Article about Judaism and Disproportionate Retaliation

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Written by: Yashiko Sagamori and Zack Lieberger

"During the first stage of Israel's war against Hezbollah, when everybody agreed that the Israeli response to the new, deadly round of unprovoked Arab aggression was “disproportionate”, I suddenly realized that Jews, in every respect, are an extremely disproportionate nation. Although only one in 400 people on earth is Jewish, we exert so much influence on everything that's happening on this planet that most people sincerely believe that we control the world through some imaginary, evil Zionist conspiracy.

We have been disproportionately overrepresented in practically every human endeavor, from the list of Nobel laureates, to the gas chambers of Auschwitz. Our contribution to the wellbeing of this planet has been grotesquely disproportionate, and even more disproportionate has been the hatred the planet pays us back with.

In recent days, months, and weeks, there have been a slew of cases when Jews were accused of murdering Arabs, who were in fact murdered by other Arabs. For example, does anyone still remember the Arab family that was killed in an explosion on a beach somewhere in Gaza? It happened just before the last round of war began in earnest. During the few days it took to prove beyond any doubt that the explosion was not caused by an Israeli artillery shell, mankind was enthusiastically mourning yet another batch of innocent civilian victims at the hands of those bloodthirsty Jews. As soon as it became clear that the explosion was caused by a mine left on a public beach by Arabs and, therefore, Israel was innocent of that particular murder, the planet promptly forgot both the incident and the victims.

Since that episode was anything but unique, it must be clear why Jews, rather than anyone else, killed Jesus. Even today, if someone managed to prove that Jesus was killed by Arabs (or North Koreans, or Cubans, or the KGB, or the Khmer Rouge, or the Hutu, or anybody at all except Jews, like, for example, the Romans), Christianity would end. Within a week, nobody would remember who Jesus was, no matter how many tables he had overturned at the Temple. Anybody can kill, but those (allegedly! allegedly!) killed by Jews automatically become martyrs, saints, and, in some rare cases, especially when the victim happens to be Jewish (you didn't think Jesus was an Episcopalian or a Russian Orthodox, did you?), other people's gods.

That's disproportionate.

But let's theorize a little. Let us imagine that, instead of trying to please anti-Semites, Jews decided to react proportionately to every offense. The worst Jew-haters, the most avid murderers of Jews in the modern world are Muslims. They outnumber Jews approximately 100 to 1. Therefore, if we want to stick to the proportion, every time a Muslim hurts a Jew, we have to hurt 100 Muslims.

For example, when Arabs destroyed the Tomb of Joseph and murdered Rabbi Lieberman who was hoping to salvage some of the books that had been kept at the site, Jews should have destroyed 100 mosques of similar historical significance and murder 100 mullahs. That, in addition to taking the Tomb of Joseph back and making sure that no Arab could ever again approach within shooting distance.

In retaliation for the recent terrorist act in Seattle, we should have forced our way into 100 Muslim organizations in the United States, killed 100 Muslim women and injured 500 others, 300 of them critically.

How should Israel have responded to the murder of a Tali Hatuel, a pregnant Israeli woman, and her four daughters, Hila, Hadar, Roni, and Mirav? By putting to death 100 pregnant Arab women along with 400 of their cute little children.

When the cannibalistic mob in Ramallah literally tore apart two Israeli reservists, Vadim Norzhich and Yosef Avrahami, Israel sent a helicopter to bomb the police station where the murder took place. As usual, the Israeli response was criticized as disproportionate, although the cowards in charge made sure that the building was empty at the time of the retaliation. What would be a proportionate response to that murder? Round up 200 young Arab men from the area, tie them up, line them next to each other on the main street in Ramallah, and slowly roll a bulldozer over them. If you think that's inhumane, give them some Novocain before you start the bulldozer.

Sounds terrifying? Relax, my dear readers, I am not really suggesting you do it. You are Jews. When you decide to take justice into your own hands, you write an anonymous letter to the proper authorities. I am suggesting something entirely different. I am saying that a truly proportionate response to Arab atrocities would have had an effect similar to that of the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan, minus the radiation. It would have forever ended the Arab war against Israel, and, therefore, that should have been the policy of the Israeli government since the day Arabs promised to destroy Israel. By the way, a few — very few — applications of that terribly bitter medicine would, in the long run, have saved many thousand of both Jewish and Arab lives, just like Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved an estimated one million American soldiers and up to three million Japanese civilians.

In response to my perfectly obvious reasoning, I am anticipating a small avalanche of e-mails calling me a Nazi and unfavorably comparing me to various VIPs of the Third Reich. Here's what puzzles me: why do they never turn their righteous anger against those who openly work to make the next Holocaust happen? How terribly disproportionate of them!

And, speaking about the Holocaust that has already taken place, what do you think should have been a proportionate response to that?"

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[Darius11 12]

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For example, does anyone still remember the Arab family that was killed in an explosion on a beach somewhere in Gaza? It happened just before the last round of war began in earnest. During the few days it took to prove beyond any doubt that the explosion was not caused by an Israeli artillery shell,

We have a saying in Iran

They say they asked the Fox who was his witness and he said my tail.

The Israeli Investigation said that it was a Hamas mine left on the beach. The independent investigation showed that the explosion was in fact not a mine and a shell fired from a canon as it was reported. People in the Middle East don’t trust Israelis and this and many other events such as this are the reasons why.

This article is already showing way too much bias and misrepresentation of facts.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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interesting article.
although i do not agree with some of his suggestions, the "disproportionate" response he's refering to (on the opposite direction than usually meant) is often seen as weakness by Israel's enemies.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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The Israeli Investigation said that it was a Hamas mine left on the beach. The independent investigation showed that the explosion was in fact not a mine and a shell fired from a canon as it was reported.

In respect to this incident I have not been able to find any definite facts that support either side. IMO it could have been either side responsible for that incident.

But you have to admit the argument about disproportinate retaliation makes sense. There are 15 million Jews, and there is 1.5 Billion Muslims. What is a proportionate response?

One argument is well its not about Jwes and Muslims and Christians....but I argue taht it is. It's Jihad time...its holy war... Holy=Religion

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do you want a list of palestinian made up shows to the media that were only later (when the media lost interest) proven to be false?

you can start with the A-dura kid, through the "jenin masacra" and all the way to the photoshopped pictures from lebanon...

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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This is the worst kind of self pitying drivel I've read in a long time, it looks like it was written by Woody Allen on acid.
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The worst Jew-haters, the most avid murderers of Jews in the modern world are Muslims.

I think thats Islamophobic codswallop. I was brought up a Muslim and in the Mosque and at home I was taught that the Jews were our cousins not the hated enemy. Who are the biggest Jew haters in the world? I'd look towards the Christian right and beyond. Mel Gibson and his mates. I don't like alot that the state of Israel does but I've never been anti Jewish.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Darius11 12]

I use my common since on this.

Who would be less bias?
The Israeli government investigating them self’s or ballistics specialist in the United States?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

We can go back and forth if you like, or the next time I post an article that has examples that have already been proven a lie you can point those out

You’re choice Ori.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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I was brought up a Muslim and in the Mosque and at home I was taught that the Jews were our cousins not the hated enemy.

that's because you were brought up in the UK and not in the mid-east.
if you take a look at PA official school text books you'll see what the writer means.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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that's because you were brought up in the UK and not in the mid-east.
if you take a look at PA official school text books you'll see what the writer means.

So, it has nothing to de with being Muslim, but rather with the culture you grow up in?

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We can go back and forth if you like, or the next time I post an article that has examples that have already been proven a lie you can point those out

the difference is what is considered a valid proof.
the fact that the proving party is/isn't palestinian/israeli/3rd party doesn't make their proof automatically valid/invalid.

the incident on the beach is unclear (although since that area was used to fire rockets, it doesn't really matter) but i can think of a few examples from the top of my head that were proven to be false.
- the A-dura kid- very tragic but it WAS proven that he couldn't have been shot by Israelis (not that it matters since he's remembered as if he was)
- the Jenin "masacre" - where initial reports were of hundreds of dead civilians and only later it turned out to be 30 something and most were armed terrorists hididng in civilian houses
- Qana - only 2 weeks ago, the initial reports were of 52 civilians and only later (after a red cross check) were revised to 28.
- the photoshopped pictures from lebanon - i don't think you can prove something any more than this...

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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So, it has nothing to de with being Muslim, but rather with the culture you grow up in?

in my opinion, yes.
sadly, our neighbours are not UK born muslims but arabs who were raised with textbooks filled with hate.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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I was brought up a Muslim and in the Mosque and at home I was taught that the Jews were our cousins not the hated enemy.

that's because you were brought up in the UK and not in the mid-east.
if you take a look at PA official school text books you'll see what the writer means.

I don't deny that, but thats because they are Palastinians not because they are Muslims. To lump all Muslims together as Jew haters and killers is a nonsense.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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I don't deny that, but thats because they are Palastinians not because they are Muslims. To lump all Muslims together as Jew haters and killers is a nonsense.

agreed, but I don't think that was the meaning.
the article didn't say ALL muslims are,
it said "The worst Jew-haters, the most avid murderers of Jews in the modern world are Muslims." which is true if you don't count the nazis in.

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- the photoshopped pictures from lebanon - i don't think you can prove something any more than this...

Hey, it really wasn't anybody's fault. Look at the attachment and see what REALLY happened in Beirut
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Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

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Hey, it really wasn't anybody's fault. Look at the attachment and see what REALLY happened in Beirut

you got the uneditted version.
this is the correct one...

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Hey, it really wasn't anybody's fault. Look at the attachment and see what REALLY happened in Beirut

you got the uneditted version.
this is the correct one...

thats awesome.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

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Although only one in 400 people on earth is Jewish, we exert so much influence on everything that's happening on this planet that most people sincerely believe that we control the world through some imaginary, evil Zionist conspiracy.

I got this far and realised the authors were a) extremely arrogant and b) incredibly paranoid.

Upon reading the rest af the article allow me to add c) hysterical to the mix.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?