Is Bush an Idiot?

[skymiles 3]

Of course not. Not smart enough to be a good and effective president, but certainly not an idiot.

What is surprising however, is who asked this question. Last night on MSNBC’s Scarborough Country, Joe Scarborough, a conservative commentator and former Republican Congressman, had a segment called “Is Bush an Idiot”.

It’s becoming clear that Republicans too are increasingly turning against Bush.

Phil

[miked10270 0]

The word I'd choose forst is "Incompetent".

I'd also suggest that Dubbie would be incapable of controlling his bowels in public were it not for the fact that Phony-Tony is so malleable that he fits perfectly into Dubbie's arsehole.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[christelsabine 1]

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The word I'd choose forst is "Incompetent".

I'd also suggest that Dubbie would be incapable of controlling his bowels in public were it not for the fact that Phony-Tony is so malleable that he fits perfectly into Dubbie's arsehole.

Woah! Mike! Street language!

Excuse an alien for fllw question: Did you mean ..."in public, where it's not...." or" ..... in public were IF not...."
(I think the latter) - sorry, it's late...

And to answer the question of original poster:

Yes!

But he's in good company: Our Mrs. Chancellor Dr. Merkel is an idiot, too! She admires Mr, Bush!

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[BRIDGEWOOD 0]

I don't think you get to be the president of the free world by being an "idiot". I do, however, think that Mr. Bush should exercise caution when opening his mouth. He's not the most eliquentialistic person ya see.....

[quade 4]

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. . . eliquentialistic . . .

Uh, is that a word?

I'm guessing you meant "eloquent". If so, I agree with you in part; the man is not eloquent.

BTW, he's not the president of the free world; only the U.S. and only that for a couple more years.

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[BirdBabe1 0]

Bush is here to lead a nation, but he can't control the world. Especially the destiny of time that's already been laid out before this forum was ever created.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Of course not. Not smart enough to be a good and effective president,

success in that job is about a heck of a lot more than IQ.

He's no dummy, but I'd rather not see a daughter bring him home to dinner.

[lawrocket 3]

No. He's not an idiot. He was smart enough to defeat Gore and Kerry, right? What would that make them?

I would also say that he has been effective as a POTUS. How does one determine effectiveness of a President? By whether or not his policies are implemented. He's managed to get Congressional approval for all kinds of things he wanted to do. He got a war going, lowered taxes, and got the economy doing fairly well - better than when he took over - and even managed to trample on some human rights.

He's been effective at doing what he wanted to do. My disagreement with Bush is that I disagree with what he's doing.

Come one, people - wouldn't many of us have preferred that he was ineffective as a POTUS? The gripe is that he HAS been effective, and many of us don't like what he's been effective at doing.

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[billvon 3,006]

>He was smart enough to defeat Gore and Kerry, right?

If it was an intelligence contest, I would agree. However, it would be more accurate to say that he was popular enough to defeat Gore and Kerry.

>He's been effective at doing what he wanted to do.

Agreed there. The most desireable presidents (in my book) are those who do their job and nothing more. The ones that start wars, change constitutional protections, erode freedoms etc may be getting a lot done, but that's not their job.

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No. He's not an idiot.... his policies are implemented... effective at doing what he wanted to do. My disagreement with Bush is that I disagree with what he's doing.

So... Nixon-Effective then? The question is whether it's been him, or his daddy's close advisors - the ones who went to The White-House with him.

The Kremlin released some of the old Politburo stuff from back when Reagan was shot. They were terrified that Reagan would die and they'd have to deal with Bush Snr. who was seen as someone who would prolong & intensify the Cold War for it's own sake.

I can hardly wait (on so many levels) for other national leaders memories of Dubbie once he's left the Presidency.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[BRIDGEWOOD 0]

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. . . eliquentialistic . . .

Uh, is that a word?

I'm guessing you meant "eloquent". If so, I agree with you in part; the man is not eloquent.

BTW, he's not the president of the free world; only the U.S. and only that for a couple more years.

No, that's not a word. It was meant as sarcasm. You know......sarcasmiscism as W. might say.

[lawrocket 3]

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The ones that start wars, change constitutional protections, erode freedoms etc may be getting a lot done, but that's not their job.

Agreed. Sadly, the American public doesn't seem to see it that way. The past 75 years have been of presidents starting wars, pushing through changes in constitutional protections and erosions of freedoms.

For the wars, we know what FDR (WWII - though justified), Truman (Korea), not really Eisenhower, Kennedy (Vietnam, Cuba dealings), Johnson (intensifying Vietnam), Nixon (though he ultimately helped get us out), not Ford, Carter (foiled Iranian escapade), reagan (Grenada, Lebanon), Bush, Sr. (Panama, Gulf War I), Clinton (a series of minor involvements, i.e. Bosnia) and Bush II had their wars.

And all have eroded freedoms. Every president has signed laws. Laws, by their nature, limit conduct.

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[peckerhead 0]

I think he is an idiot.

At least he plays one on TV

[tbrown 26]

I think he's still an alcoholic. I know he SAYS he made up his mind to quit drinking years ago and that was that, but like anything else he says, I think he's lying.

When I look at the confused look on his face and hear his slurring mispronunciation of words, he looks and sounds like a drunk. He not only can't put a sentence together, he can't even express an IDEA, without pausing, getting frustrated and then falling back on something really lame, like "the haters of freedom". I'm talking about real times he gets cornered by the cameras, like last year after Hurricane Katrina, or this year during the recent war in Lebanon, or the foiled terrorist plot in London. The guy is just plain FUCKED UP, as in "had one too many" and I'm betting the Secret Service have given him cold showers and pots of coffee more times than they'd care to admit.

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No. He's not an idiot. He was smart enough to defeat Gore and Kerry, right? What would that make them?

I would also say that he has been effective as a POTUS. How does one determine effectiveness of a President? By whether or not his policies are implemented. He's managed to get Congressional approval for all kinds of things he wanted to do. He got a war going, lowered taxes, and got the economy doing fairly well - better than when he took over - and even managed to trample on some human rights.

He's been effective at doing what he wanted to do. My disagreement with Bush is that I disagree with what he's doing.

Come one, people - wouldn't many of us have preferred that he was ineffective as a POTUS? The gripe is that he HAS been effective, and many of us don't like what he's been effective at doing.

Right, but when Congress and the SCOTUS is packed with your cronies, it's hard to not be effective.... has zero to do with intelligence / idiocy.

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The ones that start wars, change constitutional protections, erode freedoms etc may be getting a lot done, but that's not their job.

Agreed. Sadly, the American public doesn't seem to see it that way. The past 75 years have been of presidents starting wars, pushing through changes in constitutional protections and erosions of freedoms.

For the wars, we know what FDR (WWII - though justified), Truman (Korea), not really Eisenhower, Kennedy (Vietnam, Cuba dealings), Johnson (intensifying Vietnam), Nixon (though he ultimately helped get us out), not Ford, Carter (foiled Iranian escapade), reagan (Grenada, Lebanon), Bush, Sr. (Panama, Gulf War I), Clinton (a series of minor involvements, i.e. Bosnia) and Bush II had their wars.

And all have eroded freedoms. Every president has signed laws. Laws, by their nature, limit conduct.

Not all presidents errode freedoms.

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I think he's still an alcoholic. I know he SAYS he made up his mind to quit drinking years ago and that was that, but like anything else he says, I think he's lying.

When I look at the confused look on his face and hear his slurring mispronunciation of words, he looks and sounds like a drunk. He not only can't put a sentence together, he can't even express an IDEA, without pausing, getting frustrated and then falling back on something really lame, like "the haters of freedom". I'm talking about real times he gets cornered by the cameras, like last year after Hurricane Katrina, or this year during the recent war in Lebanon, or the foiled terrorist plot in London. The guy is just plain FUCKED UP, as in "had one too many" and I'm betting the Secret Service have given him cold showers and pots of coffee more times than they'd care to admit.

Well put..... anyone want a pretzell?

[peckerhead 0]

I am not so sure I buy that....

I have been around some very witty drunks. (especially at the DZ!) Quick, snappy comebacks even after a few cold ones is the norm for someone with a little brain power.

He ain't got it.

Of course his dumb, goofy, country boy persona could just be an act.

Maybe he really is an evil genius?

[billvon 3,006]

One of the reasons I don't watch CNN.

He's certainly not the sharpest tack in the drawer, but debating whether or not he's an idiot isn't news - it's the same sort of hate-building nonsense that the Ann Coulters of the world engage in. They have a pretty good market share. It's too bad they don't use it to discuss issues critical to the people of the US (and there are plenty of those.)

[quade 4]

Uh, Bill . . . says right on it . . . MSNBC.

Not CNN.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[billvon 3,006]

> Uh, Bill . . . says right on it . . . MSNBC.

You're right. I tend to mash all those "headline news" shows together.

[rickjump1 0]

CNN's Lou Dobbs does hold the President's feet to the fire, but he does it in a civil manner. Like "Why is the President Ignoring Our Laws". Bush needs more PR like this. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/25/dobbs.july26/index.html

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[Zenister 0]

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I don't think you get to be the president of the free world by being an "idiot". I do, however, think that Mr. Bush should exercise caution when opening his mouth. He's not the most eliquentialistic person ya see.....

sure you do.. it a popularity contest.. all you have to do is smile and read the teleprompter. In fact being more intelligent than the voting public appears to be a DISADVANTAGE in being elected.. they want someone they can relate to, not someone who makes an effective leader..

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[Jaden 0]

*** they want someone they can relate to, not someone who makes an effective leader.. ***


Bush isn't an idiot but he does have some fucked up views. He's proven he isn't qualified to run this country.

On a different note I've noticed that honesty in society is not appreciated. If you stand out, you are a leper, so to speak. It's unfortunate that individuality is so unacceptable. We were born with it, then we bend & shape to blend in with everyone else. I recently discovered, I don't mind being an odd-ball. Be yourself & change for no one.

Edit: I agree with that, Quade. I'd love to see an honest libertarian in office.

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Honesty in this society is not appreciated.
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Be yourself & change for no one.

Part of the issue though is that a LOT of people don't think he's honest.

Starts with the 10 gallon hat and his attempt to appear to be a southern good ol' boy when in fact he is pretty much as far away from that in reality as is possible.

3rd generation politician. Ivy league educated (yet it sure as hell doesn't show). Belongs to one of the most well conected families of oil barons and is friendly with the royal family of the country who principally orchestrated 9/11.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver