Terrorist attacks on Americans

[rushmc 23]

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You are fooling yourself.......

so, this current enemy you are fighting can wipe the US off the map in 30 minutes with their nuclear weapons?

Using extreem examples is a poor way to alter a debate and.......I never said what you posted

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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No scare tactic. It is the truth you fail to recognize. (again, this is my and many others opinions) Militant Islamic Facsisim is the enemy. There is only one way to get rid of this threat. Eliminate it. Iraq is but one step to that end.

I agree there is a power hungry group involved here. Your problem is you mis-indientify it. It is not the US. Never has been and it will not be under this president!

Oh, and I was around back then. This war is bigger than that ......

Holy crap. Do you realize how badly you are being played? The only buzz word you've not repeated from RushOReillyHannitySavage etc. is "World War 3". Or did I miss that one?

Sorry, but you are the one being played.

Do you see any similarities to what is happening now and when Hitler was coming into power and biulding the German war machine?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Using extreem examples is a poor way to alter a debate and.......I never said what you posted

That was the stated threat during the Cold War. Not using extremes at all. If you are convinced the current threat is even greater, then what exactly is this greater threat?

[rushmc 23]

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Using extreem examples is a poor way to alter a debate and.......I never said what you posted

That was the stated threat during the Cold War. Not using extremes at all. If you are convinced the current threat is even greater, then what exactly is this greater threat?

Radical Islamic Fascism

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Isn't that the supposed group behind the threat...or the ideology behind the treat?

Like communism was behind the whole nuclear 30 minute threat.

So, we understand that group is doing the threatening, but what is the threat?

[billvon 3,070]

>Radical Islamic Fascism

The only Islamic dictatorship out there that has nuclear weapons is Pakistan - and they are our allies.

Perhaps that's what Iran has to do. Get nukes, become our allies, start getting all sorts of US aid, let Bin Laden hang out near their borders, and watch happily as we invade their neighbors and take care of their problems for them.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Radical Islamic Fascism

Is thatm in your view, the 21st century equilient to the Domino Effect? Nations are going to fall under the spell of a religion that forbids drinking and pork and fun (well, aside from the pork it sounds like the Christian Right)

Get with the program. The Cold War threatened an end to civilization, with billions dead and the rest totally fucked. The worst case scenario now is measured in millions, not billions.

[kelpdiver 2]

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It doesn't mean people don't care: It is a matter of terminology.

Terrorism is when civilians are targeted.

to be more precise, terrorism is the targetting of civilians by the underdog, or if spokem in a historical context, by the loser.

[matthewcline 0]

Read "Countdown to Crisis" by Ken Timmerman.
In his book he has copies of plenty of Iranian Intel Documents that state (in his interpretation);

Iran already has Nuclear Weapons wit hthe range to wipe outIsreal and reach Eurpoe.

Iran as late as 2005 hosted Bin Laden and continues to fund and aide his organization.

Iran has funded, trained and advised Hezbala (Iranian soldiers have been identified post mortem in Lebanon, as reported in the national media)

Iran has in the past, and even as recent as last year at an address in NY at the UN, stated the desire to aide terroists in the distrcution of Isreal and America and "her Imperialistic Infidel allies".

Reading that book, plus many others and the Intel my job allows me to see, I say we actually did get attacked by Iran, although through a proxy force. Much like we hoped to accomplish in Cuba, Nicaragua, El Salvador and in Asia.

Iran is probably the biggest Radical Ilsam run country in the world and in my opinion the worlds biggest danger.

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[billvon 3,070]

>Iran already has Nuclear Weapons wit hthe range to wipe outIsreal and reach Eurpoe.

If so, then perhaps we should start treating them with a bit more respect, since they clearly have learned the most important lesson about nuclear weapons - how to not use them. Most countries (except the US) have exercised such restraint, and we are all better off for it.

>I say we actually did get attacked by Iran, although through a proxy force.

Are you referring to their support of Palestinian groups in the most recent fighting? If so, I agree, but only if you consider Israel and the US to be one and the same. (Or perhaps there's a double-proxy thing going on.)

[matthewcline 0]

I am refering to the open and large support and harboring of Bin Laden and his Terror group.

But Iran considers Isreal and the US as one. We have been pretty closly linked, but I myself don't call us "as one".

Iran has sent many of ther "Special Forces" to Iraq with specific orders to attack US forces, orders issued prior to the US actually crossing out of Kuwait in 2003. Some Iranian soldiers actually happened to be in front of us as we reached Najaf and B-dad.

Iran may hold back since 2 Eurpean nations have re-aimed their Nukes and now Iran is the bulls eye. But a small Nuke is some thing they are working on with the idea of short range delivery (i.e. ship board short range from say 20 miles off the east coast at DC).

Nothing really new, just not widely reported.

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[kallend 2,106]

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Surely the insurgent attacks on US soldiers in Iraq should similarly be counted as terrorist attacks on the US? In that case they've not diminished but hit record highs

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How can you count those as terrorist attacks, in Iraq we have placed ourselves on the battlefield with the terrorists in an effort to draw them into the fight. That's not a terrorist attack, it's called combat.

You are right about how the majority of those attacks in the list though were against soldiers, kind of funny how the US public couldn't give two shits less about the loss of a few soldiers, but when civilians get attacked its horrible. Oh wait, I forgot, we're soldiers, we're expendable and mean nothing to the public we protect

I am the father of a soldier. You could not be more WRONG.

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[billvon 3,070]

>I am refering to the open and large support and harboring of
>Bin Laden and his Terror group.

You mean the same regime that arrested his son and turned him over to the authorities in Pakistan?

As best as we can tell currently, Bin Laden is in Pakistan. Which makes Pakistan the only logical scapegoat at this time. Iran is playing their own political games, but I see no evidence those games include Bin Laden.

>Iran may hold back since 2 Eurpean nations have re-aimed
>their Nukes and now Iran is the bulls eye.

As I am sure you are aware, our nuclear forces would have no problem reaching Iran. MAD is as applicable there as it is anywhere.

>But a small Nuke is some thing they are working on with the
>idea of short range delivery . . .

If they can get a boat 20 miles off our coast, they can get a sailboat into NYC harbor - or a container into the LA port. They don't need a missile, and the weapon doesn't have to be small.

[kallend 2,106]

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> It is the truth you fail to recognize. (again, this is my and many
> others opinions) Militant Islamic Facsisim is the enemy.

Like I said, same story, different day. Did we have to kill all the commies to win that war?

>I agree there is a power hungry group involved here. Your problem is
> you mis-indientify it. It is not the US.

The rest of the world now disagrees.

>Oh, and I was around back then. This war is bigger than that ......

Then I suspect you've never had to dive under your desk during civil defense drills. We all knew total annihilation was just around the corner. And the USSR had the means to do it - wipe out every major US city within half an hour.

To claim that this is a bigger threat than that is ludicrous. You're letting your fear guide you if you really think that.

You are fooling yourself.......

Funny that, coming from someone who still believes Iraq had WMDs (and lots of other stuff long since disproved).

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[rushmc 23]

Funny that, coming from someone who still believes Iraq had WMDs (and lots of other stuff long since disproved).

[rushmc 23]

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Recently terrorist attacks against the US have all but diminished.

Many of the terrorist attacks cited in that article were directed against US soldiers. Surely the insurgent attacks on US soldiers in Iraq should similarly be counted as terrorist attacks on the US? In that case they've not diminished but hit record highs.

Except most of the Iraq attacks are not on troops now are they. Most of the attacks are on other Iraqis. US troop loses are now very low. Even the tolal losses for the war are less than the murders in Detroit for a year.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[matthewcline 0]

Yep, same regime. Well, not exacly the same regime. The current regime hasn't been an allie as far as I know. But ealier in time yes, Iran was an allie.

A few months after the arrest they hosted Bin Laden and a few of his top aides for a planing meeting on Iraq and future atacks against the US and Isreal.

Hezbala was represented too.

They (Iran) facilitated his move to Pakistan, he could not move through the country with out the approval of the Regime.

Iran has aplan of some sort and in thier mind they are the #1 right country and all others are wrong. The yhope that other Islamic Nations will soon follow suit.

We (the US) focused on the wrong country in 2002 and 2003. But we all know that as it is painfully obvious in hind sight.

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[slug 1]

Anyone remember when Iran was one of our best friends in the middle east.

Or maybe I should rephrase that that when the shah of Iran was one of our best friends in the middle east. Since my enemies (commie) enemy Iran is our friend.(The shah was bought and paid for by the US and kept him in power)

Is it any wonder the Iranians that were persecuted by the shah don't like the US. We created a lot of our own problems, right now we're creating another Generation of hate by our foreign policy directed by our elected officals and their bumbling staff. ie "Good job Brownie" Connie and Rummy.

I wonder why Mr Powell bailed out as Sec of state? to spend more time with his family?

R.I.P.

[matthewcline 0]

Well Gen. Powell did say that was his intent when he took the job
You know after he broke his promise to his family to not be invovled after he retired from the Army.

I still say he would be a better person in the Oval office than the last 2.

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[kallend 2,106]

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Recently terrorist attacks against the US have all but diminished.

Many of the terrorist attacks cited in that article were directed against US soldiers. Surely the insurgent attacks on US soldiers in Iraq should similarly be counted as terrorist attacks on the US? In that case they've not diminished but hit record highs.

Except most of the Iraq attacks are not on troops now are they. Most of the attacks are on other Iraqis. US troop loses are now very low. Even the tolal losses for the war are less than the murders in Detroit for a year.

Maybe it's time to declare war on crime?

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[kelpdiver 2]

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Iran already has Nuclear Weapons wit hthe range to wipe outIsreal and reach Eurpoe.

The immediate gain in national security that Iran would garner by having nukes only comes from a successful test. Nothing is gained by a secret arsenal. Conclusion - this claim is false.

[kallend 2,106]

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Iran already has Nuclear Weapons wit hthe range to wipe outIsreal and reach Eurpoe.

The immediate gain in national security that Iran would garner by having nukes only comes from a successful test. Nothing is gained by a secret arsenal. Conclusion - this claim is false.

Has Israel conducted a test? N. Korea?

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[Bdog 0]

This is just another scare article, trying to get fear to replace reason. The more fear, the easier people are to control. Machiavelli's "The Prince" has a good overview of how the State can control a populace, and making them afraid is one of the best ways there is.

Just ask the French.

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[billvon 3,070]

>A few months after the arrest they hosted Bin Laden and a few of his
>top aides for a planing meeting on Iraq and future atacks against the US
>and Isreal.

Do you have any references for that? Never heard of that one.

>They (Iran) facilitated his move to Pakistan, he could not move through
>the country with out the approval of the Regime.

Again, if Bin Laden can't move in a country without approval from the government, I'd expect you to support an immediate and massive invasion of Pakistan, to topple the government that has been allowing him to stay in Pakistan. But I think you know that Al Qaeda can operate in a country without the approval of the government; like the pro-WMD types used to say, the Middle East is a big place.

>Iran has aplan of some sort and in thier mind they are the #1 right
>country and all others are wrong.

In other words they're a lot like us.

>We (the US) focused on the wrong country in 2002 and 2003. But we all
> know that as it is painfully obvious in hind sight.

I agree. Unfortunately, we are now seeing the exact same tricks used to mislead people into thinking that Iran is "really the enemy." Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice . . . well, you know the saying.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Has Israel conducted a test? N. Korea?

I thought Korea had, but guess it's always been more of a threat. No one doubts the substance. And Israel went so far as to arm their's for actual use in the last big war.

So far Bush has talked up the Irani nukes then they have.