is made that all whiteys made money from slave labor - hardly true.

But hardly untrue, either, at least re: the whiteys living in the USA up to 1865, and their descendants. Slave labor benefitted the economies of both the South and the North, including well after the Civil War, since the original economic foundation included slave labor.

Here's an imperfect analogy: During WW2 & before, the IG Farben corporation in Germany was instrumental in benefitting the Nazi government with its products, including for example, the poison Zyklon B gas used in concentration camp gas chambers. IG Farben is technically defunct now, but its economic legacy lives on in its successor companies, such as Bayer and BASF.

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But hardly untrue, either, at least re: the whiteys living in the USA up to 1865, and their descendants. Slave labor benefitted the economies of both the South and the North, including well after the Civil War, since the original economic foundation included slave labor.

Except that only a wealthy minority actually owned the slaves. And the fact that these rich landowners had slaves meant they weren't hiring poor white people to work in their fields. It kept wealth concentrated in the hands of the rich, while many poor people lived in abject poverty. That tended to stagnate the economy, at least for many people.

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I'm not sure I understand what tangible good these "reparations" are supposed to accomplish.

"Reparations" means something's broken, and you're going to repair it. What is going to get fixed, and how?


The thing about requiring companies to publicly reveal their ties with slavery: What would be done with this information?

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I'm not sure I understand what tangible good these "reparations" are supposed to accomplish.

"Reparations" means something's broken, and you're going to repair it. What is going to get fixed, and how?

The thing about requiring companies to publicly reveal their ties with slavery: What would be done with this information?

Actually, in this context, reparations means "restitution". I think their argument technically goes something like this:
If I stole $10,000 worth of your labor (or, for that matter, anything else of value) from you, 20 years later I'd still owe it back to you, plus interest. If you died before I made restitution, I'd owe it to your estate. If both of us died before restitution was made, my estate would owe it to your estate. 200 years later, this principle would still apply, and the debt would still be owed. Of course, this discounts the effect of a statute of limitations which might otherwise make the debt legally uncollectible after several years.
Anyhow, that's technically the way it works.