Plucky 0 #51 August 17, 2006 Quote The post has now been edited "to be nicer", but their are plenty of non US slaming our gun culture over here which they really do not understand. They act like were all walking around with guns shooting each other when we are pissed off. I did not even read the original post past the first few sentences. ... I don't think you'll find any of my posts (even the bits I edited out) were slamming US gun laws or culture. My original post was about a person resident in a non-UK country, commenting on how UK residents feel about their safety. Careful what you imply, please. - Citizen of the World - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #52 August 17, 2006 I did not mean to sound confrotational in return. Difficult to tell when typing sometimes. Well, if you did follow SC alot, you would find that JohnRich tends to post something about the UK every week or so (probably an exaggeration, but enough that I have taken notice of the frequency). Usually, he posts something inflammatory and then disappears for hours. In contrast, I have seen few thread of late (not going to bother with a search) made by non-US citizens talking about how dangerous America is. In any case, it amuses the hell out of me. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #53 August 17, 2006 Dude I never implied you were slamming US gun laws. Never! Again my point was more in response to comments like this QuoteIt truly staggers me that some people in the US can be so down on a system that they know so little about There is a lot of this going the other way also. The gun laws were just an example. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #54 August 17, 2006 Yes I do follow enough to know JohnRich can get out of control on the UK threads. While I understand the underlying reasons for his posts, sometimes(mostimes) I wish he would just keep the Gun Control fight here in the states. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #55 August 17, 2006 >Is it any more rubbish that the many non-US posters that comment >on how dangerous it is over in the US because of all the gun crime? That's a good comparison, actually. Some foreigners see the pro-gun types claiming they don't want to be "disarmed victims" and see the US through their eyes - as a place where you will be robbed unless you are armed. The reality, of course, is nothing like that. But given how sensationalist news is nowadays, you'd have to be here to understand that - just as you'd have to go to London to see that the story John posted is sensationalist and inaccurate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #56 August 17, 2006 QuoteRacism implies a prejudice without real foundation. A lot of the "America-Bashers" here do so based on specific fact, and don't actually "bash" America per se, but rather criticise various actions of the current administration. And the messages for which I'm being criticized here, involve specific actions of the British government, concerning guns and crime. None of my posts are without foundation. Thus, my actions are no different from those of the America-bashers, according to your theory. And yet I've been accused of being "racist". So I guess you disagree with that assessment toward me? Quote(Always happy to fill in gaps in HomeSchooling) Please spare me your personal insults. It does nothing to bolster your argument, no matter how cute you may think it is. It only makes yourself look bad for doing it. And it's against the rules here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #57 August 17, 2006 QuoteThere didn't seem to be a point to this thread at all. You didn't deliver any point, view, message, query or debate other than regurgitating some shit from another source and waiting for a reaction so stop whinging. I thought the point was obvious in the article: if you're soft on punishing your criminals, they're just going to commit more crimes. Criminals kept in prison, don't commit more crimes. I'm sorry you missed that. Maybe you got so caught-up in the JohnRich-bashing, that you didn't bother to even read the article and therefore note the obvious point. What is "whinging"? If that some British form of whining? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #58 August 17, 2006 Quote“Sir, you have once again attempted to insult my country, usually I would at this point engage you in a battle of wit, yet I see you have only come half prepaired! Good day to you Sir.” Sounds like a challenge to a duel to me.. Well, the individual who made that quote has already lost the intellectual duel: he chose to resort to name-calling instead of addressing the actual subject content. That's a knock-out in round one by me. QuoteJohn, keep it up, it’s good to see how others perceive us. Thank you for your open mind. And thick skin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #59 August 17, 2006 Quotenothing more than a glorified book review... propaganda at it's best, downright lies at it's worse. Google it, and you find a lot of positive reviews. Here's a few of those, which seem to disagree with your assessment: Social Affairs Unit Times Online London Telegraph Raw Carrot British National Party Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #60 August 17, 2006 QuoteJohn, what the fuck do you have against Britain. Are you actually a racist or do you just have nothing better to do than trawl up random bits of shit from the internet and claim them as fact? Getting very boring I don't think it's bashing Britain so much as it is a very deep fear that the kinds of restrictions placed on Brits can happen here in the US if we are not vigilant. I know it seems very odd because clearly we have reached a point in the US where we have little reason to call it a free country anymore, but some of us are desperately trying to hold on to the few freedoms we do have left. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #61 August 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteJohn, what the fuck do you have against Britain. Are you actually a racist or do you just have nothing better to do than trawl up random bits of shit from the internet and claim them as fact? Getting very boring I don't think it's bashing Britain so much as it is a very deep fear that the kinds of restrictions placed on Brits can happen here in the US if we are not vigilant. I know it seems very odd because clearly we have reached a point in the US where we have little reason to call it a free country anymore, but some of us are desperately trying to hold on to the few freedoms we do have left. Walt Walt, the best comedian ever.... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #62 August 17, 2006 We have our own problems in the US judical system. example the Child pervs serve their time and then are releaseed to reoffend until the next time their caught. The sicko's in fla & Idaho are a case in point. These people can not be cured. requireing all sex offender's ito register is a joke since the reall sicko's won't register anyway. Don't know the solution to the problem. Do the brits have a better way of dealing with child sex offenders than in the US. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #63 August 17, 2006 Quote British National Party Because thats likely to be a rational viewpoint of course..... I would have left that one OFF the list.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #64 August 17, 2006 That is a nice thought, but I get the strong feeling it is more like, "No really, you suck worse than we do." There has been nothing indicating these are "warnings" for Americans.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #65 August 17, 2006 Quote... a lot of positive reviews. Here's a few of those, which seem to disagree with your assessment: British National Party Well. If the British National Party approve of it, then that's enough for me! Just to put icing on the cake though, The Times Online review ISN'T positive (read it). The Telegraph article is by... David Fraser (the author of this wonderful book, heartily recommended by The British Nazi National Party. Blair Gibb (BNP Member) wrote the review in the Social Affairs Unit ('nuff said). Raw Carrot is nothing more than a Blog by a right wing individual (with a weapons fixation) Amazon of course does "peer reviews". Think I'll write one for this drivel once I've read it. However, I think I'll wait until it's being sold for 50p in the Surplus-Book stores. Shouldn't take long. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #66 August 17, 2006 I do disagree there. John as repeatedly used this explanation in his many threads on violence overseas. Many times. I'll give him that. His reasoning has been clear I have thought That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #67 August 17, 2006 QuoteQuote“Sir, you have once again attempted to insult my country, usually I would at this point engage you in a battle of wit, yet I see you have only come half prepaired! Good day to you Sir.” Sounds like a challenge to a duel to me.. Well, the individual who made that quote has already lost the intellectual duel: he chose to resort to name-calling instead of addressing the actual subject content. That's a knock-out in round one by me. QuoteJohn, keep it up, it’s good to see how others perceive us. Thank you for your open mind. And thick skin. A duel sound fun! I like the way you selectivly chose to ignore my later post which did actually address you post as requested. Instead you chose to sulk and fell sorry for yourself. What a pity, i actually thought you wanted to discuss the subject for a moment instead of which i discover you'd rather go eat worms. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #68 August 17, 2006 There is a difference between posting "My fellow Americans, we must ensure that our country stays strong in our right to bear arms lest our country ends up like this" and "Hey, rest of the world, you are wrong that taking weapons away makes you safer and here is some data to prove it." I definitely feel the essence of the latter, not the former, but whatever. It makes for interesting posts. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #69 August 17, 2006 Quote. Some foreigners see the pro-gun types claiming they don't want to be "disarmed victims" and see the US through their eyes - as a place where you will be robbed unless you are armed. The reality, of course, is nothing like that. Yes very true. It kind of drives me nuts actually. I can understand how foreigners could come to that conclusion listening to some of the Pro Gun arguements on here. While I am on their side(pro gun),it seems people take it overboard. It leaves people like me, who enjoy guns but don't really think about self defence, left out of many threads wishing the Pro gun Americans would quit leaving that impression. I don't pack heat and I don't have a loaded weapon in my home either. Not that I am against it at all though. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #70 August 17, 2006 >While I am on their side(pro gun),it seems people take it overboard. > It leaves people like me, who enjoy guns but don't really think > about self defence, left out of many threads wishing the Pro gun > Americans would quit leaving that impression. I feel the same way. I like shooting, and I think every sane law abiding adult should be able to own a gun if they want to. But here I'm often called a "gun o phobe" or something because I don't see them as some sort of grand solution for society's ills, or as mandatory for everyone who doesn't want to be seen as a "sheep." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squarecanopy 0 #71 August 17, 2006 One interesting fact in support of John's post is that in light of the fact that private gun ownership is illegal in the great land of Britain, there should be no crime or preying upon the unarmed by the armed. The truth is that in London alone there are 375 armed bank robberies per year, with the robbers toting everything from 6 shot revolvers to automatic 40 round machine pistols. Is this a case of "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"??!!!Damn good thing that I can own a gun at my house or place of business so that when some maniac comes through the door waving his Uzi I don't have to try and fight him off with my nightstick like the bobbies in London... Just burning a hole in the sky..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #72 August 17, 2006 <> - Intersting statistic. I'd love to see the source, please. . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #73 August 17, 2006 Another interesting fact is that, even in the wake of police officers being shot, the rank & file of Britain's Police Service DON'T want to be routinely issued firearms. British culture simply isn't pro-gun-ownership (how many times has this been said in similar circumstances). Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #74 August 17, 2006 So if someone come into your workplace with an uzi you'd put yourself and the other people present in danger by engaging in a gun fight? This is the trouble with Joe public, John McLaine (sp?) wannabees A firearm really is a last resort, its the final resolution in conflict management. When your life or someone elses is in iminent danger you should feel justified to use it. Sometimes it would be more appropriate to just keep your head down and comply. I don't know if you receive any formal training before possessing and handling a firearm (I don't just mean how to shoot but conflict resolution also) but I am scared if you don't. I seen the stupid reckless videos of unneccesary shootouts when robberies occur (normally as an offender is trying to leave the premises with their haul) and think this is a ridiculous situation. Let them go, you put yourself and others in no danger and live to work another day and hopefully give some good evidence. And if by nightstick you mean a PR24 baton London police aren't issued those, I believe they carry ASP F21B batons. Also in London paticularly there are many specialist armed response units who believe it or not respond to armed incidents as well as diplomatic protection group etc. I believe (and so do 95% of police officers) that we are equipped adequately to deal with what we need to. This wasn't a gun thread but seems to have turned that way. Sorry guys... here we go again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #75 August 17, 2006 QuoteOne interesting fact in support of John's post is that in light of the fact that private gun ownership is illegal in the great land of Britain, there should be no crime or preying upon the unarmed by the armed. The truth is that in London alone there are 375 armed bank robberies per year, with the robbers toting everything from 6 shot revolvers to automatic 40 round machine pistols. Is this a case of "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"??!!!Damn good thing that I can own a gun at my house or place of business so that when some maniac comes through the door waving his Uzi I don't have to try and fight him off with my nightstick like the bobbies in London... Private ownership of firearms is not illegal in the UK, you can own Shotguns, .22 Semi Automatic Rifles, .38 Carbines, Full bore single shot rifles, Black powder and nitro charged Pistols and you can keep them at home, I know someone who has a .357 revolver with a fixed folding stock, again LEGAL. Armed doesn't mean just firearms but anything from a cudgel to a knife. As for the poor old defencless Bobbies in London....Times change CO19 (MET Police firearms unit) provides courses and refresher training for firearms officers and more than 2,000 officers attend training courses every eight weeks.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
