dorbie 0 #26 August 7, 2006 There's that context thing again. There are locals who are biased in the extreme acting as the reporting agents for organizations like Reuters. This is just the most obvious manifestation but there's a litany ove past problems, Pallywood etc. This is just one symptom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #27 August 7, 2006 Propaganda.... dont you just love it Dont know the origins of it but I think some newspaper said "We never lie accidentally" ..... and that was about WW2... nothing really changes. . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #28 August 8, 2006 QuoteQuote But maybe you think it's just fine to run around posing with the corpses of dead kids throwing them on & off gurneys and in and out of ambulances to get the right shot, to lie to the world if it's a means to an end. Whatever your thoughts on this it should not be presented as news. On a gurney, under a pile of rubble, on the ground, in an ambulance, held up in the air.....what do these all have in common? A DEAD KID!!!! I can hear the next one. "Hey, the report said the infant was blown to pieces. That's BULLSHIT! Only his arms and legs were gone. His head is clearly attached to his torso, which appears completely unscathed I might add. Damn liberal bias". (insert witty/detracting/discrediting deliberate mispronunciation of media source's name) Dead kid... like Mohammed Al Dura?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #29 August 8, 2006 Quote Dead kid... like Mohammed Al Dura? How many dead kid pics would it take, wait.... let me rephrase, how many dead Lebanese kids would it take for people to recognize the war crimes? http://hrw.org/reports/2006/lebanon0806/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #30 August 8, 2006 QuoteHow many dead kid pics would it take, wait.... let me rephrase, how many dead Lebanese kids would it take for people to recognize the war crimes? Did you read the article? You should. You should also watch the Pallywood video and ask yourself just how much you're being manipulated. If the west was caught making as much shit up as the Palestinian side... EVERYTHING would be discounted as BS. Why do the Palestinians get a pass on that?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #31 August 8, 2006 Yea this is not a new phenomenon, even an accurate photograph can be highly misleading with a deceptive caption, completely reversing the facts: http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/reports/The_Photo_that_Started_it_All.asp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #32 August 8, 2006 I think it is extremely bad journalism and quite frankly despicable. However, if you think it isn't happening on all sides of this war (including the US) than you are being naive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #33 August 8, 2006 Quote Yea this is not a new phenomenon, even an accurate photograph can be highly misleading with a deceptive caption, completely reversing the facts: http://www.honestreporting.com/...t_Started_it_All.asp Yeah, just get the rabble all riled up, no matter what. Honesty be damned. Accusations and emotion are all that really matter. That is a really disturbing example.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #34 August 8, 2006 QuoteHowever, if you think it isn't happening on all sides of this war (including the US) than you are being naive. Where did I say that it hasn't? In fact... if you look at this thread or the Pallywood one... you'll see the opposite of what you assume I think. It certainly does seem that the muslim side is getting caught more often recently, though. Most of the press I've seen about Israel is how many operations they've had, how many soldiers they've lost, how they had to move from a town, how they've bombed yet another "innocent" victim, stuff like that. It seems they get shit on no matter what anyway so any attempts by them to say that they're actually dropping jell-o bombs and that it's actually good for the people would be met as skeptically as them saying that the ambulance they blew up was observed transporting weapons prior to its destruction. Meanwhile, our virtuous "other side" will continue to use the gullible to play the constant victim.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,034 #35 August 8, 2006 Was listening to a report from Kiryat Shmona and the Israeli reporter was asked "what was that noise, was it a Katusha". She replied that it was an Israeli artillery battery firing from the town. So apparently Hezbollah are not the only ones putting military units in civilian areas.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #36 August 8, 2006 Quote Was listening to a report from Kiryat Shmona and the Israeli reporter was asked "what was that noise, was it a Katusha". She replied that it was an Israeli artillery battery firing from the town. So apparently Hezbollah are not the only ones putting military units in civilian areas. Yeah John in the FIELDS around town Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #37 August 8, 2006 QuoteQuote Was listening to a report from Kiryat Shmona and the Israeli reporter was asked "what was that noise, was it a Katusha". She replied that it was an Israeli artillery battery firing from the town. So apparently Hezbollah are not the only ones putting military units in civilian areas. Yeah John in the FIELDS around town "FIELDS" weren't mentioned. It's (technically) easier to operate a gun in a built-up area than rockets because of the nature of the propellant and the backblast. As such, the rockets are the ones which NEED an open space to launch from, not the field guns! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #38 August 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Was listening to a report from Kiryat Shmona and the Israeli reporter was asked "what was that noise, was it a Katusha". She replied that it was an Israeli artillery battery firing from the town. So apparently Hezbollah are not the only ones putting military units in civilian areas. Yeah John in the FIELDS around town "FIELDS" weren't mentioned. It's (technically) easier to operate a gun in a built-up area than rockets because of the nature of the propellant and the backblast. As such, the rockets are the ones which NEED an open space to launch from, not the field guns! Mike. I was going on what I saw on TV live on Fox News a day or two ago, you could easily see the 155mm howitzers in the FARM FIELDS surrounding the town Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #39 August 8, 2006 QuoteIt's (technically) easier to operate a gun in a built-up area than rockets because of the nature of the propellant and the backblast. How so? Guns have to shoot at an angle, which kinda prevents them from being around any larger buildings. QuoteAs such, the rockets are the ones which NEED an open space to launch from, not the field guns! Open spaces like rooftops, empty warehouses with views of Israel? That's not to say that many don't come from the hills, but do you think they're stored there?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,034 #40 August 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt's (technically) easier to operate a gun in a built-up area than rockets because of the nature of the propellant and the backblast. How so? Guns have to shoot at an angle, which kinda prevents them from being around any larger buildings. QuoteAs such, the rockets are the ones which NEED an open space to launch from, not the field guns! Unguided rockets like Katushas have to be fired at an angle too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #41 August 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt's (technically) easier to operate a gun in a built-up area than rockets because of the nature of the propellant and the backblast. How so? Guns have to shoot at an angle, which kinda prevents them from being around any larger buildings. Both, being unguided ballistic objects, need to be fired at an angle. A field gun, being unpowered for a far greater proportion of it's flight is the one fired at the higher angle so it's less affected by surrounding buildings than a (Katyusha type) rocket. QuoteQuoteAs such, the rockets are the ones which NEED an open space to launch from, not the field guns! Open spaces like rooftops, empty warehouses with views of Israel? That's not to say that many don't come from the hills, but do you think they're stored there? I'd guess that they're stored like ANY military organisation stores it's ammunition. When used, Rockets are far more harmful to the immediate surroundings of the firing point than field guns. As such, there's a greater requirement to fire from open places. Further, the rockets & launchers used by Hezb'Allah aren't the short-range man portable things. They're the bloody big truck mounted things. Size equals range. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #42 August 9, 2006 I'm not dead yet... http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/08/new-york-times-busted-in-hezbollah.html The floodgates are opening: http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/08/08/another-bogus-photo/ I guess that Israeli jet crashed into that tire dump.... The whole gathering process out there is now tainted to the core. Just keep saying it was just ONE guy.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,034 #43 August 9, 2006 I don't understand why everyone is getting so worked up about propaganda. EVERY nation does it. EVERY ONE. "In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies." - - - Winston Churchill How many times have we in the US been told by the White House how wonderfully things are going in Afghanistan and Iraq? Now they can't hide the shambles they've created over there. The biggest problem is not the other side's propaganda, it's when you start believing your own propaganda.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #44 August 9, 2006 ....and just to tie this back to the Reuters issue, Do they have an agenda? yes and that is to promote distribution. After all, News organizations are only as good as they are profitable, it is a business just like any other. Even PBS which is funded by public donation has its moments of embellishment. Bad news is good news for any news media organization.Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #45 August 9, 2006 QuoteWhere did I say that it hasn't? I didn't say you did, that is why I used the word "if". if you look, you'll even see the post is pretty general in tone...aimed at more than just you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #46 August 9, 2006 Quote I don't understand why everyone is getting so worked up about propaganda. Because if they can show a few bogus photos then they can dismiss the real ones and somehow desensitize themselves to the reality of the 1000 dead Lebanese. The strange thing is, the same people can get all worked up into a lather over one casualty or one kidnapped person from their preferred side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #47 August 9, 2006 >How many times have we in the US been told by the White >House how wonderfully things are going in Afghanistan and Iraq? Yep. Remember that statue of Saddam that got pulled down? It seemed like a huge crowd of cheering native Iraqis clamoring to pull it down. Turned out it was a very small crowd (some creative camera work made it look bigger) in a square that had been sealed off by US military. They chose one directly across from the hotel that US journalists were staying in, sealed it off, then admitted some Iraqi exiles the US had flown in for the occasion. US troops, of course, then pulled the statue down. But it sure made for some great front pages! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,034 #48 August 9, 2006 Quote>How many times have we in the US been told by the White >House how wonderfully things are going in Afghanistan and Iraq? Yep. Remember that statue of Saddam that got pulled down? It seemed like a huge crowd of cheering native Iraqis clamoring to pull it down. Turned out it was a very small crowd (some creative camera work made it look bigger) in a square that had been sealed off by US military. They chose one directly across from the hotel that US journalists were staying in, sealed it off, then admitted some Iraqi exiles the US had flown in for the occasion. US troops, of course, then pulled the statue down. But it sure made for some great front pages! The biggest problem is not the other side's propaganda, it's when you start believing your own propaganda.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #49 August 9, 2006 QuoteWhen used, Rockets are far more harmful to the immediate surroundings of the firing point than field guns. As such, there's a greater requirement to fire from open places. More harmful than the concussion wave from an artillery battery firing? In a built-up area... that would be pretty devastating as well. Firing rockets from empty buildings and rooftops is completely feasible. QuoteFurther, the rockets & launchers used by Hezb'Allah aren't the short-range man portable things. They're the bloody big truck mounted things. Size equals range. Didn't we already resolve that? Katyushas CAN be launched from man-mobile platforms. Hezbollah HAS these resources. I can go back and dig up more pics of Hezbollah with these launchers again if I have to. Even if Hezbollah only had the truck mounted launchers, do you think they'd be getting away with having them out in the fields all the time? I wonder where they go to hide? Certainly hiding hundreds of launchers out in open fields would be detrimental to their ability to launch hundreds into Israel daily.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #50 August 9, 2006 Quote Yep. Remember that statue of Saddam that got pulled down? It seemed like a huge crowd of cheering native Iraqis clamoring to pull it down. Turned out it was a very small crowd (some creative camera work made it look bigger) in a square that had been sealed off by US military. They chose one directly across from the hotel that US journalists were staying in, sealed it off, then admitted some Iraqi exiles the US had flown in for the occasion. US troops, of course, then pulled the statue down. But it sure made for some great front pages! Thanks for reminding me. Do a search for "Bush" and "whatever it takes" and "doctored". It also makes Bush's stance against cloning ring just a little hollow Aww hell.....I'll make it easy for you. Click here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/27/22442/878 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
