yjumpinoz 0 #26 August 18, 2006 Bombing from an airplane is a duty from an order. Where is the order for a suicide bomber? Is it allah or the government? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #27 August 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf your flying at thousands of feet above the grounds shooting a guy riding a Lama it is not really considered a courageous act is it? You assume that whatever is not "courageous" is therefore "cowardly". Doesn't follow. (BTW, there are no llamas in Afghanistan or Iraq. They use camels, and they hardly ever ride them.) Combat pilots are not cowards, even though they may not be facing the same threats as ground troops. The ground troops don't consider them cowards, and are damn glad to have them on our side when needed. This coming from a former ground troop who has had his bacon saved by "cowardly" pilots flying at 10,000 ft. Oh, and I also respect the courage of a suicide bomber who attacks a military target. They are not cowards either, even though we may not agree with their position. This also coming from someone who was nearly killed by a suicide bomber. - Dan G - Dan G Will you be happy with not as brave instead of coward?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #28 August 18, 2006 QuoteBombing from an airplane is a duty from an order. Where is the order for a suicide bomber? Is it allah or the government? You asume that all suicide bomers are Muslims. The largest proportion of suicide bombers are not, they are SriLankan Tamils. mainly Hindu and Jains Why do they do it? For political reasons nationalist reasons.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #29 August 18, 2006 QuoteWill you be happy with not as brave instead of coward? I don't think "not as brave" is the point. People have different jobs. The person firing rockets from miles away one day may be ordered to go lead a direct assault the next. Or he may be ordered to go blow himself up. The combat pilot in Afghanistan bombing Taliban fighters from 10,000ft. one year may be called upon to fight against advanced North Korean anti-air defenses in the future. Anyone who signs on to defend their homeland is, in my book, worthy of respect. When you refuse to give your enemy the respect he deserves, you are surely going to be beaten. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yjumpinoz 0 #30 August 18, 2006 If I am wrong I apologize, but I would like to see that evidence.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outrager 6 #31 August 18, 2006 QuoteI'd LOVE to see you call a Cobra pilot a coward to his face. Did you miss "safe distance" and"defenceless targets" parts? Neither applies to chopper pilots. Remember, we are discussing word definitions here, not "which side the subject is on" Quote Since you haven't blown yourself up or flown a plane into a building of civillians, you must be a coward. You failed your logic class. This merely means i am not a hero bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #32 August 18, 2006 ROFLMAO! YOU failed the same class. Why do you call these pilots cowards rather than simply "not heroes" too? Ah. your illogical, anti USA biases are showing. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dolph 0 #33 August 18, 2006 Hi Darius. In what situations would you support suicide attacks against civilians. In what situations is the martyrdom and to be applauded? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outrager 6 #34 August 18, 2006 QuoteROFLMAO! YOU failed the same class. Why do you call these pilots cowards rather than simply "not heroes" too? Ah. your illogical, anti USA biases are showing. Dude... if you do "A", you are "H". If you do "B", you are "C". If you do neither A nor B, you are neither "Hero" nor "Coward". Not blowing yourself up is necessary, but not sufficient to be "Coward". Bombing defenseless enemy form a safe distance is both necessary and sufficient to be "Coward". This applies to B-52 pilots and does not apply to chopper pilots. bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #35 August 18, 2006 QuoteHi Darius. In what situations would you support suicide attacks against civilians. In what situations is the martyrdom and to be applauded? I don’t support the loss of inocent lives under any circumstance. I do understand why it is done in the case of the Palestinians. It is the only way they can fight back as you know they do not have the sophisticated military equipment that Israel has. They hit what they can. They simply do not have the options that the Israelis have. Also Israel has along history of killing civilians. It is hard to follow the rules when the stronger side has no regards for any rules.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #36 August 18, 2006 QuoteBombing defenseless enemy form a safe distance is both necessary and sufficient to be "Coward". This applies to B-52 pilots You obviously know nothing about how many bomber pilots have been shot down and become POWs over the years. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #37 August 18, 2006 QuoteIt is the only way they can fight back how about trying peace rather than fighting? QuoteIt is hard to follow the rules when the stronger side has no regards for any rules. what set of rules would that be? you keep bringing up the damage to civilian population as a vioaltion of the rules, ignoring the fact that conducting warfare from within civilian population is a more serious violation of these rules. you can't pick and chose the rules you like. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #38 August 18, 2006 It's like the proud members of the IRA who believe and feel so strongly that what they are doing is right that when they have a march or public gathering they all wear balaclavas Now they are fucking cowards Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #39 August 18, 2006 >you must be a coward. Your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #40 August 18, 2006 Quote>you must be a coward. Your one warning. Sorry, I was only following his logic. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outrager 6 #41 August 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteBombing defenseless enemy form a safe distance is both necessary and sufficient to be "Coward". This applies to B-52 pilots You obviously know nothing about how many bomber pilots have been shot down and become POWs over the years. Oh dear, so you failed your reading classes as well... what part of "defenseless enemy" and "safe distance" did you miss? We were using Afganistan as an example. Same doesn't apply to WW1 or WW2. Pilots in those wars were "Heroes". bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #42 August 18, 2006 Quotehow about trying peace rather than fighting? Will that’s kind of difficult when Israel form of diplomacy is destroying a nation, targeting civilians, and blowing up UN observation sites. Peace can only be lasting if it follows Justice. You can not bring tanks in bulldoze homes and then wonder why they are trying to kill you. As for the rules: I am referring to International law, UN resolutions, and the basic rules of humanity. You know for a fact that the UN has tried many times to make stricter UN resolutions for Israel and the only reason they have not been passed is because the United States Vetoes them. Why do you think the UN tries to pass stricture resolutions? Maybe it is because they find many of Israelis actions as Inhuman and criminal.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #43 August 18, 2006 QuoteWill that’s kind of difficult when Israel form of diplomacy is destroying a nation, targeting civilians, and blowing up UN observation sites. you mean fighting back after we were attacked from this nation's teritory, hitting civilians while targeting the terrorists who shoot behind them and accidently blowing up a UN post that was swarming by Hezbollah fighters (as one of the UN observers on site reported) ? QuoteWhy do you think the UN tries to pass stricture resolutions? Maybe it is because they find many of Israelis actions as Inhuman and criminal. I have a feeling its more because of the automatic arab/muslim majority in the UN. that's the main reason Israel is on debate in the UN more than any other nation in the world. the US veto is actually saving the UN from becoming a complete joke. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #44 August 18, 2006 QuoteAs for the mothers allowing their sons to be martyrs it is a cultural thing. I guess the best comparison would be the Kamikaze pilots.Kamikaze pilots were airmen fighting in a legitimate war against other soldiers and sailors. They weren't pretending to be going about daily life, while attempting to destroy the lives of innocent bystanders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #45 August 18, 2006 QuotePeace can only be lasting if it follows JusticeGet over the justice thing already. We should have let Israel finish the job until it was game over. When someone beats you in an honest game and proves they are the better man, are you looking to stick a knife in their back the first chance you get? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BRIDGEWOOD 0 #46 August 18, 2006 I'm gonna get flamed for this but I don't realy care. Those who wish to blow themselves up should go for it. That's one less friggin moron on this planet! It is a testament to the stupidity of the hardline muslim, in that he has to resort to such measures rather than developing technology to assault or defend himself. All I ever hear and see is rhetoric from these people. You want death to America then bring it!!! Stop hiding behind masks and disguising bombs under your clothes. Put on a uniform like we do so we know who we are killing. Stop hiding behind inocent civillians and blowing up mosques while people worship. There is nothing brave about that. It is the coward who hides in the shadows. I HAVE ZERO RESPECT FOR YOU. Oh, and someone tries to take my land, be it Indian, Irishman, or Walmart greeter, they will taste my boot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #47 August 18, 2006 Yea, I hear the Indians are planning to invade TexasWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #48 August 18, 2006 QuoteI'm gonna get flamed for this but I don't realy care. Those who wish to blow themselves up should go for it. That's one less friggin moron on this planet! It is a testament to the stupidity of the hardline muslim, in that he has to resort to such measures rather than developing technology to assault or defend himself. All I ever hear and see is rhetoric from these people. You want death to America then bring it!!! Stop hiding behind masks and disguising bombs under your clothes. Put on a uniform like we do so we know who we are killing. Stop hiding behind inocent civillians and blowing up mosques while people worship. There is nothing brave about that. It is the coward who hides in the shadows. I HAVE ZERO RESPECT FOR YOU. Oh, and someone tries to take my land, be it Indian, Irishman, or Walmart greeter, they will taste my boot. Yeah. They surely will feel sad as you show ZERO RESPECT for them, that's for sure. Scary, your threat. Rest assured, at least no Indian will take away his land from you (or was it the other way round?). There are only few left, last time I checked. Yeah. Boots made of leather? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BRIDGEWOOD 0 #49 August 19, 2006 QuoteYea, I hear the Indians are planning to invade Texas Please don't take what I say out of context. I don't mean any disrespect to any nationality. It was a reply to the person who said they'd give their land back to the indians as it was originally theirs. Frankly, I think that's bullshit. Why don't we give california and texas back to the mexicans and louisianna back to the french? Israel is damn sure not gonna give their land back to the palestinians. With regard to the other statements I thought it would be pretty clear I was talking about Islamic Fascists and those who wish harm upon america and innocent civilians of their own race. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #50 August 19, 2006 No worries i was just having a giggleWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
