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>Basicaly, it's like L.A. in the middle east.

It's like LA with Orange County run by the Taliban and supported militarily by China. Everything will be fine if all the LA citizens simply live in peace with them . . .

Are you comparing Israel to Taliban?

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>Are you comparing Israel to Taliban?

In terms of the animosity felt between the two groups (US vs Taliban, Lebanese vs Israel) yes.

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That’s my questions I guess, Will you shut the fuck up now?

With news and more news that this war(the Israeli & Lebanon) was planned a year ago.

So all the people who said this war was started because of kidnapped soldiers will you STFU now?

Not to mention what side of the border the soldiers were at the time of their capture is a huge question.

The people who once again blamed the Muslims will you STFU now?

Or will you keep on searching and searching for reasons to make yourselves feel right?

Actually, you can stuff it. I posted that it was an on going problem in that region that dated back over 1000 years, the problems really starting with Roman rule. It then started to get really nasty with the first crusades.

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>Basicaly, it's like L.A. in the middle east.

It's like LA with Orange County run by the Taliban and supported militarily by China. Everything will be fine if all the LA citizens simply live in peace with them . . .

Are you comparing Israel to Taliban?

No, Israel is predominately jewish. I am referring to muslims. I don't recall hearing to much about jews killing jews. I am comparing muslims to muslims...i.e. shiites,sunnis,etc.

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and the cycle continues. So it will never end due to people just like you.
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The Jews have taken a good for nothing piece of land and turned it into a functioning society. No matter how much money you give someone, unless they are willing to step up to the plate, it's useless.

If the Arab brethren actually cared about each other and the welfare of the race, there's enough money there to give everyone a leg up. The fact is they would rather kill a Jew than drill a water well, and plant a garden.

Lebanon was developing nicely until a month ago. Basically, if the country has the support of the US it will thrive. If it doesn't, then it periodically gets blown back into the stone age. Where do you put the blame for lack of development? On the people of the country or the people who consistently aid in the destabilization that country.

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and the cycle continues. So it will never end due to people just like you.

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You crack me up. So the people who started the problem are fine the people fighting back for there land are the cause of the problem??????

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I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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I think this is the fundamental problem for these people. It's sad actually. You see it happening in our own back yard as well. People living in poverty with no hopes of getting out of it become violent, and blame others for their own problem. (think Germany and Hitler...think Compton California...etc) The Jews in Israel, and the Americans in US are a simple scapegoart, due to the fact that we have a middle class that has the opportunity to become something and get out of poverty. The Israeli and American governments have built this into our systems, where as people living in these prehistoric middle east countries do not have opportunity. Of course they are angry and violent...but that's not excuse. We must protect ourselves!

The Jews have taken a good for nothing piece of land and turned it into a functioning society. No matter how much money you give someone, unless they are willing to step up to the plate, it's useless.

If the Arab brethren actually cared about each other and the welfare of the race, there's enough money there to give everyone a leg up. The fact is they would rather kill a Jew than drill a water well, and plant a garden.

I AGREE 100%. I have made this argumanet before.

So guys. Can I take your house and move you guys to the basement if I have the money and support to make your homes and property “Better”? Let me know what your addresses are so I can come and take what is now my property. Oh yea and if you say anything about it I will imprison, torture, or kill you my choice.

Off course you would never want to fight back because you wouldn’t want to be a dirty terrorist right?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Darius the problem is, is that you're only willing to believe that one side is at fault in this war whereas some of us see both sides as the problem. What's the solution you would like to see? For Israel to cease to exist? For the Jewish race to be wipped off of the planet? Why all the hatred? If Muslim's can't co-exist with non-Muslims, then maybe it's time that Muslims be segregated from the rest of the world. You can have your Muslim countries and I promise we won't interfere with their development as religious regimes. But you can't have your cake and eat it at the same time. If the Muslims of the world can't prove to us that you're willing to live with the rest of us, then maybe it's time that all Muslims be expelled from western countries and sent back home to their countries of origin. Kind of a radical solution wouldn't you say? Almost as radical as trying to exterminate and entire race of people.

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I think this is the fundamental problem for these people. It's sad actually. You see it happening in our own back yard as well. People living in poverty with no hopes of getting out of it become violent, and blame others for their own problem. (think Germany and Hitler...think Compton California...etc) The Jews in Israel, and the Americans in US are a simple scapegoart, due to the fact that we have a middle class that has the opportunity to become something and get out of poverty. The Israeli and American governments have built this into our systems, where as people living in these prehistoric middle east countries do not have opportunity. Of course they are angry and violent...but that's not excuse. We must protect ourselves!

The Jews have taken a good for nothing piece of land and turned it into a functioning society. No matter how much money you give someone, unless they are willing to step up to the plate, it's useless.

If the Arab brethren actually cared about each other and the welfare of the race, there's enough money there to give everyone a leg up. The fact is they would rather kill a Jew than drill a water well, and plant a garden.

I AGREE 100%. I have made this argumanet before.

So guys. Can I take your house and move you guys to the basement if I have the money and support to make your homes and property “Better”? Let me know what your addresses are so I can come and take what is now my property. Oh yea and if you say anything about it I will imprison, torture, or kill you my choice.

Off course you would never want to fight back because you wouldn’t want to be a dirty terrorist right?

Dude....why is there so much poverty in a land so rich of oil? Why doesnt the money end up with the people? Why do only the people at the top live off of the rich's of the land. Before balming Jews and Israel, take a look at what your own people are doing to you.

The oil-rich elite live in beautiful palaces, while most of the people live in prehistoric tribe like communities without running water. Sunni' and Shiites fight each other. Thre is no peace in this territory whther Israel is there or not. Israel is just a perfect scapegoat.

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If the Muslims of the world can't prove to us that you're willing to live with the rest of us, then maybe it's time that all Muslims be expelled from western countries and sent back home to their countries of origin. Kind of a radical solution wouldn't you say? Almost as radical as trying to exterminate and entire race of people.

I have recently come to the conclusion that this is becoming the ONLY option..... they will not let us live in peace..then we need a BIG war..... and wipe theri scourge from the face of the earth.

They have a choice.. peace or WAR....they are choosing war over and over....their so called mopderates.. and peace loving people had better reighn them in.. or reap a VERY HOT WIND.

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What if the Palenstinians had been cool to the Jews when they moved in, instead of resenting their presence?

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You are normally a rational guy but I don’t know where you’r coming from.


So your telling me that if your land that you lived on and home was taken and given away you would bake the people who took the land a pie? Come on man be honest? You know that’s full of shit.


And your statement there is part of the problem. The inability to put your self in the shoes of the Palestinians. I really suggest you watch a few documentaries and read a few diaries of the way Palestinians are treated. I am sure if you were treated as they were you would understand their hatred.


As for previous history. The Jews have been persecuted since the beginnings as to the reasons why Jews seem to always get picked on I have no clue. As for what is happening in the Middle East in regards to Israelis. IMHO I believe the reason the Jews are hated is not because they are Jewish but because the one killing and taking the Palestinians homes happen to be Jewish.

So again I say this. If the Israelis were from another planet and had blue skin the Palestinians would hate any one from the planet who had blue skin.

Simple you don’t want people to hate you don’t kill their children, don’t steel their land.

As to historical claim of that land we can discuss that till we are both blue. However it does not change the facts that the people who were moved from that and to make room for the Israelis were the Palestinians. So they lived in that area until it was taken from them.

What really doesn’t make since to me is why didn’t the Israelis get a peace of Germany or some place in Europe? There were no death camps in Palestine? Why did they get the burden of giving up there land?


The most important point is this:

Israelis action is the cause of Israeli hate. Just look at what was done to Lebanon.

Here is how biase the peoples view is
Let’s compare these two incidents.

About 3 weeks before this whole thing there was an explosion on a beach that killed Inocent Arabs. The Israeli investigation showed it was a mine and not a canon shell from their war ships. However independent investigation showed the Israelis were lying and a canon shell caused the explosion.

If Palestine were capable would you have supported them if they destroyed all of Israelis infrastructure?

If not then why do you support the Israelis for doing the same for 3 soldiers not civilians like the people killed on the beach?

Is an Israeli life worth more then an Arab one? Unfortunately it seems that’s the way at least to the US and the west. Maybe that is the reason for the hate and not the reason that their Prophet is Moses considering Muslims considers Moses as a prophet as well.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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So does that mean I can take over your house if you are not taking care of it up to my standards?

You avoided the questions.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Can I take your house and move you guys to the basement if I have the money and support to make your homes and property “Better”?

Like what Syria did to the Palestinian militias in Beirut in about 1976? You may recall that Lebanon used to be a pretty awesome place. Beirut was a great city. Beirut became great partly because of the massive influx of Palestinian refugees from Israel in 1948 and after the 1967 6 Days war. (Note - in 1948, the Palestinians were guaranteed full citizenship and rights in Israel, but left Israel anyway because of distrust)

What happened? Same thing as in Israel and in South Central Los Angeles. Tensions between the native Lebanese and the new Palestinians started boiling over. Did the Palestinians take over the Christian land and steal it? Not any more than the Jewish settlers did.

The PLO had leadership of the Palestinians in Lebanon, and a civil war was starting. Syria sided with the Christians (Syria didn't switch alliances until after it gained dominance of the Lebanese polity) and displaced the Palestinians from Beirut, driving them to South LEbanon. Oh, yeah, Syrians never left. They effectively annexed Lebanon.

No, it doesn't excuse the Israeli massacres of 1982.

But, do you have the same contempt for Syria displacing Palestinians from Beirut? If not, why not? The Palesitnians and Hezbollah are relegated to Southern and NorthEast Lebanon, as well as southern Beirut. They haven't returned, is what I'm saying.

Which draws great parallels with Palestinian ares of the West Bank, Golan Heights, etc. Do you have the same contempt for Syria for its expulsion of Palestinians from the large areas of Beirut?

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Your only looking back 60 + years for who was ther on that land. Keep going back and you'll see the Hebrew People lived there before Islam was even founded.

If you beleive the Dead Sea Skrolls and other ancient texts, this is a Triabl warfare problem that thas just taken "new justification" to continue on its way.

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Where do you put the blame for lack of development? On the people of the country or the people who consistently aid in the destabilization that country.

I'd put it on the people who consistently aid in the destabilization of that country. In the case of Lebanon, many of those people ARE some of the people of the country, while others are not.
Given the qualifier of "consistently", and looking at the history of Lebanon over the past 30 years, the people destabilizing the country were, primarily, the various Shi'ite Muslim militias; the Christian phalangist militias; the PLO for a while in the 1970's and 80's; Iran, for creating, sponsoring, arming and controlling Hezbollah; Hezbollah itself; and – to a huge extent – Syria, which kept its troops in Lebanon, and dominated Lebanon militarily, economically and politically for about 20 years.

Were Israeli military actions and presence in Lebanon also yet one more destabilizing factor? Of course. But it's not like the Israelis ever went into Lebanon to annex the territory and harvest all the cedar trees. They went in reactively, having been provoked by the constant attacks by terrorists lobbing rockets or sending their goons in on cross-border raids to kill people.

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So does that mean I can take over your house if you are not taking care of it up to my standards?

You avoided the questions.

My answer to you was that there is no peace in the region whther the jews are there or not. It has nothing to do with people taking housing. It has to do with the war moguls living in the area

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Darius the problem is, is that you're only willing to believe that one side is at fault in this war whereas some of us see both sides as the problem. What's the solution you would like to see? For Israel to cease to exist? For the Jewish race to be wipped off of the planet? Why all the hatred? If Muslim's can't co-exist with non-Muslims, then maybe it's time that Muslims be segregated from the rest of the world. You can have your Muslim countries and I promise we won't interfere with their development as religious regimes. But you can't have your cake and eat it at the same time. If the Muslims of the world can't prove to us that you're willing to live with the rest of us, then maybe it's time that all Muslims be expelled from western countries and sent back home to their countries of origin. Kind of a radical solution wouldn't you say? Almost as radical as trying to exterminate and entire race of people.

The Issue is that whenever Israeli is mentioned it is viewed as a statement about the Jews.
It is a land dispute. There is an Aggressor and occupier they happen to be Jews.
But being Jewish and suffering a horrible past does not excuse you for Humanity. It should not be a reason for us to turn our heads away and not see the thing that the Israelis have done.


Shooting children in the head for throwing rocks at tanks? Justify that one for me?
Killing an American peace activist by running her over by a bulldozer? What the justification for that?
Firing a canon from a war ship that kills people siting on a beach?

The list goes on and on and on for 58 years of cruelty and inhumane treatment that should not be excused because there Jewish.



Personally I don’t hate or discriminate against any race or religion. I have many friends from all religions and back rounds including Jewish.
I don’t view the Israeli issue as a Jewish problem but an Israeli problem that all people should speak up against.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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You know dude, I've said this to you before, and I'll say it again. You gotta get rid of all that hate. It's eating you alive.

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You support Israel (I am guessing from your posts) and you used the excuse that because that land was not what it is today, because the Israelis have made huge technological advances and have raised the standard of living the Arabs should shut the fuck up.

So I was asking does that apply to you as well. If I can improve your land or home and make it better do I get to kick you out or move you to the shity part of your house like the basement and you would be ok with that?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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I have recently come to the conclusion that this is becoming the ONLY option..... they will not let us live in peace..then we need a BIG war..... and wipe theri scourge from the face of the earth.

They have a choice.. peace or WAR....they are choosing war over and over....their so called mopderates.. and peace loving people had better reighn them in.. or reap a VERY HOT WIND.

I like some of your other posts but on this issue, you scare me. That aside, I have a better solution. I'm tired of this as well and it's in the interest of the US's national and fiscal security to put an end to it. My proposal is to mobilize US Air Force and Navy as well as a few satellites to orbit Israel, Gaza, Lebanon and the West Bank. Any and all Arab and Israeli military vehicles need to return to return to their bases inside of their internationally legally recognized borders. Any movement of those vehicles/aircraft and they will be immediately targeted and destroyed. Any aggressive action or occupational incursion will be met with destructive military force. I don't care who does it. One strike and you're out.
Oh yea, we should also take at least half of the money that we give Israel and use it to rebuild Lebanon and Gaza. Either that, or we take our money, our military hardware and our UN veto pen and go home.

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Once again, some of us see more than one party at fault in this conflict. Hezbollah is guilty on so many fronts for what they do. But they are there to protect their followers. The IDF is guilty on so many fronts for what they do. But they are there to protect their followers.

This latest war was a mistake. Israel under estimated Hezbollah's strength and resolve and by choosing to (predominately) attack by the air, they never did remove the Hezbollah fighters from the ground. All Israel did was destroy Lebanon's infrastructure, destroy some property, destroy some civilian lives and put many civilans more at risk. And for what? What did Israel gain? But it's not all Israel's fault. Hezbollah continues to snub their noses at the international community and continue to wage war when they want to. Both Israel and Hezbollah are equally at fault for the humanitarian crisis Lebanon now finds itself in.

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If I can improve your land or home and make it better do I get to kick you out or move you to the shity part of your house like the basement and you would be ok with that?

They do that all the time in your part of the country... they will condemn you home.. and build what they want... for the better use of all....OR if they can get more tax money.

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You know dude, I've said this to you before, and I'll say it again. You gotta get rid of all that hate. It's eating you alive.

Actually if we ever meet you will see I am as easy going as it gets.

My only hatred is towards ignorance, and People who are inconsiderate of others.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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I have recently come to the conclusion that this is becoming the ONLY option..... they will not let us live in peace..then we need a BIG war..... and wipe theri scourge from the face of the earth.

They have a choice.. peace or WAR....they are choosing war over and over....their so called mopderates.. and peace loving people had better reighn them in.. or reap a VERY HOT WIND.

I like some of your other posts but on this issue, you scare me. That aside, I have a better solution. I'm tired of this as well and it's in the interest of the US's national and fiscal security to put an end to it. My proposal is to mobilize US Air Force and Navy as well as a few satellites to orbit Israel, Gaza, Lebanon and the West Bank. Any and all Arab and Israeli military vehicles need to return to return to their bases inside of their internationally legally recognized borders. Any movement of those vehicles/aircraft and they will be immediately targeted and destroyed. Any aggressive action or occupational incursion will be met with destructive military force. I don't care who does it. One strike and you're out.
Oh yea, we should also take at least half of the money that we give Israel and use it to rebuild Lebanon and Gaza. Either that, or we take our money, our military hardware and our UN veto pen and go home.

Sounds fair and like a good option.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain