cloudseeker2001 0 #1 July 17, 2006 So Friday morning I go to Starbucks for coffee. When I open the door I immediately notice a detective who is wearing a Glock pistol in a shoulder holster. I really did not think anything of it at that point in time, other than I have the same rig myself...........But when I went to fix my coffee with cream and sugar, I realize that the pistol is pointed at me, and when I turned around to look, the barrel of the Glock is sticking out between his arm and back about an inch or so, about four feet back. I pointed the gun out to two other people and they thought nothing of it...........So, what do you think? How would you have felt about a gun pointed at you while you were fixing your perfect morning cup of coffee???????? "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #2 July 17, 2006 QuoteSo Friday morning I go to Starbucks for coffee. When I open the door I immediately notice a detective who is wearing a Glock pistol in a shoulder holster. I really did not think anything of it at that point in time, other than I have the same rig myself...........But when I went to fix my coffee with cream and sugar, I realize that the pistol is pointed at me, and when I turned around to look, the barrel of the Glock is sticking out between his arm and back about an inch or so, about four feet back. I pointed the gun out to two other people and they thought nothing of it...........So, what do you think? How would you have felt about a gun pointed at you while you were fixing your perfect morning cup of coffee???????? If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #3 July 17, 2006 You put sugar in coffee?.... Jeezzz. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #4 July 17, 2006 Does that mean that we will now have to offer them a struedel instead of a doughnut not to write us a ticket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #5 July 17, 2006 I think you're in more danger from the asshole who is just pulling out of the Starbucks Drive Thru when you walk out the door....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #6 July 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo Friday morning I go to Starbucks for coffee. When I open the door I immediately notice a detective who is wearing a Glock pistol in a shoulder holster. I really did not think anything of it at that point in time, other than I have the same rig myself...........But when I went to fix my coffee with cream and sugar, I realize that the pistol is pointed at me, and when I turned around to look, the barrel of the Glock is sticking out between his arm and back about an inch or so, about four feet back. I pointed the gun out to two other people and they thought nothing of it...........So, what do you think? How would you have felt about a gun pointed at you while you were fixing your perfect morning cup of coffee???????? If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about. You forgot the ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #7 July 17, 2006 QuoteSo Friday morning I go to Starbucks for coffee. When I open the door I immediately notice a detective who is wearing a Glock pistol in a shoulder holster. I really did not think anything of it at that point in time, other than I have the same rig myself...........But when I went to fix my coffee with cream and sugar, I realize that the pistol is pointed at me, and when I turned around to look, the barrel of the Glock is sticking out between his arm and back about an inch or so, about four feet back. I pointed the gun out to two other people and they thought nothing of it...........So, what do you think? How would you have felt about a gun pointed at you while you were fixing your perfect morning cup of coffee???????? I'd say it was very bad manners on the part of the detective.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #8 July 17, 2006 Did you ever think to actually mention it to the detective? I think you would be suprised that he may be concerned and had not even thought about the fact he was pointing the weapon at everyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #9 July 17, 2006 QuoteDid you ever think to actually mention it to the detective? I think you would be suprised that he may be concerned and had not even thought about the fact he was pointing the weapon at everyone. I was thinking the same thing. I was taught NEVER to have a gun pointed at anyone you didn't intend to shoot. You never know when it may discharge - recall a few years ago (April 2004) a DEA weapons intructor managed to shoot himself in the leg in front of a classroom full of kids by being careless.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #10 July 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteDid you ever think to actually mention it to the detective? I think you would be suprised that he may be concerned and had not even thought about the fact he was pointing the weapon at everyone. I was thinking the same thing. I was taught NEVER to have a gun pointed at anyone you didn't intend to shoot. You never know when it may discharge - recall a few years ago (April 2004) a DEA weapons intructor managed to shoot himself in the leg in front of a classroom full of kids by being careless. _________________________________________ I'm sure, that detective is so used to wearing that weapon and at times, 'forgets he has it on. Kinda like folks carrying a pen in their pocket. They carry it and don't think about it till they need it. Yeah, I know, that pen won't 'go-off'. You know where I'm headed with this. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #11 July 17, 2006 QuoteYou never know when it may discharge - While its in the holster it could magicly fire? That's really a stretch for someone who's all about science and facts.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #12 July 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou never know when it may discharge - While its in the holster it could magicly fire? That's really a stretch for someone who's all about science and facts. Well, no man made device is 100% reliable. Were you taught never to point a weapon at anyone?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #13 July 17, 2006 QuoteWhile its in the holster it could magicly fire? That's really a stretch for someone who's all about science and facts. It's not like it hasn't happened before. As a gun nut and a cop (or soon to be) I figured you would have known that.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #14 July 17, 2006 QuoteWell, no man made device is 100% reliable. Were you taught never to point a weapon at anyone? Sure. And literally just about everyone in the industry will state that the weapon was not being pointed at you since it was in a holster and not being handled. That type of holster is a very very common way of carrying on a shoulder rig. Especially for large frame weapons and smaller people. I'm still laughing at the fact that with that the physics prof has the idea that a weapon secured in a holster that was made for that weapon that the weapon could magically go off. It really makes me wonder how much experience he actually has with firearms and if he actually understands them at all (even though he claims he's for gun ownership and used to shoot). You're not going to get an AD with a modern semi-auto while its in a proper holster (assuming that it is the holster that the weapon was designed for).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #15 July 17, 2006 Quotet's not like it hasn't happened before. As a gun nut and a cop (or soon to be) I figured you would have known that.... Read my last post. A modern semi-auto in a proper holster that was made for that weapon and an AD basically can't happen. Now, take a shortcut on weapon fit or with the type of holster? Sure, but that's not a function of holstering or the weapon, that's the function of someone cutting corners. We all know how cutting corners and firearms go together. What I love about all of this is that all of this bitching is happening and no one happened to talk to the detective. No one asked the detective what kind of holster system was being warn. No one checked to verify that the holster system being used was the proper fit and type for carrying a weapon safely.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #16 July 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteWell, no man made device is 100% reliable. Were you taught never to point a weapon at anyone? Sure. And literally just about everyone in the industry will state that the weapon was not being pointed at you since it was in a holster and not being handled. That type of holster is a very very common way of carrying on a shoulder rig. Especially for large frame weapons and smaller people. I'm still laughing at the fact that with that the physics prof has the idea that a weapon secured in a holster that was made for that weapon that the weapon could magically go off. It really makes me wonder how much experience he actually has with firearms and if he actually understands them at all (even though he claims he's for gun ownership and used to shoot). You're not going to get an AD with a modern semi-auto while its in a proper holster (assuming that it is the holster that the weapon was designed for). "(2)Never point the gun at anything you are not willing to destroy. Self explanatory, since every gun is loaded, pointing the gun at anything risks putting a bullet there." Kennedy, posted 6/13/2006.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #17 July 17, 2006 http://www.thegunzone.com/mos/ad.html That tells me not to trust a gun in a holster. Now I know you will say that there external factors (raid jacket) at play. How do I know that is not the case when the cop is standing at Starbucks and the gun in his holster is pointing at me..... An AD with a holstered gun isn't something that has never happened.....so it really isn't as laughable as you make it out to be....but then you just like going after kallend.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 July 17, 2006 QuoteWhat I love about all of this is that all of this bitching is happening and no one happened to talk to the detective. This incident happened in the past. None of us discussing it have the ability to go back and discus it with the detective. Unless you are privy to a special texan cop time machine...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #19 July 17, 2006 Quotehttp://www.thegunzone.com/mos/ad.html That tells me not to trust a gun in a holster. Now I know you will say that there external factors (raid jacket) at play. How do I know that is not the case when the cop is standing at Starbucks and the gun in his holster is pointing at me..... An AD with a holstered gun isn't something that has never happened.....so it really isn't as laughable as you make it out to be....but then you just like going after kallend.... Another one: www.packing.org/community/general/thread/?thread=14601 Now AggieDave, tell us again how guns in holsters NEVER discharge accidentally. Google finds many more such cases.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #20 July 17, 2006 QuoteThis incident happened in the past. Right, but instead of asking the detective about it then, now there's people bitching about it. Ever since his comments in this thread: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=845919;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25; Even knowing what I have gone through in the past regarding that event, knowing that I lost a friend in that event AND knowing that I had a severe case of PTSD for nearly 3 years after that event, he continued to badger. He continued to make comments AND he continued to turn the screws. Why? It comes about from a history of our previous conversations on this site in which we had disagreements, but did not attack each other. Ever since then, I don't mind showing the head strong prof where he's wrong . Someone who has the ability to carry out a personal attack to that length. Someone who has the ability to know for a fact how something has effected someone and then continue to do what he did deserves absolutely no less.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #21 July 17, 2006 QuoteHow would you have felt about a gun pointed at you while you were fixing your perfect morning cup of coffee???????? You haven't met my wife, have you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #22 July 17, 2006 QuoteNow AggieDave, tell us again how guns in holsters NEVER discharge accidentally. If you're gonna state what I said, actually stat what I said. In a proper holster fit for the weapon in which it was being used, when the weapon is in the holster it won't fire. That's the purpose ot the holster. Now don't do those things and you're being an idiot and asking for an AD. Also, while drawing or reholstering ADs can happen. Every holster involved AD I've ever read about involved a case of holstering, drawing or using an improper holster.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #23 July 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteNow AggieDave, tell us again how guns in holsters NEVER discharge accidentally. If you're gonna state what I said, actually stat what I said. In a proper holster fit for the weapon in which it was being used, when the weapon is in the holster it won't fire. That's the purpose ot the holster. Now don't do those things and you're being an idiot and asking for an AD. Also, while drawing or reholstering ADs can happen. Every holster involved AD I've ever read about involved a case of holstering, drawing or using an improper holster. And a guy sitting in a restaurant with a gun pointing at him knows that the gun is correctly holstered HOW? When DEA firearms instructors shoot themselves in the leg during safety classes and policement shoot themselves in the foot, why would anyone trust an "expert" to have done it right? What were YOU taught about pointing guns at people?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #24 July 17, 2006 QuoteAnd a guy sitting in a restaurant with a gun pointing at him knows that the gun is correctly holstered HOW? By asking. Its that simple.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #25 July 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteThis incident happened in the past. Right, but instead of asking the detective about it then, now there's people bitching about it. Ever since his comments in this thread: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=845919;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25; Even knowing what I have gone through in the past regarding that event, knowing that I lost a friend in that event AND knowing that I had a severe case of PTSD for nearly 3 years after that event, he continued to badger. He continued to make comments AND he continued to turn the screws. Why? It comes about from a history of our previous conversations on this site in which we had disagreements, but did not attack each other. Ever since then, I don't mind showing the head strong prof where he's wrong . Someone who has the ability to carry out a personal attack to that length. Someone who has the ability to know for a fact how something has effected someone and then continue to do what he did deserves absolutely no less. I'd rather be insensitive than have 12 of my students killed as a consequence of incompetence and crass stupidity. The Aggie Bonfire was absolutely deserving of a Darwin Award.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
