billvon 3,036 #326 August 10, 2006 >What if he posts attachments of the pages instead of url's? Attachaments are fascissm, plane and simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #327 August 10, 2006 QuoteAttachaments are fascissm, plane and simple. How about Attachments instead... I will be the judge of the correct spelling of fascism.. And the correct context for plane...plain as well... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #328 August 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteAttachaments are fascissm, plane and simple. How about Attachments instead... I will be the judge of the correct spelling of fascism.. And the correct context for plane...plain as well... Bwahahaha....LadyInRed, that's the most entertaining post I've read since ages BillVon caught in the act, red-handed ...wiping away tears from my eyes....ROF laughing MAO... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #329 August 10, 2006 QuoteAttachaments are fascissm, plane and simple. You are correct. It is irrefutably so. All they can do is continue denying the truth. Attachments are pure evil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #330 August 10, 2006 Here are the Urls for all christian fascists- www.truthbeknown.com www.christianism.com www.jordanmaxwell.com www.infidelguy.com [/url]www.freethoughtmedia.com www.tbknews.blogspot.com hermes-press.com[url] JESUS NEVER EXISTED, you cannot prove this statement false-all you can do is deny the truthwe are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #331 August 10, 2006 Did someone from the church touch you in a special way or something?Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #332 August 10, 2006 QuoteHere are the Urls for all christian fascists- www.truthbeknown.com www.christianism.com www.jordanmaxwell.com www.infidelguy.com [/url]www.freethoughtmedia.com www.tbknews.blogspot.com hermes-press.com[url] JESUS NEVER EXISTED, you cannot prove this statement false-all you can do is deny the truth Right on cue man! Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #333 August 10, 2006 Thank you. How do I deserve this? You know, reading all of this stuff means spending precious time of my life for that tread, right? Will I get it back in heaven? HJ, are you living in .htm's? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #334 August 10, 2006 QuoteJESUS NEVER EXISTED, you cannot prove this statement false Well, actually I have a picture of him sitting in my backyard, so the statement is now proven false. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #335 August 10, 2006 Jeeee did he join a Satanic Cult.... from the looks of the rest of the crowd.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #336 August 10, 2006 Someone's about to burst out of her corset! lol It must be God's will... .Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #337 August 10, 2006 QuoteJeeee did he join a Satanic Cult.... from the looks of the rest of the crowd.... He started the satanic cult. Funny how the bible conveniently omits certain things, like Jesus's horns and his appetite for booze and satanic women... Oh and his little anger management problem - you should have seen him beat the crap out of Satan's lapdog. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #338 August 10, 2006 QuoteSomeone's about to burst out of her corset! lol It must be God's will... . Yeah, I'm guessing that's why Jesus looks so excited in that picture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #339 August 10, 2006 I was pretty excited as well. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #340 August 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteGod is incapable of doing evil. It isn't in his nature. Bullshit, I've clearly shown that he is more then capable of evil, to the point that one might actually think that he is pure evil..... So you dont consider the massacre of over 2 million people whos deaths in the bible can be attributed directly to god, as evil!!!!!!!!!!! God’s anger is always righteous because he judges the heart. That sounds unreasonable to most because they are unaware of their sin and it’s exceedingly sinfulness towards a completely holy, just, infinite, and perfect God. All who are guilty of lying, stealing, committing adultery (looking with lust), blaspheming, hating (murder), committing idolatry, dishonoring parents, etc. will be judged. That includes every born again Christian. The only difference between the judgment in the Old Testament and now is that your judgment has been graciously delayed. You are guilty and will stand before the Judge. You are guilty because of willful disobedience of God’s moral law. If you go to hell, it will be because you sent yourself there. The punishment will be completely justified and you will have no excuse. Until you are born again (repent or turn away from your sin and trust in Jesus as your Savior becoming a new creature in Christ and make every effort to live according to His Word), you are not considered a child of God. In fact, the Bible makes it clear that you are a child of wrath who is storing up wrath for yourself on the Day of Judgment. All this argument over religion is ridiculous. We all better forget about all the formalities of religion, whether we think we can account for our own lawlessness, and whether we think we are good enough to put ourselves right with God. Forget about religion! Study your conscience! Do you not get tired of having to constantly make up excuses for your god?----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #341 August 11, 2006 Paj and MB, please explain why your god is not evil, in your words not using endles quotes and scriptures from the bible.... Per definition, something that causes evil has to be evil itself. No good, moral person would purposefully cause evil acts to be committed. The God of the bible causes so many evil atrocities it is amazing to me that anyone could worship him. The most blatant example of this is hell. Imagine a father were to tell his son that by the time he is twelve, he must decide whether or not to love his dad. The father says the child is free to choose whatever he wants, but if he chooses to not love his father, then the father will put his son in the oven and cook him. What sort of freedom of choice is this? I don’t think it is any choice. Surely a man who did this would be considered one of the most insane, sick, twisted, and evil person you could meet. He would be thrown in prison for child abuse, neglect, and infanticide. Even the criminals in prison would look down on this child murderer, most likely taking out revenge in the child’s name. How ironic is it then that when God does this, we worship him, say “God is Love”, and build churches in his honor----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #342 August 11, 2006 QuoteThe father says the child is free to choose whatever he wants, but if he chooses to not love his father, then the father will put his son in the oven and cook him. What sort of freedom of choice is this? None at all. You've completely misrepresented it. OK this is my last post in this thread. I'm tired of the twisted, distorted, straw man argument about Christianity. What's the point of arguing to defend something that is a complete distortion of what you actually believe?? edited to add: for those who believe that it IS accurate, it would explain a lot about your reasoning. as for those who would like to know why it ISN'T a distortion, I've already answered that in previous posts, mostly in other threads. And with references to other authors who explain this stuff better than you could on an internet forum. Nevertheless, the explanations & references I've given have been ignored & some people revert back to the same old "straw -man" simplistic distortions in order to construct their case. As CS Lewis pointed out, when people wish to attack Christianity, they first set up a version of it suitable for a 5-year-old, and then use that as the object of their attack. I'm definitely not a fundamentalist BTW, & have argued against it myself in previous posts. But as for Christian belief itself, it's not surprising that you should disbelieve it & deride it, if you first set up such a distorted version of it. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,076 #343 August 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe father says the child is free to choose whatever he wants, but if he chooses to not love his father, then the father will put his son in the oven and cook him. What sort of freedom of choice is this? None at all. You've completely misrepresented it. OK this is my last post in this thread. I'm tired of the twisted, distorted, straw man argument about Christianity. What's the point of arguing to defend something that is a complete distortion of what you actually believe?? Seems like a perfect illustration of the Christian position to me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #344 August 11, 2006 QuoteYou certainly can't use the script as evidence that the script is true. So it is with the bible, you can't verify it against anything else because the writers, actors and stages are long since gone. All external reference has vanished and all you have is a copy of a translation of an edited version of the script. From that, you can't tell what it was meant to be. Ah, BUT-- if you knew that the script related historical fact, the script would be trustworthy. Christianity's critics, especially in the past 50 years, have revised history and distorted facts and downplayed the archeological and textual discoveries/evidence, that skeptics and atheists (who frankly want to remain in the dark and want the bible and Christianity to be disproven) think they have good reason for their skepticism. All external evidence and reference has NOT vanished... this is simply not true. QuoteIn Reply To: You have a lot of confidence in yourself to think yourself capable of understanding God without His help. I don't understand god. The bible is utter gibberish and the entire concept makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. No matter which way I look at it, it just doesn't add up. That's why I don't believe any of it. And Calculus makes no sense to me; but that doesn't make it untrue. If I really wanted to understand it and got my college Math-teaching friend to tutor me, it might start to make sense. There's a bit of truth to the old saying that God will help those who help themselves. (A true conservative must have come up with that ) Seeking truth isn't just a mental exercise-- there's a spiritual aspect to it, in that God will enlighten a mind and a will that search for truth about Him and the way He chose to reveal Himself to us--- in nature and in the bible and, especially, through Christ whom He sent into the world.Blue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #345 August 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe father says the child is free to choose whatever he wants, but if he chooses to not love his father, then the father will put his son in the oven and cook him. What sort of freedom of choice is this? None at all. You've completely misrepresented it. OK this is my last post in this thread. I'm tired of the twisted, distorted, straw man argument about Christianity. What's the point of arguing to defend something that is a complete distortion of what you actually believe?? How is it misrepresented??? please clarify???? I thought it was extremely accurate representation of the christian god.----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #346 August 11, 2006 Quote And Calculus makes no sense to me; but that doesn't make it untrue Mockingbird you really just don’t seem capable of understanding some very basic concepts here. Whether or not you understand Calculus is irrelevant. I can prove to you that that calculus is real and works, an example in which calculus could be used would be finding the acceleration and velocity of a free-falling body at a particular moment. The difference here is, if I were to say to you the whole god, bible thing makes no sense to me, can you please show me some evidence of how it all works, you simple would be unable to.----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,036 #347 August 11, 2006 > I can prove to you that that calculus is real and works . . . Use calculus to prove that you should help a child you find lost in the city. Can you do it? Let's see the proof. Using rigorous logic on the bible makes as much sense as basing your morals on calculus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #348 August 11, 2006 QuoteBullshit, I've clearly shown that he is more then capable of evil, to the point that one might actually think that he is pure evil..... So you dont consider the massacre of over 2 million people whos deaths in the bible can be attributed directly to god, as evil!!!!!!!!!!! MB when will you realise that you are fighting a loosing battle? maybe 100 years ago you could still convince people that your god is real, but not now... people are to educated.... You're erring by trying to judge God by your own shortsighted standards. When I say that God is incapable of doing evil, I mean that God's nature is just and righteous (have you ever had "righteous indignation"?) and therefore any action which might seem to us to be evil, CANNOT be evil--- the problem is with our perspective. Believe me, I understand your quandary. The difference is that I am certain of God's moral perfection; so I form my opinions of the things He does based on the certainty of His moral perfection. Because He is a just God, He is justified in whatever He does. QuoteMB when will you realise that you are fighting a loosing battle? maybe 100 years ago you could still convince people that your god is real, but not now... people are to educated.... Education has nothing to do with it. And I don't need to convince people; the Holy Spirit is the one who convinces. I just respond to them; when they ask or when they misrepresent scripture I feel an obligation.Blue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #349 August 11, 2006 Job is perhaps one of the best examples of the biblical god’s evil. Here, he has a faithful servant, who had not sinned, feared God (who wouldn’t?), and avoided evil. Job had a number of sons and daughters, thousands of sheep, camels, oxen, asses, and also had a large home. He even went so far as to offer sacrifices to God after feasts, just in case one of his sons had ever sinned (Job 1: 1-5). It seems unlikely to me that you would find a man in the Old Testament who loved God more than Job. So what was his reward? Did God multiply Job’s household and give him everything a man of great faith would require? Did God make his seed the rulers of great kingdoms? No. Quite the opposite, in fact. There came a time when Satan and the “…sons of God…” came to before the Lord. God asks Satan where he has been (wait…isn’t God omniscient?), and Satan says he has been walking around the earth. God asks Satan if he has “…considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and upright man…” Satan says that he has met Job, and that he only loves God because he has so many great things and has been blessed so much. The Devil tells God that if God were to “…put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath…” that Job would curse God to his face (wait again…I thought no man has seen God face to face? John 1: 18, Exodus 33: 10, 1 John 4: 12). Basically, if God messes with Job’s stuff, Satan says, Job would hate God. The Lord already knows the answer (remember that whole omniscience thing), but for some reason decides he needs to basically destroy Job’s life through suffering, pain, ruin, and destruction in order to show Satan he is wrong. God knows Job would repent and come back to God after cursing him, but it’s not enough to know this. Instead, he has to prove Satan wrong, no matter what the cost. Sounds like pride to me when you can’t just be satisfied knowing you’re wrong, but have to be able to say, “Told you so!” Wasn’t pride the reason Satan became a fallen angel and was cast into Hell? Quick question here in case you have confusion as to who’s at fault here. Who’s responsible for a murder? A robot, or the scientist who created the robot and programmed it to kill? Remember, God made Satan and saw all the things he would do. In the first chapter of Job, God lets Satan go and mess up Job’s life a little bit, with the stipulation that he does not harm Job physically. First, every one of Job’s servants that watch his oxen, save for one, is slain. Secondly, great fire burns up all his thousands of sheep and the servants that watch them as well, save one. Next, his camels and servants that watch the camels are all slain, save for one. Ouch. Oh wait, to top it off a building collapses, killing all of his sons. This all happens on the first day that Satan is messing with Job, per God’s orders, remember. What does Job do? He shaves his head, and falls down and praises the Lord. (Job 1: 14-22) So the next time that Satan and the “…sons of God…” come to see the Lord, God again asks Satan where he has been (anyone else beginning to be confused about God’s omniscience?), and Satan says he has been traveling the world. God asks Satan about Job again, and Satan says (paraphrasing Job 2: 4-5), “Yeah, yeah. So you took what he had. A man will give everything he has for his life. If you torture him physically though, he’ll curse you.” God, again knowing what will happen, still tells Satan to go out and do what he will with Job, short of killing him. So Satan goes and infects Job with horrendous boils from the top of his head to the sole of his feet. At this point, even Job’s wife realizes how horrible God is being to Job, and says, “…curse God, and die.” (Job 2: 9). It’s understandable that she would be a little upset with Job, as his worship of this God has caused the death of her children. Job suffers for a long time, and his friends come to his house and the rest of the story is about Job suffering, and debating with his friends about God and his purposes. In the end, Job never curses God, and God gives the things back to Job twofold. So what is the moral of the story? That if you are faithful, God will double what you have. Oh, and if you’re faithful, God will destroy one of your homes, kill your children, kill your animals, kill your servants, and strike you with sores and boils from head to toe, so he can tell Satan, “Told you so!” MB your god is evil, you simply cannot deny it...... why do you continue to make excuses for him and worse continue to worship him----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #350 August 11, 2006 QuoteAs CS Lewis pointed out, when people wish to attack Christianity, they first set up a version of it suitable for a 5-year-old, and then use that as the object of their attack. Sorta' like satan did: "Hath God said????"Blue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
