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Do you ever stop yourself from posting or replying to a post because your worried about who may read it? I mean like the government and such.

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Do you ever stop yourself from posting or replying to a post because your worried about who may read it? I mean like the government and such.

Did you know 26% of the population believes the Govt. is tapping their phones?

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[billvon 2,990]

>Did you know 26% of the population believes the Govt. is tapping their phones?

What's amazing to me is that 74% of the population either have never heard of ECHELON or trust the government (the same one that's lied several times about what they are and aren't doing with phone calls) 100%.

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Do you ever stop yourself from posting or replying to a post because your worried about who may read it? I mean like the government and such.

Never stopped the post but I have added post script salutations to Ashcroft and Gonzales in some heated posts. No knocks on the door yet but I'm sure my name's on some list, probably called "generally harmless editorial writer but smash him if he ever runs for public office"

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>Did you know 26% of the population believes the Govt. is tapping their phones?

What's amazing to me is that 74% of the population either have never heard of ECHELON or trust the government (the same one that's lied several times about what they are and aren't doing with phone calls) 100%.

Got any stats to back that claim up?

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Would this be the Echelon Program you are referring to?

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5150

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More solid info on Echelon

http://www.iwar.org.uk/sigint/resources/stoa/stoa-report.htm


http://cndyorks.gn.apc.org/mhs/

and before you Saffas get all cocky...

http://www.iwar.org.uk/sigint/resources/articles/EchSAsum4.htm

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>Did you know 26% of the population believes the Govt. is tapping their phones?

What's amazing to me is that 74% of the population either have never heard of ECHELON or trust the government (the same one that's lied several times about what they are and aren't doing with phone calls) 100%.

Not just the US, the following countries are part of Echelon. South Africa has its own system.

1 US - Main Partner ((now the NSA – National Security Agency) and provides most of the funding for the operation, maintenance, staffing, upgrades and new hardware worldwide.

2 UK - Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ)

3 Canada - Communications Security Establishment (CSE)

4 Australia - Defence Signals Directorate (DSD)

5 New Zealand - Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB)

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[billvon 2,990]

>Got any stats to back that claim up?

I'm using yours.

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>Got any stats to back that claim up?

I'm using yours.

Can't back it up, huh? No prob. just say so.

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http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1984347;search_string=eschelon;#1984347

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So, why do you keep posting that Clinton spied on everyones phone calls when you proudly state that you don't believe the government spies on everyones phone calls?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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So, why do you keep posting that Clinton spied on everyones phone calls when you proudly state that you don't believe the government spies on everyones phone calls?

Hey. You should stop talking.

People are going to get angry.

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So, why do you keep posting that Clinton spied on everyones phone calls when you proudly state that you don't believe the government spies on everyones phone calls?

The Govt. doesn't listen in on peoples phone calls. It simply mines data based on certain criteria and then puts that information into a data base for further review. The paranoid delusion that each time you make a phone call that there's someone listening in is preposterous.

[billvon 2,990]

>Can't back it up, huh?

Can you back up yours?

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>Can't back it up, huh?

Can you back up yours?

I posted a thread a while back about a poll that was done. I don't have time to go back and find it right now, but my sig. line was a result of it.

Now, can you prove your claim?

[billvon 2,990]

OK, here we go. (I have no doubt of your ability to intentionally misunderstand anything I say, but I figure I'll give it a shot.)

You said "You have to admit that with 26% of the population thinking their phones are being tapped . . ."

To believe that no one is listening to your phone calls, you either have to believe that:

a) Echelon does not exist, or doesn't work well. (Echelon is a program that listens to most of the phone calls on the planet.)

and

b) The government is completely trustworthy, and would never tap your phone without a warrant (even though they have shown to be dishonest about issues concerning phone privacy.)

If you believe that Echelon does not listen to most phone calls, and that the government is completely trustworthy, then I imagine you might think your phone calls are secure (as you seem to.)

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OK, here we go. (I have no doubt of your ability to intentionally misunderstand anything I say, but I figure I'll give it a shot.)

You said "You have to admit that with 26% of the population thinking their phones are being tapped . . ."

To believe that no one is listening to your phone calls, you either have to believe that:

a) Echelon does not exist, or doesn't work well. (Echelon is a program that listens to most of the phone calls on the planet.)

and

b) The government is completely trustworthy, and would never tap your phone without a warrant (even though they have shown to be dishonest about issues concerning phone privacy.)

If you believe that Echelon does not listen to most phone calls, and that the government is completely trustworthy, then I imagine you might think your phone calls are secure (as you seem to.)

Eschelon doesn't listen to the conversation. When I said their phones are being tapped, I meant it as in wiretapping which would indicate the entire conversation is being listened to and recorded.

Please feel free to twist words and spin as usual.

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Please feel free to twist words and spin as usual.

Ditto o DittoHead.....

Personally I feel any such intrusion is an invasion of privacy......especially since the perpetrators in the administration can set what ever filter they like... for what ever political purpose they deem neccessary to retaining power in their hands. But I am sure you can spin that to be a good thing for your buddies in power who are screwing over our country for political and financial gain....Right Karl???
Had lunch with any of the K Street boys recentl;y??

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OK, here we go. (I have no doubt of your ability to intentionally misunderstand anything I say, but I figure I'll give it a shot.)

You said "You have to admit that with 26% of the population thinking their phones are being tapped . . ."

To believe that no one is listening to your phone calls, you either have to believe that:

a) Echelon does not exist, or doesn't work well. (Echelon is a program that listens to most of the phone calls on the planet.)

and

b) The government is completely trustworthy, and would never tap your phone without a warrant (even though they have shown to be dishonest about issues concerning phone privacy.)

If you believe that Echelon does not listen to most phone calls, and that the government is completely trustworthy, then I imagine you might think your phone calls are secure (as you seem to.)

Eschelon doesn't listen to the conversation. When I said their phones are being tapped, I meant it as in wiretapping which would indicate the entire conversation is being listened to and recorded.

Please feel free to twist words and spin as usual.

You have NO IDEA what the government is doing. All you know is what has been leaked SO FAR. And they bitch about each leak.

This administration cannot be trusted, and anyone that trusts it is a fool.

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You have NO IDEA what the government is doing. All you know is what has been leaked SO FAR. And they bitch about each leak.

This administration cannot be trusted, and anyone that trusts it is a fool.

When they get busted they either try to retroactively change the laws, intimidate the leaker /publisher or they just say "oh yea, sorry about that. Won't happen again, we promise".
Case in point.

CALIFORNIA
Terror database tracks UC protests
U.S. agent reported on '05 rallies against military recruitment
- Demian Bulwa, Chronicle Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 19, 2006

A federal Department of Homeland Security agent passed along information about student protests against military recruiters at UC Berkeley and UC Santa Cruz, landing the demonstrations on a database tracking foreign terrorism, according to government documents released Tuesday.

The documents were released by the American Civil Liberties Union, which filed a Freedom of Information Act request on behalf of student groups that protested against recruiters who visited their campuses in April 2005.

The students were angry when they turned up in the database of a Pentagon program called Threat and Local Observation Notice, or TALON, which the government started in 2003 as a way to collect data that could help stop terrorist attacks. Officials have acknowledged that the reports on protests should not have been included.

In the Santa Cruz and Berkeley reports, the source of information was listed as an agent for Homeland Security's Federal Protective Service. The reports were filed by the 902nd Military Intelligence Group, the Army's largest counterespionage unit.

"This raises questions about whether the Department of Homeland Security tasked somebody to gather information about anti-war activities," said Mark Schlosberg, police practices policy director for the ACLU's Northern California office.

Dennis O'Connor, a spokesman for the Federal Protective Service, said his agency protects 9,000 federal sites. Agents disseminate publicly available information about protests, he said, but do not investigate them or their organizers, spy on them or try to hinder them. He said he did not know how the information ended up in the terror database.

"If we're not aware of what's going on around us, we can't do our job effectively," he said. "Even if a protest is going to be peaceful, we have to be aware of it."

The reports say the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force in San Francisco had been briefed on the protests. FBI spokeswoman LaRae Quy said the agency had taken no action related to the protests.

The report on the Berkeley protest said the Homeland Security agent received an e-mail on April 18, 2005, announcing a "counter-recruitment" and civil disobedience action three days later, when recruiters would be at a career fair. In a section titled "Agent Notes," the report states, "There is a strong potential for a confrontation at this protest given the strong support for anti-war protests and movements in the past."

NBC News revealed the database in December. The Pentagon acknowledged that the protest reports should not have been included in the database, which now has more than 13,000 entries.

The reports "have been removed," Pentagon spokesman Greg Hicks said Tuesday.

Schlosberg said the ACLU is seeking further information. In the documents released Tuesday, the government blacked out the source of the e-mails to the Homeland Security agent.

E-mail Demian Bulwa at dbulwa@sfchronicle.com.

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[billvon 2,990]

>Eschelon doesn't listen to the conversation.

OK, then. I'll put you in the 74% of people who doesn't know how Echelon works.

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>Eschelon doesn't listen to the conversation.

OK, then. I'll put you in the 74% of people who doesn't know how Echelon works.

You know, Bill arguing with you when you just make stuff up gets really tiring.

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ECHELON is a term associated with a global network of computers that automatically search through millions of intercepted messages for pre-programmed keywords or fax, telex and e-mail addresses. Every word of every message in the frequencies and channels selected at a station is automatically searched. The processors in the network are known as the ECHELON Dictionaries. ECHELON connects all these computers and allows the individual stations to function as distributed elements an integrated system. An ECHELON station's Dictionary contains not only its parent agency's chosen keywords, but also lists for each of the other four agencies in the UKUSA system [NSA, GCHQ, DSD, GCSB and CSE]

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm

Please show me where it states Echelon listens to conversations as in wiretapping.