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Leave it to the Catholic-hater to keep bringing that up.

This isn't about Catholics vs. the world. This is about political ideologies and politics in the US. I'm not arguing my points from a religious standpoint.

John is bringing them up as a way to discredit them.

Careful john, your fallacies and predjudices are showing...



So is it wrong to be prejudiced against torturing and burning people who don't subscribe to your myths? Is the Inquisition a fallacy? Are you trying to deny it?

I think YOU have a serious problem of credibility here.



Um... :S you're bringing up someting that happened hundreds and hundred and hundreds of years ago... why exactly?

oh that's right, b/c THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE JOHN!!!

like I said before, same shit, different day. all you have is to attack my religion, when it really isn't even part of this discussion. you brought it in here so you could attack it.




Time may wound all heels, but they are heels just the same.

Will the Nazis be redeemed in a couple of hundred years time?

Your religion has been a source of misery in the world for centuries, and with its attitudes towards condom use and birth control, it remains a source of misery in the world.
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Leave it to the Catholic-hater to keep bringing that up.

This isn't about Catholics vs. the world. This is about political ideologies and politics in the US. I'm not arguing my points from a religious standpoint.

John is bringing them up as a way to discredit them.

Careful john, your fallacies and predjudices are showing...



So is it wrong to be prejudiced against torturing and burning people who don't subscribe to your myths? Is the Inquisition a fallacy? Are you trying to deny it?

I think YOU have a serious problem of credibility here.



Um... :S you're bringing up someting that happened hundreds and hundred and hundreds of years ago... why exactly?

oh that's right, b/c THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE JOHN!!!

like I said before, same shit, different day. all you have is to attack my religion, when it really isn't even part of this discussion. you brought it in here so you could attack it.




Time may wound all heels, but they are heels just the same.

Will the Nazis be redeemed in a couple of hundred years time?

Your religion has been a source of misery in the world for centuries, and with its attitudes towards condom use and birth control, it remains a source of misery in the world.



boy aren't you all pithy today! and how nice of you to compare catholics to nazis. you and skinnyshreks wife would get along so nicely.

as for your statement about inflicting misery, it's quite the opposite really... the use of birth control is what is inflicting misery around the world today, not the church.

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You read much more into my post than inteneded. A very simple statement is what I made.

Telling women staying at home is bad.

Where did you get the rest?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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And who protects us (the people) from judges that interpet that same Constitution to create law that follows there views?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Which is where questions of law are decided. "Activist" judges gave us interracial marriages; someday they will give us same-sex unions as well.
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Well at least you admit you support law made in the courts and not in the legislature.

You only mis-state. It is not questions of law, it is creation of law you like (by the courts)

You are wrong but honest about your views

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Which is where questions of law are decided. "Activist" judges gave us interracial marriages; someday they will give us same-sex unions as well.

"Activist" judges cannot interpret what is not there. They can say that an interpretation is wrong (which is how we got interracial marriages). They can say that the Constitution doesn't allow a particular law.

And they can be wrong.

But just because something "has always been done" doesn't make it right. Everyone is uncomfortable sometimes.

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OK, then a simple reply. Who is telling women that staying at home is bad?

Note: if you say "the liberals" or "the Democrats" you're wrong. For all the reasons I put into that too-long post.

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There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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And who protects us (the people) from judges that interpet that same Constitution to create law that follows there views?



Judges can't create laws, they can just strike down bad ones. You have a very distorted view of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Laws do NOT allow people to do things. Laws prevent people from doing things. Interracial marriages were once illegal. That was a bad law. Striking down that bad law was an appropriate decision for the courts. However, they didn't make a new law forcing interracial marriages.
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Oh please... you think any of Bills sources are neutral? Like the APA? That is positiely laughable! I haven't responded to your assinine posts b/c you've set me up from the begining to fail. Anything that would support my "opinion" would be denounced as "right winged" or as "religious based."

Give me a break.



I was trying to give you a break and back up your statement with more than "cause the church tells me so". I am honestly interested, but reply after reply you come up with nothing....

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the use of birth control is what is inflicting misery around the world today



OK, that got my attention. Why? Are you suggesting that availability of birth control promotes promiscuity outside of marriage, i.e., that people are less likely to engage in sex if they know they have no way of preventing unwanted pregnancy? Is pre- and extra-marital sex the "misery" to which you're referring? Or do you have another meaning? Please explain.

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I simply wanted you to clarify what misery you were referring to when you said "the use of birth control is what is inflicting misery around the world today". If you're not comfortable discussing it in open forum, I'm happy to drop it.



I'm simply tired of being attacked for my beliefs in "an open forum." And this will certainly bring some. If you want to drop it, so be it.

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I'm simply tired of being attacked for my beliefs in "an open forum." And this will certainly bring some. If you want to drop it, so be it.




Thats not a belief:

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the use of birth control is what is inflicting misery around the world today



Its a statement. If you beleive birth control is immoral, thats your call. But to go from there to stating that rubbers and pills inflict misery around the world is a big step.

And you re not attacked. You re participating is a discussion online. If you dont want to participate, you can drop it.
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And you re not attacked. You re participating is a discussion online. If you dont want to participate, you can drop it.



When someone questions something you believe in, they are OBVIOUSLY attacking YOU.

Didn't you get the memo? :|
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I'm simply tired of being attacked for my beliefs in "an open forum." And this will certainly bring some. If you want to drop it, so be it.




Thats not a belief:

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the use of birth control is what is inflicting misery around the world today



Its a statement. If you beleive birth control is immoral, thats your call. But to go from there to stating that rubbers and pills inflict misery around the world is a big step.

And you re not attacked. You re participating is a discussion online. If you dont want to participate, you can drop it.



Remster... I tried to do that very thing. So why are you bringing this up?

And not attacked? Have you not read a vitriolic thing Kallend writes? I guess it's a case of selective reading.

As for "statements" I make, are you trying to impose stupid rules such as people having to start out each thing they say as "I think that" or "I feel that" to delineate what they are saying is an opinion or that they believe something is true. I don't see you saying such stupid things to other posters here.

Bottom line is this, Remmie, someone asked a question, which I preferred to answer in a PM. He refused and it was dropped.

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>you support law made in the courts and not in the legislature.

The court didn't make that law; that's not what they do. Laws are INVALIDATED by courts. In the case of interracial marriages, the courts said that the law that prevented interracial marriage was illegal. There is no way that can be twisted into claiming "they made law."

Reducing the number of laws, and giving people back their rights, is a good thing when it happens.

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Bottom line is this, Remmie, someone asked a question, which I preferred to answer in a PM. He refused and it was dropped.



I didn't so much refuse as I respectfully declined. I thought it might be fun debating the issue in open forum so that we might hear a variety of perspectives; you made it clear you'd rather not get into it further in open forum, and I'm cool with that.

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>I'm simply tired of being attacked for my beliefs in "an open forum."

?? You've been doing most of the attacking in this thread. Nothing wrong with discussing contentious issues, but it's odd that you'd post so vehemently about how other people are so very, very wrong then claim that you're the one being attacked.

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>Just like a state SC tell the legislature they must create a law?

So a court telling the legislature to do their job - that's "creating law?"

Man, I've created dozens of laws then! I've often written to congressmen telling them to do X, Y or Z.

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>I'm simply tired of being attacked for my beliefs in "an open forum."

?? You've been doing most of the attacking in this thread. Nothing wrong with discussing contentious issues, but it's odd that you'd post so vehemently about how other people are so very, very wrong then claim that you're the one being attacked.



Stating my beliefs is attacking? Aren't YOU taking this a little too personally this time bill? If I'm guilty of attacking anyone, it's kallend, who deserves it, and you for calling you a fool, for which I apologized. My comments about substandard families and whatnot are not attacks. It's a pity you can't see past that.

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They told them to create a law allowing gay marriage. You believe that is in the courts power to do?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Similar to what I said previously, go have a drink, read a book, relax, take a nap, crochet, play a rousing game of backgammon, knit socks for one-legged dogs, teach children to do your taxes, make a delicious fruit-smoothie, play in a sprinkler ( ooo, that sounds fun).

Just take a freaking step back for a second. :)
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They are not "supposed" to create law but they have been for years on rulings under seperation of church and state for example.

They know or should know the "interpitaions" they are using are bunk but they rule following what they believe should be law.

USSC justices citing internaional law to support shit for rulings is another example.

There is a constitutional way to change things but that take too long and it would fail.......
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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