pirana 0 #76 August 17, 2006 QuoteI dont see humor in farts, maybe I should be terminated as well. When voting and writing my opinion I forget for a split second this was a poll in a skydiving website, a sport where people are selfish and live for themselves usually. You can not imagine the joy a downs child brings to his or her parents and to the world. Hopefully the ones who would kill a downs child cant reproduce, that way they wont pass on their ignorance on the disease and make more baby killers. Everyone lives for themself. People do the things they do to make themselves happy, including having or not having children. I do not believe there is any such thing as perfect altruism. Even Mother Theresa helped others because it made her feel good. Everyone acts out what makes THEM feel good." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #77 August 17, 2006 QuoteEveryone lives for themself. People do the things they do to make themselves happy, including having or not having children. I do not believe there is any such thing as perfect altruism. Even Mother Theresa helped others because it made her feel good. Everyone acts out what makes THEM feel good. That's amazing. I once said this in an open discussion in sociology class and was repeatedly questioned by people trying to think up things they do that are only for good and not for themselves. In the end, people ran out of things. I happily accepted my "A". Of course I believe in the idea of altruism, but not perfect altruism as there are no absolutes.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #78 August 17, 2006 Quote Everyone lives for themself. People do the things they do to make themselves happy, including having or not having children. I do not believe there is any such thing as perfect altruism. Even Mother Theresa helped others because it made her feel good. Everyone acts out what makes THEM feel good. And that about sums it up for me. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #79 August 17, 2006 The 4 months is what makes this a tough issue for me. Without frontal lobe activity, there is no awareness. Without awareness, there is no humanity. Up to that point (can't remember how many weeks that is) I have absolutely no problem with elective abortion - and the reason matters not. Once you get frontal lobe activity everything changes. It goes from living tissue with the potential to be human to a human within a human, aware of it's surroundings." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #80 August 17, 2006 QuoteThe 4 months is what makes this a tough issue for me. Without frontal lobe activity, there is no awareness. Without awareness, there is no humanity. Up to that point (can't remember how many weeks that is) I have absolutely no problem with elective abortion I think some people believe the "potential" for life/probability of it is just as important as actual life.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #81 August 17, 2006 QuoteAnd that about sums it up for me. I don't like what SC is doing to our relationship, Rob. I insist your foil hat is really steel. There. I feel better.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #82 August 17, 2006 Hey, SC is more my domain than yours. Stop coming in here and saying things I agree with. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #83 August 17, 2006 Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #84 August 18, 2006 QuoteI never said I was judging you. I did say I was tired of hearing your opinion shoved down others throats. Then don't read them. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #85 August 18, 2006 QuoteIf we dont reproduce then we have no future One thing this planet is not short of is humans. 1 billion in 1804 2 billion in 1927 (123 years later) 3 billion in 1960 ( 33 years later) 4 billion in 1974 ( 14 years later) 5 billion in 1987 ( 13 years later) 6 billion in 1999 ( 12 years later) Until we address this fundamental problem everything else we do, in the long run, is futile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #86 August 18, 2006 True. With more and more people on it, the planet is getting heavier, and it will eventually fall down... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #87 August 18, 2006 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You chose a hard point in the pregnancy. 3rd month would be no problem to me. 4th is harder. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteI'm sure she chose the point deliberately, but I completely agree with you. I honestly don't think that a fetus is a person up to a point. That point probably comes in the 4th month, but there is no exact point. The the problem with amniocentesis is that it diagnoses late enough to make this decision a possibility at this point.Some people believe that if you can prevent a child from taking its first breath it's not a person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,456 #88 August 18, 2006 QuoteSome people believe that if you can prevent a child from taking its first breath it's not a person. And there are other people who probably should be holding funerals for every menstrual pad when the woman has not been celibate, because there might be a fertilized egg on it. What's your point? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #89 August 18, 2006 QuoteId adopt a diabled child. Well then. Off you go. Lets see the pics on Monday, shall we? I'm pretty sure you won't though. Talk is cheap. Living with consequence for 50 years is not. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #90 August 18, 2006 There's some comedian that did a joke similiar to that. It was funny then, too.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,456 #91 August 18, 2006 I didn't come up with it, I saw it on the internet . But, well, it does show the other extreme. This is a touchy subject. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #92 August 18, 2006 I know, and I don't necessarily find it funny b/c I agree or disagree. I just like it when people are not so PC and are not easily offended. I'm very open-minded, love thy neighbor no matter what their race, creed or sexual preference. But, I still know that some stereotypes ARE true and very funny to joke about.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #93 August 18, 2006 QuoteTalk is cheap. But adoption isnt, you pay the fees and Ill take the kidsSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #94 August 18, 2006 So first you say "Id adopt a diabled child." and now you put down the conditions? So if I win the lottery this weekend, are we still on? Or are there "other" conditions? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #95 August 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteTalk is cheap. But adoption isnt, you pay the fees and Ill take the kids Wait, so you'd pay the cost associated with having your own disabled child but you wouldn't save one from an adoption home because it costs too much? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #96 August 18, 2006 Has nothing to do with it costing to much, if I had the money to afford to pay the adoption fees I would. Thats not a condition, its the lack of ability to afford to get through the adoption process. Different agencys charge different amounts, and anywhere between 5 to 40 grand. If I had the money and got approved I would adopt. If I had a disabled child of my own (which I can not bear more children) the costs come as life comes. Not in one chunk such as a fee just to give birth.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaoskitty 0 #97 August 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteI never said I was judging you. I did say I was tired of hearing your opinion shoved down others throats. Then don't read them. Quit replying to my posts.. and I wont. I dont spend nearly as much time on this site as I used to and I'm not a premier member anymore because of all of the bullshit. The majority of it comes from about 5 people. Its OK to say this stuff in speakers corner right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #98 August 18, 2006 Dont mind him, this stuff belongs in SC, its how it works, none of us will ever be in complete agreement and just as my opinion is worth something so is yours, regardless if you disagree with me.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #99 August 18, 2006 QuoteBut adoption isnt, you pay the fees and Ill take the kids If you are adopting 'special needs' children, most states waive or pay the fees. You get tax breaks. You get paid a stipend to adopt them. Many agencies provide funding for these types of adoptions as well. If you truly want to adopt a child with special needs, do some serious looking into it. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #100 August 18, 2006 QuoteIf you truly want to adopt a child with special needs, do some serious looking into it. Thank you, I already have, and will continue to. Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
