Wish the Democrats would do this with Hillary

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/01/floridasenate.harris.ap/index.html

The woman is an icon and probably would be an interesting choice, but is UN-ELECTABLE for exactly those same reasons.

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Wait a minute...Hillary is a container made by Aerodyne?

(man those advertising links are annoying).

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Wait a minute...Hillary is a container made by Aerodyne?

(man those advertising links are annoying).

They are very annoying. I avoid the advertising words all together.

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Yeah, but the in post automatic linking is still annoying.

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advertising keeps this place running.

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/01/floridasenate.harris.ap/index.html

The woman is an icon and probably would be an interesting choice, but is UN-ELECTABLE for exactly those same reasons.

Thank god for that one!

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Nah, she and most Dems are unelectable because swing and moderate repub voters get amnesia as to what a mess their former candidates have made..... until they leave the booth.

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By that line of reasoning no Democrat is electable.

I refuse to believe that is the case.

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Actually, you want the dems to run Hillary as a candidate. That way the other candidate, whoever that might be, will be a shoe in. The left is dead, we are seeing the last gasps of the slow and painful death of the dems.

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Actually, you want the dems to run Hillary as a candidate. That way the other candidate, whoever that might be, will be a shoe in. The left is dead, we are seeing the last gasps of the slow and painful death of the dems.

No. As a matter of fact, that's exactly NOT what I want.

Both Left and Right have become screaming extremeists and I'm not really interested in that.

What I would like to see is the BEST person for the job, not simply an ideologue.

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By that line of reasoning no Democrat is electable.

Hammer >> Nail >> Head.

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What I would like to see is the BEST person for the job, not simply an ideologue.

Simply not an option. The days of moderates are over. Only the extremes are player in todays climate. Unless and until the current fad of religion driven politics fades ( an equally unlikely event), then the extremes, and only the extremes, will have a voice.

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That is a pitiable world view.

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Actually, you want the dems to run Hillary as a candidate. That way the other candidate, whoever that might be, will be a shoe in. The left is dead, we are seeing the last gasps of the slow and painful death of the dems.

Ok, help me out here then. I'll admit that the Dems have been real losers by not being able to use Bush's failures against him. But what do the Republicans stand for these days? I see nothing but a major identity crisis in their camp.
Nation building?
Balanced budget/fiscal responsibility?
State's rights?
Smaller Federal Govt?
Immigration?
Social programs/efficiency?
Nation building (I know I put that one twice but it's a doozy).

Since they've been in control I've seen only one thing that I could count on from them and that's a rampant feeding frenzy on the Treasury.

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OK, here's the deal: The dems should be able to beat the right with half their brain cells tied behind their back. BUT THEY CAN"T. They can't even win a school board election with a platform of actually teaching science in science class. They can't even win local seat in my home state of Maryland, one of the most democratic states in the northeast. When a party becomes THAT irrelevant, it's time to pack up and go home. The sooner the dems go the way of the Whigs, the better. Maybe we on the left can even save the constitution before the right gets done with trashing it completely.

All of the issues you stated would be, if the shoe was on the other foot, the death knell for the party in charge. But. for some reason, this never sticks to the right. Clinton never would have got away with starting a war of aggression based on false intel, and bankrupting the treasury in the process, but because it's Shurubya, no one says a word. No president on the left would have gotten away with illegal wire taps and outing CIA agents, but let the right do it, and it's totally OK.

All of this and the left is totally, completely paralyzed. Time to move on.

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I don't think the Dems are dead yet, but I do feel they are headed in that direction.

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All of the issues you stated would be, if the shoe was on the other foot, the death knell for the party in charge. But. for some reason, this never sticks to the right. Clinton never would have got away with starting a war of aggression based on false intel, and bankrupting the treasury in the process, but because it's Shurubya, no one says a word. No president on the left would have gotten away with illegal wire taps and outing CIA agents, but let the right do it, and it's totally OK.

All of this and the left is totally, completely paralyzed. Time to move on.

It does baffle the mind. Personally, I'd love to see political parties done away with. They're counterproductive. But actually, now that I think about it, they HAVE been done away with. There's really not that much difference between the D's and the R's. They're both beholden to corporate lobbyists. Corporations decide who get's elected, then they actually write the legislation, they help form foreign policy and then to top it off, the same corporations use their own media entities to sell all of this to the American people. You get your news, entertainment, cars, clothes, food, fuel, legislation and foreign policy, and in some cases, opinion, all from the same people. It's quite a racket when you stand back to look at it.

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I don't think the Dems are dead yet, but I do feel they are headed in that direction.

If the Dems don't win this fall it means one of two things. Either they are COMPLETELY inept or America's voting system has been corrupted. Both are plausible.
That aside, if I had my choice I'd say that we need a third party candidate by the name of Paul Rieckhoff.

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I'd say completely inept. They keep proving it over and over again. Republicans have abandoned fiscal conservatism and pissed off their base, but what the left offers is so unpalatable they motivate conservatives to the polls in droves to vote against them.

The current crises facing America, IMHO, are the budget deficit and our education system. The left has no credibility on either. I think a lot of moderate republicans agree with me on that (I'm libertarian for the most part) and will never vote for a candidate who proposes ideas that will increase mandatory spending and would be beholden to the NEA and seek to maintain the status quo of our nation's school systems by funneling $$ into them and not addressing the underlying issues that keep our schools dumbed down. Without moderates from the Right crossing over to the left, the Dems are doomed to defeat.

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The current crises facing America, IMHO, are the budget deficit and our education system.

If I remember correctly, the Dems had us a surplus until repubs came and shit it away.

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>I'd say completely inept. They keep proving it over and over again.

If that were true, the polls would not be what they are. The democrats don't offer anything new, but the republicans are becoming such an awful option that I suspect we will see significant democratic gains in the next election.

>will never vote for a candidate who proposes ideas that will increase mandatory spending . . .

How much you figure this war cost us so far? Compare that to a massive new NEA funding bill. Which one is bigger?

Perhaps the next democratic candidate could just promise to increase NEA funding massively, increase funding for schools, fund the war and cut taxes. Everyone would win!

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The current crises facing America, IMHO, are the budget deficit and our education system.

If I remember correctly, the Dems had us a surplus until repubs came and shit it away.

Uh no, we still had a trade imbalance and did not pay off our nations foreign debts.

I'm libertarian


But I have and will continue to vote for the candidate that scares me the least.

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'tis the lack of anything new that's one of the main reason I think they're doomed. It's new ideas that are needed to resolve the financial crisis we're facing. Ditto for the nation's education problems, though I really believe they should be resolved at the state level for the most part.

A massive new NEA funding bill would be discretionary spending in all likelihood. One shudders to think about fed $$ funding a leftist union such as the NEA. One could put mandatory spending in there I suppose if it were worded correctly.

The war is mostly discretionary spending, though it will lead to more mandatory spending in the future with regards to benefits, etc.

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The surplus was created under a conservative Congress...Congress appropriates.

I'm not a good libertarian, but I'd be a really horrid Republican. My support of drug legalization and refusal to support a total ban on abortion alone wouldn't win me many friends at an RNC convention. I'd certainly be better received there than at a DNC convention, however.

Your avatar is ingenious for being Shrek's wife. I remember you now...the campfire...

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