Should criminals be sold better guns?

[billvon 3,079]

Associated Press
6:26 a.m. March 13, 2006

CHICAGO – Stray gunfire pierced a window and killed a 10-year-old girl during her birthday party, the second time in as many weeks that a child has been shot to death in their South Side neighborhood.
Siretha White was in her aunt's first-floor apartment in Englewood, celebrating her birthday with cousins, when the bullet was fired from a white Cadillac, police said. She would have turned 11 on Monday.

“The bullet came straight through the window,” said her uncle, Dwight Stevenson. “It's a shame that people are shooting at houses. We lost an angel, another angel.”
A witness identified the gunman, leading police to another Englewood house, the Chicago Tribune reported Monday. A raid led to the arrests of several men.
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So should we support the gun nuts in their efforts to get these gunmen better guns?

Just wanted to throw an equally-biased poll out there.

[quade 4]

Well, gee bill, maybe we should fund some NRA safety and range training for them. That way they'll only hit the people they really intend to kill.

Also, I think we should probably give 10-year-old girls guns too. That way they can defend themselves from stray bullets, because we all know that nothing can possibly hurt you as long as you're packing.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[craddock 0]

There is much more to this story. The shooter was 19 and had a lengthy criminal record. He was shooting at rival gang members who were on the porch of the house the girl was shot. This house that the poor girl was shot at allegedly was full of gang activity, or at least gang members quite often. The shooter had violated many state and local laws to purchase and possess the firearm. He unlawfully purchased it with out of state giving a fake address and ID. He of course had no FOID card which is required in IL. He possessed it in an area where that firearm was not allowed to begin with. Only the bad guys have firearms in this part of town.
Numerious other violations I can not remember at the moment. This happpened a while ago. I feel sorry for the Girl but it is hard for me to be sorry for the mother. She put her child in harms way

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[billvon 3,079]

>He was shooting at rival gang members who were on the porch of the house the girl was shot.

Clearly, a better, more accurate gun would have prevented this tragedy. Perhaps some NRA training, as Quade mentioned.

[Lindsey 0]

Criminals shouldn't be sold guns at all, silly. Isn't that the rule? Anyway....the girl wouldn't be any more dead had he used a better gun....the "lesser" gun apparently worked just fine.

linz

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[billvon 3,079]

>Criminals shouldn't be sold guns at all, silly. Isn't that the rule?

(johnrich mode)
WHAT? You gun-o-phobes are all alike! I suppose you're going to start requiring lie detector tests before anyone buys a gun at a gun show, huh? Or are you just going to TRUST criminals to say "oh, I really need that .45, but I'm a convicted felon - is that OK?"
(/johnrich mode)

[vortexring 0]

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[ZigZagMarquis 9]

I'm tired of my Second Ammendment Right being held "hostage" by the incongrous counter-arguement that criminals use guns to commit crimes...thus, guns are the problem... no criminals are and folks who allow criminals to go unpunished are the problem.

[Skyrad 0]

No Bill we should just make sure that they only have guns that weren't designed to kill.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[kelpdiver 2]

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Criminals shouldn't be sold guns at all, silly. Isn't that the rule? Anyway....the girl wouldn't be any more dead had he used a better gun....the "lesser" gun apparently worked just fine.

The shotgun is typically more lethal, yet it also is less likely to kill someone well behind the intended target. Were these sort of people pushed to use 12gauges, we would be better off.

But I have no idea how such a change could be achieved.

[kallend 2,108]

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Criminals shouldn't be sold guns at all, silly. Isn't that the rule? Anyway....the girl wouldn't be any more dead had he used a better gun....the "lesser" gun apparently worked just fine.

The shotgun is typically more lethal, yet it also is less likely to kill someone well behind the intended target. Were these sort of people pushed to use 12gauges, we would be better off.

But I have no idea how such a change could be achieved.

Great idea - let's provide shotguns to gangbangers in exchange for their handguns and rifles.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[masterrig 1]

They've already got the good guns. The cops are trying to catch-up! If, guns kill people... I can blame my keyboard for mis-spelled words.


Chuck

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Criminals shouldn't be sold guns at all, silly. Isn't that the rule? Anyway....the girl wouldn't be any more dead had he used a better gun....the "lesser" gun apparently worked just fine.

The shotgun is typically more lethal, yet it also is less likely to kill someone well behind the intended target. Were these sort of people pushed to use 12gauges, we would be better off.

But I have no idea how such a change could be achieved.

Great idea - let's provide shotguns to gangbangers in exchange for their handguns and rifles.

Why not? They usually just kill each other with them.

[Lefty 0]

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If, guns kill people... I can blame my keyboard for mis-spelled words.

Heh, I like that.

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[christelsabine 1]

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They've already got the good guns. The cops are trying to catch-up! If, guns kill people... I can blame my keyboard for mis-spelled words.

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[meatbomb 0]

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If, guns kill people... I can blame my keyboard for mis-spelled words.

Nah,

We can blame you for not using a better gun with a spellchecker!

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[masterrig 1]

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If, guns kill people... I can blame my keyboard for mis-spelled words.

Nah,

We can blame you for not using a better gun with a spellchecker!

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Chuck

[warpedskydiver 0]

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>He was shooting at rival gang members who were on the porch of the house the girl was shot.

Clearly, a better, more accurate gun would have prevented this tragedy. Perhaps some NRA training, as Quade mentioned.

NO BILL, WHAT HE NEEDS IS A FEDERAL EXPRESS BAG OVER HIS HEAD UNTIL HE URINATES AND DOES A CODE BROWN

[cameramonkey 0]

lets just enforce the gun laws that are already on the books, shall we? What additional law would have prevented this asshat from buying his gun? NONE, he didnt follow existing laws! if he didnt follow the current ones, what makes you think he'd follow more restrictive laws?

Besides, criminals dont care about the rules, so as much as I hate the saying... "if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will own guns" its true.

Dont compare me, the law abiding gun owner, to the scum of the earth asshats that steal or buy guns illegally.

not to go down that road, but it has the same logic of saying all sex should be banned, because women are getting raped.

Two wrongs don't make a right, however three lefts DO!

[masterrig 1]

not to go down that road, but it has the same logic of saying all sex should be banned, because women are getting raped.

[warpedskydiver 0]

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not to go down that road, but it has the same logic of saying all sex should be banned, because women are getting raped.

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In that case, unless 'it's' registered... all men could possibly be charged with carrying a concealed weapon!

Or "Assault with a FRIENDLY weapon"


Chuck

[masterrig 1]

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not to go down that road, but it has the same logic of saying all sex should be banned, because women are getting raped.

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In that case, unless 'it's' registered... all men could possibly be charged with carrying a concealed weapon!

Or "Assault with a FRIENDLY weapon"


Chuck

[billvon 3,079]

>NO BILL, WHAT HE NEEDS IS A FEDERAL EXPRESS BAG OVER HIS HEAD
>UNTIL HE URINATES AND DOES A CODE BROWN

Wouldn't that make his aim even worse? Gun control is hitting your target!

[Jib 0]

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Clearly, a better, more accurate gun would have prevented this tragedy. Perhaps some NRA training, as Quade mentioned.

No Bill. What we have here is a problem with society. We fail to give gangbangers the appropriate outlets for them to use to blow off steam and take the guess work out of who's home. What we need to do is construct an arena out of plate steel and concrete where each rival gang can play a game of paintball and settle their differences -- only without the paint. Instead, the last gang standing is given a wonderful award -- all the crack they can inhale, until they fall peacefully and permanently asleep. We would be getting rid of rival gangs by giving them the opportunities they so deserve while finding a constructive way to dispose of confiscated drugs and saving innocent lives. [/Jonathan Swift]

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Clearly, a better, more accurate gun would have prevented this tragedy. Perhaps some NRA training, as Quade mentioned.

No Bill. What we have here is a problem with society. We fail to give gangbangers the appropriate outlets for them to use to blow off steam and take the guess work out of who's home. What we need to do is construct an arena out of plate steel and concrete where each rival gang can play a game of paintball and settle their differences -- only without the paint. Instead, the last gang standing is given a wonderful award -- all the crack they can inhale, until they fall peacefully and permanently asleep. We would be getting rid of rival gangs by giving them the opportunities they so deserve while finding a constructive way to dispose of confiscated drugs and saving innocent lives. [/Jonathan Swift]

What a GREAT IDEA!

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...