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Burning in Britain (Science question)

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Yeah... It's that "time" of year again... "Summer" time (which in Scotland rarely lasts more than two hours 12 seconds including the sumer-time adjustment of 2 hours)

Once again, Iona & my eldest daughter have sunburn. Yet... When they were in Arizona, they didn't burn!:)
Does ANYONE have any idea why they burn in Scotland, but simply tan in Az? Surely it should be the other way around, shouldn't it?

The worst of it is that Iona & Lauren burn in Scotland despite applications of sun cream (SPF 30), yet never used it in AZ!!?

Any thoughts?

Mike.

PS: Just to keep this in SC ( for the more quality posters), Bush should be taken to a Vet (either kind) to be put down.:ph34r:

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It's the heat.

In Arizona the heat and radiation is so oppresive that you simply get the heck out of it as quickly as possible.

When it's cooler, you don't think about burning quite so much and as a result you stay out in the UV a bit more. Heck if it's cloudy you might be fooled into thinking that you don't even need any sunscreen.
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I see a direct correlation between increases in skin cancer in the UK and more restrictive gun laws over the same time period.:P


seriously, it may be because it is so BLAZING hot in Arizona that you are motivated to spend more time indoors. whereas in Scotland you can hang around outdoors for longer periods of time & the sunburn can kinda sneak up on you over the course of the day.

Add to that that in the summer time, the days are significantly longer in Scotland than they are in Arizona. the sun sets at 10 PM or something, right?

so in Scotland you could put on your sunscreen in the AM or even early afternoon & it would wear off long before the sun went down.
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Strangely, we were far more comfortable in Az temperatures of 35-40C than Scotland's 25-29C. There's a lot of truth in the old "It's not the heat, it's the humidity" thing.

As for sun angle, Az sun in May or September is higher than Scotland ANYTIME!

Believe me, we weren't cowering indoors. Today (when Iona & Lauren burned), wasn't unlike a typical day when we were in Az, only it wasn't as "sticky" in Az.

Another thing was that I didn't tan as well as in Az (being a former 'desert-dweller' I can turn black in a day - right before your eyes). This suggests to me that the sun just isn't as strong here.

I wonder if it is a humidity thing - sweat not evaporating here as well as in a desert.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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I wonder if it is a humidity thing - sweat not evaporating here as well as in a desert.



Turn it around as long as you like - that's not something you could blame on Mr. Bush.

It's your islanders' sun god called Ra, no: Lugh.... He doesn't want his kids to go overseas. Perhaps, as the air over there is a little more contaminated than in your country? :o

That would mean: Contaminated air - Kyoto - Bush's No: Blame it on Bush!!! >:(

And there you have it! ;)

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You come to our island and went to Scotland :| What were you thinking! :D



Pub opening hours!!!:D:D:ph34r::ph34r::P

Actually, I'm English (always a handy thing to be when you're out in the "former colonies" and somebody asks if you speak English) living in Scotland. Only I've now spent more than half my life in Scotland, so does that make me Scottish? I did try shouting: Och aye... The Noo... Grrr Grrr... English Bastards... Whaur's Ma Claymore... Braveheart... But it just didn't work. Still English.

So now, when somebody asks me: Whit's an Englishman living in Scotland fer?" I just reply that: "My family has a long history of Colonial Service!":D

Which doesn't answer the sunburn enigma. My boys have "my" skin. Alasdair now looks like a Seminole Indian after an afternoon in the sun!

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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A former girlfriend of mine has told me that she found out she's part Scottish (her mother was adopted & only recently found out she was from a Scottish-American family)

but I still had to explain to her what haggis is. as best I could, because I'm not completely sure myself.


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It would certainly be interesting to discover if there actually is a scientific answer to this - I visited the Dead Sea once and a chap mentioned it's much healthier to sunbathe there, as it's far below sea level and the suns rays have to travel that bit further.

Something to do with how it affects the UVA & UVB rays. Apparantly one is more effective in stimulating the chemical which makes you tan while the more damaging rays are filtered out a bit more.

I wonder....

On the Scottish side, here's the best joke I've ever heard;

A Country Gent walks into a local bar in Scotland. He's typically dressed too - tweads, brogues, that kind of thing. The bar's empty except for an old pisshead propped up on the bar in a drunken stupor. Eyeing him disdainfully the gent orders a whisky. As the bargirl turns to get his drink, he quietly says;

"Tickle your arse with a feather..."
Shocked, she spins round, "I beg your pardon!!??"
He answers, "Oh, I'm just commenting on the particularly awful weather."
Looking a bit confused she accepts his answer and goes off after serving him a whisky.

The old pisshead has now sat up by this time. He pokes a finger in the gents chest,
"Whits aw this aboot arses and feathers?" he asks.
"It's a chat up line!" answers the gent, "When her back is turned say 'tickle your arse with a feather.'
If she's interested she'll turn round and smile - otherwise you cover your tracks by saying 'particularly awful weather.' It's splendid - you should try it some time."

The pisshead rubs his chin, then bangs his fist on the bar.
"What is it now Rab?" asks the bargirl. Pointing a wobbly finger at her he demands,
"Geez a' pint o' lager!"
The bargirls stood right in front of him, pulling his pint. Again, pointing a finger he shouts quickly,
"Shove a feather up yer arse!!"
"You bloody what!?"
"......er....It's fuckin' pissin' doon ootside!"

Anyway, sorry, back to UVA/UVB rays.....:S

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Yeah... It's that "time" of year again... "Summer" time (which in Scotland rarely lasts more than two hours 12 seconds including the sumer-time adjustment of 2 hours)



In Scotland it's freezing despite the sunshine so you don't feel the radiation cooking your skin and stay out in the stuff too long. Getting burnt whilst freezing your peely-wally ass off is definitely part of the Scottish experience.

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The weather Gods are punishing the Scottish for no other reason than being Scottish (or living in Scotland in your case). The weather God overseeing AZ was obviously unaware of who you were but I've put him straight now :D

On a serious note the atmosphere does filter out harmful UV rays .... so the more sky the rays travel through the least harm they do. This means the lower in altitude you are the greater protection you have - aircabin crew receive the equavelent radiation of 80,000 x-rays per year apparently. The atmosphere is also thicker at the equator and thinner at the poles so sunbathing up north could be more harmful.... however the solar beem at the equator is more concentrated and the higher latitudes receive the suns energy over a greater area so it's not as powerful......... how this answers your question I have no ideaB| I suspect the sun rises earlier in Scotland than AZ as well as setting later so you would get more sunshine hours which might account for the sunburn. Did you wear a jumpsuit whilst in AZ that would have protected you? The humidity in Scotland would probably make you want to wear less clothes and expose more skin perhaps.:|

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The weather Gods are punishing the Scottish for no other reason than being Scottish (or living in Scotland in your case). The weather God overseeing AZ was obviously unaware of who you were but I've put him straight now :D



Actually, you've got is completely backwards.

Britain DOES NOT suffer from earthquakes, hurricanes, typhoons, tornados, massive floods, sandstorms, excessive heat, excessive cold, etc... for the simple reason that God is, in fact, Scottish.:)
That's also why Y'All use the "King James Version" of the Bible. Scottish God... Scottish King of Britain sets British Bible. Thus, peace & prosperity is achieved as people throughout the world become more Scottish.:)

Hence, British weather is largely calm, temperate, reasonable, moderate, in control, etc... God, being a Scot, knows better than to $hit on his own doorstep.B|

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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The weather Gods are punishing the Scottish for no other reason than being Scottish (or living in Scotland in your case). The weather God overseeing AZ was obviously unaware of who you were but I've put him straight now :D



Actually, you've got is completely backwards.

Britain DOES NOT suffer from earthquakes, hurricanes, typhoons, tornados, massive floods, sandstorms, excessive heat, excessive cold, etc... for the simple reason that God is, in fact, Scottish.:)
That's also why Y'All use the "King James Version" of the Bible. Scottish God... Scottish King of Britain sets British Bible. Thus, peace & prosperity is achieved as people throughout the world become more Scottish.:)

Hence, British weather is largely calm, temperate, reasonable, moderate, in control, etc... God, being a Scot, knows better than to $hit on his own doorstep.B|

Mike.



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In Scotland it's freezing despite the sunshine so you don't feel the radiation cooking your skin and stay out in the stuff too long. Getting burnt whilst freezing your peely-wally ass off is definitely part of the Scottish experience.



I spent two years in Edinburgh. During my first "summer" over there, I recall going out drinking with some other skydivers. I had on my leather jacket, and was wearing a scarf. They all had short sleeve shirts on. One commented, "We don't wear our jackets during the summer". I thought, "This is summer?" ;):D
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I went on a fishing vacation in Scotland (Skye) in 1968, and they had a five-week drought and all the trout streams had dried up!



It's OOR Oil Troot! Did you have to take all your Dynamite back home?:) or did you try a little Shark-Fishing?

Speaking of sharks, another classic example of God not $hitting on his own doorstep. Y'All have Great White Sharks, Tiger Sharks, stuff that'll have your leg off if Y'All go paddling.

Sharks in Scotland..? Partial to algae and perhaps the occasional shrimp.:)
And as for Haggis... Don't have to explain it. Just have to export it to folk who'll buy it as a delicacy!:ph34r:

Mike.

PS: Real Haggis is delicious - just don't ask about the ingredients.

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"So now, when somebody asks me: Whit's an Englishman living in Scotland fer?"

Stock answer should be...
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Strangely, we were far more comfortable in Az temperatures of 35-40C than Scotland's 25-29C. There's a lot of truth in the old "It's not the heat, it's the humidity" thing.

As for sun angle, Az sun in May or September is higher than Scotland ANYTIME!

Believe me, we weren't cowering indoors. Today (when Iona & Lauren burned), wasn't unlike a typical day when we were in Az, only it wasn't as "sticky" in Az.

Another thing was that I didn't tan as well as in Az (being a former 'desert-dweller' I can turn black in a day - right before your eyes). This suggests to me that the sun just isn't as strong here.

I wonder if it is a humidity thing - sweat not evaporating here as well as in a desert.

Mike.



Then it is settled. You are simply a freak of nature.

Next science question please.;)
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Does ANYONE have any idea why they burn in Scotland, but simply tan in Az? Surely it should be the other way around, shouldn't it?



Perhaps the anticipated Arctic Ozone Hole is already much further along than we think.

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