falxori 0 #51 August 28, 2006 QuoteDo you think their actions have anything to do with them being hunted by so many from the dawn of their religion? Or do you feel the only reason they are hunted is because they are Jewish? most likely because early christians wanted to distinguish themselves from judaism in order to establish Christianity as a religion by itself. and after pumping the "the jews killed christ" mantra for 2000 years, antagonism becomes the default for many. QuoteDoes being hated by a majority or being most hated give you the right to your own nation? did you even read the debate that was going on here? this was an answer to why Israel is allowing jews to immigrate easily, not why it has a right to exist. QuoteI guess I don’t get where the since of entitlement comes from I guess you don't "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #52 August 28, 2006 Quotedid you even read the debate that was going on here? this was an answer to why Israel is allowing jews to immigrate easily, not why it has a right to exist. I read the whole thread and it was good debate on both sides. It is educational and interesting to read two knowledgeable people go back and forth with out getting out of hand. But what I didn’t understand is how being hunted and persecuted gives Israelis the right to build homes and take a nation from the Palestinians. I mean look we can argue all we want about who did it first and all that but you can not deny that the Palestinians lived where much of Israel is right now. Weather your great great great great great x 100 grand parents lived there is not what I am asking but stating the fact that the land was the home of many Palestinians and they were ruthlessly kicked out or killed. Exist all you want no one really cares, The Issue is Israel exists on land that does not belong to it or at least not solely belongs to it. The issue is that the existence of Israel has resulted in the displacement of now 3 million Palestinians, and the murder of thousands that is the issue. As for the law helping Only Jews not being racist unfortunately it is when you have a country that the majority is Jewish. You are not the minority in that country all non-Jews are. The Israeli laws are the equivalent of only allowing White Christians by land and receive support in the US and not viewing that as racists. Your right I don’t get the since of entitlement. I guess when all your history books forget to mention the truth about Israel and fill you head with lies you start believing your are entitled to the Palestinians land.. Brain washing the youth is a method used on both sides. In time when more Jews are educated about the true past of Israel hopefully they will decide to do the right thing or at least admit the truth.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #53 August 28, 2006 QuoteThe Issue is Israel exists on land that does not belong to it or at least not solely belongs to it. that's the only part of your post i agree with so i'll start with it.... I don't think anyones denies that Palestinians have a right for a state of their own. the division of the land is a concept that started even before the 1947 division plan and going all the way to the 200 camp david plans. the question is where do you draw the line? do you support a palestinian state in the 1967 borders ,where both sides get less than what they think is right, or do you see all of Israel as "stolen land" and by that denying its right to exist? QuoteAs for the law helping Only Jews not being racist unfortunately it is when you have a country that the majority is Jewish. You are not the minority in that country all non-Jews are. The Israeli laws are the equivalent of only allowing White Christians by land and receive support in the US and not viewing that as racists. you are taking one segment of the citizenship law that was meant to make sure things like the holocause never happen again and you make into "all of the laws" where you know perfectly well that all Israeli citizens are equal by law. Israeli Arabs are 20% of the population, they can vote, get voted and they have members in the parliment. so don't give me this crap about a racist nation, based on a law with very solid historical justification "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
