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Are we closer to the return of the draft?

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I understand the "general contract".

THIS is what scares the livin' shit out of me:

"The Marine Corps' authority to involuntarily recall Marines for jobs in the "Global War on Terror" -- a war whose parameters remain largely undefined -- has no expiration date."

I am wondering how long it will be before the draft comes back.

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Are you a Marine, currently on Reserve Status?

If not dont worry (yet)...

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Under a general contract, a Marine serves four years on active duty and four in reserve. While on reserve, Marines may volunteer to return to active duty to fill needed roles.



Then that's not a draft, it contrract Fulfilment.

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the draft is a political bombshell - but at the rate things are going new volunteers may insist on a new contract that meets the expectations that when they leave, they're done.



They have that already - it's called "serving 8 years"...
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the draft is a political bombshell - but at the rate things are going new volunteers may insist on a new contract that meets the expectations that when they leave, they're done.



They have that already - it's called "serving 8 years"...



that reality will get fewer new guys each year. To fix it will require more money, or a shorter term.

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Considering that the Army is on track to meeting recruitment goals for this year (after falling short by 8,000 last year), the answer is: "No".

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Considering that the Army is on track to meeting recruitment goals for this year (after falling short by 8,000 last year), the answer is: "No".

mh



They had to raise the maximum age AGAIN, and reduce physical fitness requirements AGAIN, to do so.

At this rate you'll soon be able to sign up for the Army as you collect your Social Security benefits.
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They had to raise the maximum age AGAIN, and reduce physical fitness requirements AGAIN, to do so.



Sorta-hijack: is the increase in max age considered slightly more palatable in the light of higher technology being used by recruits (i.e. college degrees are good) and the fact that transportation options have increased (troops don't have to walk everywhere quite as much as they used to)? Or is this strictly a Ride of the Four Horsemen kind of thing signalling the impending collapse of the American Military Complex?

What have the max ages for the respective branches been increased to?

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They had to raise the maximum age AGAIN, and reduce physical fitness requirements AGAIN, to do so.

At this rate you'll soon be able to sign up for the Army as you collect your Social Security benefits.



That's a good point. It seems like standards to serve in the military have dropped considerably in the recent year.

When I went through infantry training in 1970 there were a ton of low life people being drafting or even enlisting. Don't get me wrong there were also some of the greatest people you could ever meet, in the military, during that time period, but the standards had been dropped so low, that they would take just about anyone with a heart beat just to meet their troop requirements.

Personally I would have hated to go into combat with a lot of them because you couldn't depend on them. Many of them were told to either go to prison or Nam. Many I trained with were common criminals. One even bragged to us how he shot a white guy in a parking lot, killing him, and got away with it. I was glad to leave this bunch. Most of them had orders for Nam.

Going to to S.F. training was a great change. There was a different caliber of people there. You had to have high standards and even a secret security clearance for S.F. school. (I would have hated to have been in a grunt outfit during that time period.)


It seems to me that history is just repeating itself. So if the politicians can't get enough people to serve by lowering standards and extending their time on active duty, the draft is probably the next logical step to get enough troops.

I really hope it doesn't come to that. I doubt if the draft now days would be any more fair than it was earlier in history. People of wealth could probably find a way out of it....Steve1

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They had to raise the maximum age AGAIN, and reduce physical fitness requirements AGAIN, to do so.



Phys fit requirements make sense.
Age requirement doesn't - if you can pass the first, what matters the second? Younger people are getting fat anyway lately, soon, the older people will be the most fit.:S

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It's been in the contract for 25 years. Just a case of the media making a lot out of nothing.



The IRR haas been around longer than that, at least 40 yr's:o. The only difference is we were on a string for only 2 yr's (Air Force). I'm guessing after the nam some sneaky bastards came up with the 4 yr zinger in the fine print.

IMO this back door draft may turn into a pipe dream taking into consideration PTSD, Guy's showing up wearing lipstick, Gals showing up prego, and failed UA's.

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Considering that the Army is on track to meeting recruitment goals for this year (after falling short by 8,000 last year), the answer is: "No".

mh



They had to raise the maximum age AGAIN, and reduce physical fitness requirements AGAIN, to do so.




and LOWER the entrance requirements for critical high tech skills MOS.
which means those charged with training the 'substandard' material they are now being given are being asked to perform miracles, including training 'basic skills' like MATH... [:/]

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What have the max ages for the respective branches been increased to?



Not sure which branch, I think Army. Just raised it to 42.



I got a letter from the Army trying to recruit physicians yesterday....they said I had to be under 55 join.
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Are we closer to the return of the draft?



No.

Every person who volunteers to serve in the US Armed Services does so for an "obligation" period no less than eight years, regardless of their active duty enlistment or commission.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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What have the max ages for the respective branches been increased to?



Army/Army Reserve: 41
Navy (active component): 34
Marines: 27
Air Force: 27
Coast Guard: 27

The gentler age requirement for the Army is not all inclusive for every role however. I didn't check the National Guard or Air Force Reserve or Naval Reserves.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Phys fit requirements make sense.
Age requirement doesn't - if you can pass the first, what matters the second? Younger people are getting fat anyway lately, soon, the older people will be the most fit.:S


You could be a 40 yr. old soldier - first day at your first duty station (or whatever they call it in the army) taking orders from a 20 yr old guy who has been there for a while. See where that could cause a conflict?

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>You could be a 40 yr. old soldier - first day at your first duty station
> (or whatever they call it in the army) taking orders from a 20 yr old
> guy who has been there for a while. See where that could cause a
> conflict?

Why? I'd have more problems taking orders from an imbecile than from a 20 year old.

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You could be a 40 yr. old soldier - first day at your first duty station (or whatever they call it in the army) taking orders from a 20 yr old guy who has been there for a while. See where that could cause a conflict?



My team leader is 10 years younger than me. My Platoon Sergeant is 3 years younger than me.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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>You could be a 40 yr. old soldier - first day at your first duty station
> (or whatever they call it in the army) taking orders from a 20 yr old
> guy who has been there for a while. See where that could cause a
> conflict?

Why? I'd have more problems taking orders from an imbecile than from a 20 year old.


Speaking from experience, its a difficult situation. Also, the military has more than its fair share of imbeciles.

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You could be a 40 yr. old soldier - first day at your first duty station (or whatever they call it in the army) taking orders from a 20 yr old guy who has been there for a while. See where that could cause a conflict?



My team leader is 10 years younger than me. My Platoon Sergeant is 3 years younger than me.


Its sounds like you haven't had any problems and that's great. Maybe there are also some valid reasons the army will take people much older than the Marines. That is another discussion. Maybe we should split this off if you want to continue discussing the merits or possible problems of the policy.

To the original question: I don't believe we are getting any closer to the draft. I think if it came to the decision that we would have to institute the draft or withdraw, we would withdraw.

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