nanook 1 #51 July 28, 2006 QuoteThen they have most likely violated the law Looks like they had. Hmmm. . .I wonder if there is an antenna system that could be shaped like a pink flamingo._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #52 July 28, 2006 QuoteBut, what about the truly poor that can only afford to live in a single area? Are we going to let the rich council members of the homeowner's association restrict their speech? Well, if they're truly poor, then they're likely receiving some sort of aid from our federal government... in which case they should be required to hang an American flag outside of their residence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #53 July 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotePart of paying the Homeowner Association fees is micromanaging your neighbors. If you want to live in such a place then you should be able to. Let the market not the government decide what is appropriate. It IS ironic that a conservative Republican administration would promote governmental control over a private activity instead of letting the marketplace decide. But of course it's only about the Flag, not about any of the other (former) rights. Feels so good. Remember, it's an election year. Unfortunatly it isn't ironic with this adminstration. Other than the Religous Right and Megabussiness, its hard to find many ways that this administration has advanced any classic conservative platforms: -smaller government -less spending -domestic investment -less government intrussion At some point this adiminstration crossed the line from Republicans to Fascists. QuoteAt some point this adiminstration crossed the line from Republicans to Fascists. That wouldbe during the Reagan years forward. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #54 July 28, 2006 QuoteQuote I think the law doesn't go far enough - it should prohibit homeowners' associations from enacting bans (which contractually the individual is obligated to comply with) on any activity if that activity is otherwise protected by the First Amendment. (Heck, I might even be willing to include the Second Amendment in that, too!) Welcome to Stepford. Bend over and cough. I have to disagree completely. If you don't want to live in a HOA, don't. No one is forcing you to. It irritates the crap out of me when people do things of their own free will then complain about it. To me, its just like the morons in the military that get all bent when they get sent to war. Don't fucking join if you are not going to like the consequenses. I live in an HOA because I want to. It _does_ protect my property values and there may be some houses in need of some repairs and some dead lawns and some driveways full of oil, but there are no Sanford & Son looking crack houses and that is how I like it. What if you live there under certain rule and then they change the rules? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #55 July 28, 2006 QuoteTry buying a new house in any California suburb. You're going to be stuck with an association. to answer a question posted further up the thread, yes, when you buy a house in an area controlled by an association you agree to their standards and promise to abide by them. They can do all kinds of nasty things to you if you don't, like crazy fines, and even foreclosing on your home. My parents live in a great association. The association dues go to maintenance on the clubhouse, pool, and gym, and architectural improvements and new paint must be approved by their committee and two of your neighbors. Beyond that, unless someone's yard has gone to weed, there's awful oil stains on the driveway, or there's a broken down car parked on your lawn, they pretty much leave you alone. They do things that keep property values high, and let you live your life otherwise. Some of my friends live in awful associations. I've seen association inspectors trample through flower beds and gardens to make sure that overhead trees were no less than four feet from the roof, and writing up a citation when he didn't think they were far enough away. Amusingly, there wasn't anything at all in the association regulations about four feet distances between roofs and trees. These people walk around with clipboards twice a week writing people up for really stupid stuff. I guess they're a bunch of really bored people with nothing better to do, but they're damned annoying. Typical right-wing hysteria is what drives HOA's. THEY"RE OUT TO GET US!!!! Paranoia. Around here, the trend is to buy into an older neighborhood w/o and HOA and use city ordinance to keep the scumbags clean. There's always that one house, but if the neighbors get on them they can keep it together. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #56 July 28, 2006 Again, do you support the burning of the flag? If so, shouldn't you support someone wanting to fly one? Yes and yes, just don't make me look at it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #57 July 28, 2006 Quote>Why is Congress even spending time and money on this sort of thing? Because it's an election year. Expect other bills along this line, like a bill to protect children from predators or a bill to help stray kittens and puppies. Feel-good legislation helps both sides escape the bad image they have created for themselves. Right, we need the Libertarians to sail in during the 11th hour to espouse their majic wand approach to health care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #58 July 28, 2006 Who's got the 50k to drive that though the federal court system? That's how cracker-Jack jurisdictions get away with things for so long, they draft the legislation knowing it will be years before anyone challenges it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #59 July 28, 2006 QuoteQuote-smaller government -less spending -domestic investment -less government intrussion At some point this adiminstration crossed the line from Republicans to Fascists. I'll correct that. They crossed the line from Republican to Democrat - I can't tell the difference any more. Republicans = huge: debts, out of control spending, mass control, invasions of privacy, etc... DEms = social support for the poor, balanced budgets, lowering the debt, deficit supluses I see HUGE differences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #60 July 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI have to disagree completely. What can I say? I've raised this rant before, and there's usually a homeowner who feels the way you do who responds...the way you did. Not saying you're wrong, it's just different strokes for different folks. FWIW, when we we home-shopping before we bought our current house some years ago, we did exactly what you said - made a point of avoiding the developments with homeowners' associations and restrictive covenants on the deeds. To each his own, I guess. Because you have a different point of view, let me pose a similar scenario to you. How would you feel as a homeowner who is not a part of an association if a law was passed that said you cannot display a flag on a flagpole on your property? The Bill of Rights protects the People from the Government (well, it used to, anyway). It does not protect people from their own decisions on where to live and which contracts to sign, from rules made by their employers, etc. I find it truly remarkable that so many people fail to grasp this concept. I agree with most of that, but the employer thing doesn't totally qualify in that context. BOR = 1st 10 amendments. It may be more under the 14th, but employer protections comes from the Constitution, especially via federal laws that reference the 14th. So BOR's, probably, but the Constitution, nah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #61 July 29, 2006 QuoteOhh I understand the thought process. But, I would have thought that in a country that raves about freedom, they would be in favour of letting market forces dictate these types of things. Surely there are more urgent matters in the US to address by your legislature? I am not 100% familiar with US HOA, but I am assuming that by-laws can be amended with majority votes? If you were familiar, I think you'd be adamantly against them. HOA's often take a supermajority and sometimes 75% to change bylaws. In some states they can, or at least recently could unilatterally post a judgment against a resodent in an HOA and then force a lein sale without ever entering a court to decide upon the original debt/violation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #62 July 29, 2006 -If God's on our side, how come he put all the oil under the people that hate us? The oil was there long before the hate was. I guess we could flip the question: Why did we start developing a mutual hate relationship with the people who hate us since they have the oil? Actually we are just using their oil first, we have a huge reserve under Colorado, but it would destroy the ecology if we access it. The reason we are so against those countries getting nukes is that when their oil runs out they might get nasty, amongst other reasons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red_Skydiver 0 #63 July 29, 2006 Out of interest are there any restrictions on flying a foreign national flag in the USA? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #64 July 29, 2006 Apparently in New Jersey they must be accompanied by a US flag of equal or greater size.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red_Skydiver 0 #65 July 29, 2006 QuoteApparently in New Jersey they must be accompanied by a US flag of equal or greater size. Isn't that racism? Do you know the reasoning behind that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #66 July 31, 2006 (what each party claims of the other - both are correct) = huge: debts, out of control spending, mass control, invasions of privacy, etc... (what each claims they are - both are lying through their teeth) = social balance and other 'good stuff', balanced budgets, lowering the debt, deficit supluses At least you are only drinking and serving one flavor of cool aid..... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #67 July 31, 2006 >Apparently in New Jersey they must be accompanied by a US flag of equal or greater size. Hmm. My neighbor is italian; he's been flying the italian flag for a few weeks now (ever since the World Cup.) Guess it's a good thing he doesn't live in NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #68 August 1, 2006 Quote(what each party claims of the other - both are correct) = huge: debts, out of control spending, mass control, invasions of privacy, etc... (what each claims they are - both are lying through their teeth) = social balance and other 'good stuff', balanced budgets, lowering the debt, deficit supluses At least you are only drinking and serving one flavor of cool aid..... So tell me about the recent Democratic debts/deficits? HMMMMMMMMMMMM, I think not. Granted, we've only had 1 Dem pres in the last 26 years, but that guy was the one who raised taxes for the rich and made life oh so much better for the masses. QuoteAt least you are only drinking and serving one flavor of cool aid.... Let's all have a drink of your Libertarian flavored kool-Aid. BTW, what is, "cool aid?" That way the poor and elderly could have even less in the way of medical and social relief. Yea, America would be a much better place then..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #69 August 1, 2006 I gotta hand it to you. 1 - You have my politics most closely id'd versus the lazy stereotypers here. (I'm closest to Libertariarn, but I really don't much care for the offerings out there, even that one). But at least you care enough to figure it out and not just label me liberal or neo-con. 2 - You are fully unashamedly committed to your 'push it leftward to socialism' agendas your mind control Orwellian masters put out there. I appreciate your honesty and not trying to sugar coat it like many left wingers (ooooh, there's that darn stereotype again). deny it? HMMMMM, I thought not. (I know you take it seriously, but know this...I don't. It's all in good mockery. Have fun) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #70 August 2, 2006 QuoteI gotta hand it to you. 1 - You have my politics most closely id'd versus the lazy stereotypers here. (I'm closest to Libertariarn, but I really don't much care for the offerings out there, even that one). But at least you care enough to figure it out and not just label me liberal or neo-con. 2 - You are fully unashamedly committed to your 'push it leftward to socialism' agendas your mind control Orwellian masters put out there. I appreciate your honesty and not trying to sugar coat it like many left wingers (ooooh, there's that darn stereotype again). deny it? HMMMMM, I thought not. (I know you take it seriously, but know this...I don't. It's all in good mockery. Have fun) Quote1 - You have my politics most closely id'd versus the lazy stereotypers here. (I'm closest to Libertariarn, but I really don't much care for the offerings out there, even that one). But at least you care enough to figure it out and not just label me liberal or neo-con. Lucky guess But I'm not trying to judge you, just discuss the political issues. I would really like to discuss the workings of the Libertarian social system tho, what their actual platform is and how it can work. I do like some of the ideas of the Libertarians. Quote2 - You are fully unashamedly committed to your 'push it leftward to socialism' agendas your mind control Orwellian masters put out there. I appreciate your honesty and not trying to sugar coat it like many left wingers (ooooh, there's that darn stereotype again). And I must return the volley that you have me pegged. Things are so far right that there is no need to tweak things back into place, we need to drive left for an easy decade. When we have cities like Vegas passing laws like no feeding the homeless, we are a depraved nation (pending they hold up in appellate courts). If we were close to fair, I wouldn't be so hard-driven left. I have voted right before, mnay times, just not inthe last 10 years. Quote(I know you take it seriously, but know this...I don't. It's all in good mockery. Have fun) I totally agree. All in fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
