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Nope, the last police on duty death there was in my local area was someone pulling clean out infront of a police bike. It killed the officer.
Loud pipes save lives. The sound is pointed back, BUT its bouncing off of other cars and buildings and everything else. You don't know how many times I've seen drivers start looking around after I blip my throttle in traffic. They actually look up and start looking around until they find me.
When I bought my bike I had stock pipes, super quiet, and it was literally once a day or more that people were trying to pull out infront of me and/or change lanes into me. I put different pipes on my bike and the frequency instantly dropped to about once a week. I changed those pipes up a bit and now I can't remember the last time that someone tried to change lanes into me or pull out infront of me in town.
You know, it seems like the only people that say that loud pipes don't help are the people that aren't riders. If they have ridden its been only a little bit, the 3,000mi/3 yrs rider.
Loud pipes save lives. The sound is pointed back, BUT its bouncing off of other cars and buildings and everything else. You don't know how many times I've seen drivers start looking around after I blip my throttle in traffic. They actually look up and start looking around until they find me.
When I bought my bike I had stock pipes, super quiet, and it was literally once a day or more that people were trying to pull out infront of me and/or change lanes into me. I put different pipes on my bike and the frequency instantly dropped to about once a week. I changed those pipes up a bit and now I can't remember the last time that someone tried to change lanes into me or pull out infront of me in town.
You know, it seems like the only people that say that loud pipes don't help are the people that aren't riders. If they have ridden its been only a little bit, the 3,000mi/3 yrs rider.
--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."
whatever ..... that law won't help a dead biker . like in the air I rely on me and only me . always looking for outs just in case . I 've only been hit driving slow . I feel safer when nothing passes me .... loud pipes definately help in slow traffic though .... thunderheaders .
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wmw999 2,530
Interesting. And not my experience. I've had both stock Harley pipes (which, while not super-loud, are definitely not quiet), and now stock Honda pipes. The only person ever to cut seriously in front of me was when I was on the Harley.
Yes, it's a data point of one, but part of why I got rid of the Harley was to save my hearing.
Wendy W.
Yes, it's a data point of one, but part of why I got rid of the Harley was to save my hearing.
Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
billvon 3,065
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>Loud pipes save lives.
So would wiring the horn in your car so it's always on. So would putting cop lights on top of your car. But that's sort of not the point.
So would wiring the horn in your car so it's always on. So would putting cop lights on top of your car. But that's sort of not the point.
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteRight, because if the car driver heard them, there was no accident. How would you prove you didn't get into an accident because someone did "hear" you?
Which is exactly why you can't prove your own point.
Loud pipes don't save lives. When I t-boned the lady that pulled out in front of me I had pipes loud enough they were setting off car alarms all over the place. It was summer and she had her window open. She never saw or heard me.
I like the sound of loud pipes, I really do, but to claim they save lives is silly.
Zee 0
It makes absolutely no difference either way. You could ride down the road with straight pipes, a raid siren, an air horn, flashing lights, and a freakin disco ball, and some retard would still managed to plow you down.
I put a race baffle in mine. Loud pipes or not, people are still too preoccupied eating lunch, talking on the phone, reading the newspaper, or beating their kids, to pay any attention to what's happening on the road.....
Action©Sports
I put a race baffle in mine. Loud pipes or not, people are still too preoccupied eating lunch, talking on the phone, reading the newspaper, or beating their kids, to pay any attention to what's happening on the road.....
Action©Sports
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QuoteSo would putting cop lights on top of your car.
You would think that, but no, people plant their heads up their butts when those roof lights flip on. Even worst when the lights AND siren is on and a cop is trying to get to something serious quickly and safely.
QuoteSo would wiring the horn in your car so it's always on
Maybe, sure, I could buy that.
QuoteBut that's sort of not the point.
The point is having slightly louder then stock pipes are legal and the other two things you mentioned aren't legal at all.
Bill, you have or had a BMW bike, right? How many miles did you ride a year? How many miles have you ridden in your lifetime?
Most of these conversations remind me of whuffos telling a skydiver how to be safe skydiving. Or even worst, someone with 5 jumps telling their instructor what the instructor did wrong on the skydive.
--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."
SkyDekker 1,465
you yourself claim that sirens and flashing lights don't make a difference and that people still pull out in front of cop cars.
Then you claim loud pipes save lives.
Those two statements counter eachother. You will have to alter your opinion on one of them to make any sense.
Then you claim loud pipes save lives.
Those two statements counter eachother. You will have to alter your opinion on one of them to make any sense.
Quoteyou yourself claim that sirens and flashing lights don't make a difference and that people still pull out in front of cop cars.
Then you claim loud pipes save lives.
Those two statements counter eachother. You will have to alter your opinion on one of them to make any sense.
No, I just need to articulate the difference better since you don't have a frame of reference for driving with lights and sirens on.
People don't know how to react when they see something coming down the road with lights and sirens on. They want to get out of the way, so they try to do that, but they can't decide which way to go. This is inspite of law that states to pull to the right then slow. What people like to do is slow, nearly stop as fast as they can, then pull to the right. Or pull to the left, slow then pull to the right. It has nothing to do with recognition or awareness of presence, but correct reaction with something that is outside of their normal driving experience.
How many times do you have a cop or other emergancy vehicle go by you running lights and sirens every day? How many motorcycles do you see on the road with you every day? You should be able to drive correctly and safely around motorcycles. Unfortunately for most people its not about reaction its about awareness and recognition.
There will always be motorcycle/car accidents in which someone fails to yield right of way at a stop intersection or private drive. Simply due to the fact that a large majority of the drivers on the road are not good drivers. There will alwayse be car/car accidents in the same scenerio. Awareness as a driver for others that *could* pull out in front of you is your ownly defense in those scenrios.
Now, the difference are people in your lanes of traffic. Drifting lanes, changing lanes, etc. That is where your pipes can and will save your life. People won't see you unless they truely look, they dont' tend to look unless they truely have a reason to. I can't count the number of times I've seen drivers looking around as I got semi-close to their vehicle because they heard my pipes. Then its very nice when we make eye contact through one of their mirrors.
I will continue to ride within the confines of the law as well as keep my motorcycle equipment within the confines of the law. My opinion is one of someone who rides a lot. If you're not a rider, you can obviously have an opinion on the matter, but to be perfectly honest with you, your opinion doesn't really matter to me. You're a whuffo giving safety advice to a jumper. I'll nod politely and suggest that you go take a MSF riding safety course to get an introduction to motorcycles and motorcycle riding. If for no other reason then to help you educate yourself.
--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."
billvon 3,065
>Or even worst, someone with 5 jumps telling their instructor what the
>instructor did wrong on the skydive.
In that case, I will not waste my time trying to discuss anything with an expert professional rider.
>instructor did wrong on the skydive.
In that case, I will not waste my time trying to discuss anything with an expert professional rider.
sundevil777 102
QuoteThe point is having slightly louder than stock pipes are legal and the other two things you mentioned aren't legal at all.
Do you think there are a lot of bikes that are louder than allowed by law? Is the noise law enforced?
I understand that it is illegal to have your horn blaring constantly, but why should it be when the exhaust of bikes or cars can be so loud?
I think the legal exhaust noise limits should be quite a bit lower, and then everyone should be allowed to have a dedicated type of horn for letting everyone else know you're there. It could be turned on for busy urban driving, and off when you don't want to wake up others. Unfortunately, I think a lot of bikers enjoy making a lot of noise in part because it pisses people off.
If bikers benefit from being loud, then autos will too. Everyone for the sake of safety should have really loud exhausts.
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
Right, because if the car driver heard them, there was no accident.
Nope, it's both noise and visibility. I want to try and get the message I'm there to you anyway I can. Especially if the driver is elderly and has bad vision. If I'm in the next lane behind you at a red light, I want you to know I'm there even if you can't see me. That way when the light turns green and I start to pass, you won't cut in front of me.
Even Police motorcycles are involved in accidents from time to time. Did you get this idea from the Nat'l Guard cut-out thread?
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