Pallywood

[Trent 0]

For your consideration:

http://www.break.com/index/what_really_happens_pallywood.html

Of course, some will come back saying that deception happens on both sides and it is those who are "on the Israeli" side that are being used and manipulated. What do you think about this? The Al-Dura "incident" also comes to mind when talking about "Pallywood".

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[GTAVercetti 0]

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For your consideration:

http://www.break.com/index/what_really_happens_pallywood.html

Of course, some will come back saying that deception happens on both sides and it is those who are "on the Israeli" side that are being used and manipulated. What do you think about this? The Al-Dura "incident" also comes to mind when talking about "Pallywood".

Holy shit dude.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[Andy9o8 2]

Ah! Thread #23, I see. How lovely.

[warpedskydiver 0]

You're suprised?

Have you ever seen a so called protest rally that in person looks like a few morons and on the news it looks like the entire city is up in arms?

[GTAVercetti 0]

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You're suprised?

Have you ever seen a so called protest rally that in person looks like a few morons and on the news it looks like the entire city is up in arms?

No, i am not so much suprised as just saying holy shit at seeing the raw footage of it.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[warpedskydiver 0]

Kinda makes you think that Frank Zappa was right huh?

I am gross and perverted
I'm obsessed 'n deranged
I have existed for years
But very little has changed
I'm the tool of the Government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious
But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious
With the stuff that I say
I'm the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
I'm the slime oozin' out
From your TV set

You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don't need you
Don't go for help . . . no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold

That's right, folks . . .
Don't touch that dial

Well, I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livin' room floor

I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go

I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livin' room floor

I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go

[Andy9o8 2]

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Kinda makes you think that Frank Zappa was right God huh?

Fixed it for ya!

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Let me just ask this:

Is this the same 60-minutes that the conservatives on this board keep telling us is completely useless and nothing they report should be believed?

[Trent 0]

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Let me just ask this:

Is this the same 60-minutes that the conservatives on this board keep telling us is completely useless and nothing they report should be believed?

Is this what happens when you have nothing to say about the actual subject?

But, just to humor your BS... yes, it is the same 60 minutes that libs, like yourself, put all of your faith in. Kinda like those "honest" international cameramen you see filming the staged violence while cleverly omitting the shots of the spectators and directors of the scene.

Feel better?

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[ahegeman 0]

60 Minutes did not produce that report - some of their footage was just used in it. I was confused about that a bit at first myself.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Is this what happens when you have nothing to say about the actual subject?

I can't see the video on my work computer, so I can't comment on that.

I saw it was from 60 Minutes and I was wondering why conservatives would rally behind this while always discrediting 60 minutes because of the whole Dan Rather thing when the subject doesn't agree with their views.

Now remember, I already stated I haven't seen the video, but I am sure some staging happens, your own government is doing it in the US and shipping the tape straight to channels who run it as is, without editing. I am not so sure why anybody would think it doesn't happen in other governments and organziations.

60 Minutes has shown they will do anything to get a sensational story (including taking liberties with the truth and decent journalism), which casts some doubt on anything they broadcast in my mind, wether it agrees with my political views or not.

Let's say Hezbollah re-arranged some things to make it look worse. Let's say that is true. Do you think they killed that child for the picture or do you think they used a child was killed by Israel's? In the end the child was dead....

[Trent 0]

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I can't see the video on my work computer, so I can't comment on that.

Then come back and we'll talk about what we both saw.

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I saw it was from 60 Minutes and I was wondering why conservatives would rally behind this while always discrediting 60 minutes because of the whole Dan Rather thing when the subject doesn't agree with their views.

So that should make it especially valuable to someone who always disagrees with "righties".

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Now remember, I already stated I haven't seen the video, but I am sure some staging happens, your own government is doing it in the US and shipping the tape straight to channels who run it as is, without editing. I am not so sure why anybody would think it doesn't happen in other governments and organziations.

Because it's right when the "pet cause" folks do it? Because the "victims" are really always the victims? There's plenty of reason to expose the "Pallywood" exploits, regardless of whether or not Stalin used propaganda in his day.

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60 Minutes has shown they will do anything to get a sensational story (including taking liberties with the truth and decent journalism), which casts some doubt on anything they broadcast in my mind, wether it agrees with my political views or not.

Didn't you just criticize conservatives for bashing 60 minutes?

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Let's say Hezbollah re-arranged some things to make it look worse. Let's say that is true. Do you think they killed that child for the picture or do you think they used a child was killed by Israel's? In the end the child was dead....

The "production" actually made me wonder about whether or not that child may be dead. Funny thing about crying wolf...

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[Darius11 12]

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60 Minutes did not produce that report - some of their footage was just used in it. I was confused about that a bit at first myself.

Yea I believe your right. The beginning of the video is made out to fool you in too thinking this is 60-min. However it is not.

I wonder if Arial Sharon edited the film it looks that way to me.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[GTAVercetti 0]

So you are saying that all the men satanding around and then taking places while that guy shoots into a building is NOT faked?

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[Trent 0]

Maybe the full version will show you that people you don't like may not be the only ones with serious credibility problems. Who has more to gain by faking videos like this? Israel or Palestinians?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3330818905742409257

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[billvon 3,009]

>Who has more to gain by faking videos like this? Israel or Palestinians?

Uh - both, clearly. Propaganda has been used during war for all of recorded history, by both the winning and losing sides.

[Michele 1]

I watched it this morning...I think the guy repeatedly falling off the funeral bier was funny.

Just makes one question (if they haven't already) the Palestinian propaganda machine;how well oiled, coordinated, and manipulating it truly is.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[akarunway 1]

How about? > " the BUSH propaganda machine;how well oiled, coordinated, and manipulating it truly is. _______________________________________________

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Trent 0]

How about sticking to what you think about being manipulated by the Palestinians?

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[Guest]

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>Who has more to gain by faking videos like this? Israel or Palestinians?

Uh - both, clearly. Propaganda has been used during war for all of recorded history, by both the winning and losing sides.

The Israelis raided a Hizbollah "safe house" the other day. It contained Israeli uniforms and arms. This means one of three things in increasing order of likelihood:

1) Hizbollah was planning to raid civilian areas in Northern Israel (not likely)
2) Hizbollah was planning a suicide mission against Israeli forces (possible)
3) Hizbollah was planning to kill Lebanese civilians in order for Israel to be blamed (most likely).

#3 is the most likely scenario because it's the easiest thing to do and would have the most dramatic propaganda effect.

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[Skyrad 0]

The guy is shooting into the room, but the guy is using a high velocity assault rifle the wall is breazy block it rounds would go straight through it and whats behind the wall? The Israeli post.

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[warpedskydiver 0]

I do not know what construction the entire building was made of but he may have been firing at a bullet trap of one sort or another.

I think if the rounds did pass through that they may have not had much energy left if they did make it to the Israeli post.

They may have even notified the Israeli's of their film making so that they would not draw fire from the post.

[Trent 0]

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The guy is shooting into the room, but the guy is using a high velocity assault rifle the wall is breazy block it rounds would go straight through it and whats behind the wall? The Israeli post.

Nice excuse!! It could be myriad other things too. We can all play! Maybe he was shooting into the ground in the building and it was a dirt floor. Maybe, like was stated, there's a bullet trap in there or piles of dirt and rubble to shoot into.

If you REALLY think that guy was shooting through brick realistically hoping to do some damage to the Israeli post, you must think that those folks are pretty freakin' dumb.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

I thought these 2 articles were pretty interesting.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3286966,00.html

It makes it very clear that some in the Press will go to whatever extreme it takes to turn public opinion of Israel negative.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3256534,00.html

[Royd 0]

I have always been suspicious of the milling crowds of people who never have anything else to do.

Isn't it also strange that the news never reports the death of a single hezbollah soldier, as if they are invincible?