StreetScooby 5 #1 September 7, 2006 http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Saudi-Banning-Women.html From the article: Quote It was unclear why the step was being considered now, but officials say they have growing concerns about overcrowding, particularly at Mecca's Grand Mosque. The mosque contains the Kaaba, a large stone structure that Muslims around the world face during their daily prayers. I've heard the "Kaaba" is a meteorite (...or, whatever it's called once it hits the ground). It simply amazes me that so many people pray to a rock, 5 times a day. To think there are folks in the US who actually want to treat them as rational beings.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #2 September 7, 2006 They'll go out of business........... It's mostly woment that play bingo (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #3 September 7, 2006 BWAHAHAHA I'm literally in shock from that article. They will never turn on their own, i.e., show us the bad guys. We're in a culture clash. Full blown, no doubt about it.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,031 #4 September 7, 2006 >To think there are folks in the US who actually want to treat them as rational beings. There are people in the US who still believe in cannibalism as a form of worship. They have a ritual where (they believe) bread and wine are literally turned into flesh and blood, and eaten. These same people pray to a symbol used by ancient romans to torture and execute prisoners. Yet somehow I suspect you treat them as rational beings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #5 September 7, 2006 Quote Yet somehow I suspect you treat them as rational beings. There isn't a "10% group" of them running around killing people, either.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #6 September 7, 2006 Quotehttp://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Saudi-Banning-Women.html From the article: Quote It was unclear why the step was being considered now, but officials say they have growing concerns about overcrowding, particularly at Mecca's Grand Mosque. The mosque contains the Kaaba, a large stone structure that Muslims around the world face during their daily prayers. I've heard the "Kaaba" is a meteorite (...or, whatever it's called once it hits the ground). It simply amazes me that so many people pray to a rock, 5 times a day. To think there are folks in the US who actually want to treat them as rational beings. Why do Christians pray in front of a cross every Sunday? And others 3 times per day? It would not be a bad thing to show some tolerance these days, don't you think? It's not your biz why they worship the (view to the east) Kaaba several times per day, or have to see/to touch it at least once in a lifetime. It sounds very rational in regards of their religion. Why should you need to understand that? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #7 September 7, 2006 Quote It sounds very rational in regards of their religion. Unimpressed Why should you need to understand that? Unimpressed Read the article. As I stated earlier, I am in shock by what I read. My one quote summed up, to the best of my abilities at this point in time, my summary of my emotions. My point, in posting this article is: We are in a culture clash. That is not generally recognized, and it concerns me, greatly.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,031 #8 September 7, 2006 >There isn't a "10% group" of them running around killing people, either. 10% of Muslims don't run around and kill people. Have no idea where you pulled that from. In any case, both religions have their killers. But a wise man condemns the killer, not the religion, or the race, or the nationality, or the sex of the criminal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #9 September 7, 2006 You're a bright guy, and I generally find your posts thought provoking, but you're behind the curve on this one. Why not just say you were drunk-posting, and leave it at that? No dishonor in drunk posting, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #10 September 7, 2006 Quote You're a bright guy, and I generally find your posts thought provoking, but you're behind the curve on this one. Why not just say you were drunk-posting, and leave it at that? No dishonor in drunk posting, right? Thank you for the compliment. Unfortunately, I'm _not_ drunk right now. I'm literally in shock by what I read in this article.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #11 September 7, 2006 Quote 10% of Muslims don't run around and kill people. Have no idea where you pulled that from. You left out the quotes, thus, you're quoting me out of context. There is a "bad group" of Muslims fomenting violent dissent on the planet. They are not only operating under protection of the "locals", they're operating with funding from the "globals". Isn't that self evident?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,031 #12 September 7, 2006 >You left out the quotes . . . Sorry, I will rephrase. "10% of Muslims" don't run around and kill people. Have no idea where you pulled that from. >There is a "bad group" of Muslims fomenting violent dissent on the >planet. They are not only operating under protection of the "locals", >they're operating with funding from the "globals". I agree. There are bad groups of Muslims (Al Qaeda) bad groups of atheists (Tamil Tigers) and bad groups of Christians (IRA.) The reason they are bad is not because of their religion (or lack thereof) but because of their actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #13 September 7, 2006 Quote I agree. There are bad groups of Muslims (Al Qaeda) bad groups of atheists (Tamil Tigers) and bad groups of Christians (IRA.) The reason they are bad is not because of their religion (or lack thereof) but because of their actions. Let's get back on thread - we're in a culture clash with radical Muslims. That is my point. These radical Muslims are fomenting violence around the world, not just in their "neighborhood". They're not going to stop. Nor will they be turned out by other Muslims around them. It's a culture clash. And they're fomenting the violence.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,031 #14 September 7, 2006 >we're in a culture clash with radical Muslims. That is my point. >These radical Muslims are fomenting violence around the world, >not just in their "neighborhood". So are we, to a much greater extent than they are. When was the last time an organized group of Islamic militants bombed the US? We're going on 5 years now. When was the last time an organized group of US troops shot a Muslim or bombed a building in an Islamic city? I'd be suprised if it wasn't yesterday. We asked for the clash. Indeed, we welcomed it and brought it to them. "Bring it on." Now we're living through the results of it. >It's a culture clash. And they're fomenting the violence. Now THAT'S funny. The innocent US, a country that would never harm a fly, is the victim of a bunch of evil radical muslims who keep throwing themselves beneath our bombs and in front of our guns! We started the war on Muslim extremists. Don't be suprised when they fight back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #15 September 7, 2006 Quote We started the war on Muslim extremists. So, what would you have done in response to 9/11? And, the Cole? And, the Embassy bombings? And, the prior WTC attacks?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,031 #16 September 7, 2006 >what would you have done in response to 9/11? Destroyed Al Qaeda - not Iraq. >And, the Cole? Gone after the people that pulled that off (which we did.) Not Iraq. >And, the Embassy bombings? Destroyed Al Qaeda - not Iraq. >And, the prior WTC attacks? Gone after the people that pulled them off. Not attacked Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #17 September 7, 2006 Quote not Iraq. I don't think you'll find any post I've made that said going into Iraq was a great idea. It is what it is. Personally, I believe Rummy and friends thought Iraq did have WMD, and decided to kills two birds with one stone - get rid of the perceived WMD risk, and establish a friendly "salient" in the middle east.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Reginald 0 #18 September 7, 2006 Quote>To think there are folks in the US who actually want to treat them as rational beings. There are people in the US who still believe in cannibalism as a form of worship. They have a ritual where (they believe) bread and wine are literally turned into flesh and blood, and eaten. These same people pray to a symbol used by ancient romans to torture and execute prisoners. Yet somehow I suspect you treat them as rational beings. Not I."We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,070 #19 September 7, 2006 QuoteQuote not Iraq. I don't think you'll find any post I've made that said going into Iraq was a great idea. It is what it is. Personally, I believe Rummy and friends thought Iraq did have WMD, and decided to kills two birds with one stone - get rid of the perceived WMD risk, and establish a friendly "salient" in the middle east. What a wonderful strategy that was! NOT. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #20 September 8, 2006 >what would you have done in response to 9/11? QuoteDestroyed Al Qaeda - not Iraq. >And, the Cole? Gone after the people that pulled that off (which we did.) Not Iraq. >And, the Embassy bombings? Destroyed Al Qaeda - not Iraq. >And, the prior WTC attacks? Gone after the people that pulled them off. Not attacked Iraq. So you still think that it's a law enforcement issue? Until the Muslim community as a whole steps up to the plate, and takes care of the business at hand, they are all guilty by complicity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vpozzoli 0 #21 September 8, 2006 Quotehttp://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Saudi-Banning-Women.html ... I've heard the "Kaaba" is a meteorite (...or, whatever it's called once it hits the ground). It simply amazes me that so many people pray to a rock, 5 times a day. To think there are folks in the US who actually want to treat them as rational beings. You're right. Praying to a misshapen lump of chocolate makes much more sense http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2389905;search_string=virgin%20mary%20chocolate Vale Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,070 #22 September 8, 2006 Quote>what would you have done in response to 9/11? QuoteDestroyed Al Qaeda - not Iraq. >And, the Cole? Gone after the people that pulled that off (which we did.) Not Iraq. >And, the Embassy bombings? Destroyed Al Qaeda - not Iraq. >And, the prior WTC attacks? Gone after the people that pulled them off. Not attacked Iraq. So you still think that it's a law enforcement issue? Until the Muslim community as a whole steps up to the plate, and takes care of the business at hand, they are all guilty by complicity. Does that make the entire USA guilty by complicity in IRA terrorism, funded primarily by Americans?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterblaster72 0 #23 September 8, 2006 Quote I've heard the "Kaaba" is a meteorite (...or, whatever it's called once it hits the ground). It simply amazes me that so many people pray to a rock, 5 times a day. To think there are folks in the US who actually want to treat them as rational beings. If you look at it in an historical context, this wouldn't amaze you. People have been venerating extraterrestrial rocks for thousands of years, waaay before Islam came about. This can give you some insight on the subject, if you have enough interest and a few minutes to read it. Islam is a re-packaged form of ancient pagan religion, just as Christianity is. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,070 #24 September 8, 2006 QuoteQuotehttp://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Saudi-Banning-Women.html ... I've heard the "Kaaba" is a meteorite (...or, whatever it's called once it hits the ground). It simply amazes me that so many people pray to a rock, 5 times a day. To think there are folks in the US who actually want to treat them as rational beings. You're right. Praying to a misshapen lump of chocolate makes much more sense http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2389905;search_string=virgin%20mary%20chocolate Vale Well, maybe they don't pray to the chocolate FIVE TIMES a day, so it's OK.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #25 September 8, 2006 QuoteWe are in a culture clash. That is not generally recognized, and it concerns me, greatly. Do you think making inaccurate statements about 10% of Muslims are killing people, and making ignorant remarks about their religion helps the culture clash? Again people need to get something threw there head. You’re opinion of what people believe does not matter. I know many have a self-important issue but believe it or not Muslims don’t consider you all wise and all knowing. Just as mentioned by others we all have some beliefs that might seem ridicules, but we choose to respect their beliefs in hopes that they will respect ours. As for woman not being allowed I am not surprised by the Saudis they have manipulated Islam in so many ways to oppress woman. Unfortunately that is the case in many religions. I wonder why we consider them are allies?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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StreetScooby 5 #10 September 7, 2006 Quote You're a bright guy, and I generally find your posts thought provoking, but you're behind the curve on this one. Why not just say you were drunk-posting, and leave it at that? No dishonor in drunk posting, right? Thank you for the compliment. Unfortunately, I'm _not_ drunk right now. I'm literally in shock by what I read in this article.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #11 September 7, 2006 Quote 10% of Muslims don't run around and kill people. Have no idea where you pulled that from. You left out the quotes, thus, you're quoting me out of context. There is a "bad group" of Muslims fomenting violent dissent on the planet. They are not only operating under protection of the "locals", they're operating with funding from the "globals". Isn't that self evident?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,031 #12 September 7, 2006 >You left out the quotes . . . Sorry, I will rephrase. "10% of Muslims" don't run around and kill people. Have no idea where you pulled that from. >There is a "bad group" of Muslims fomenting violent dissent on the >planet. They are not only operating under protection of the "locals", >they're operating with funding from the "globals". I agree. There are bad groups of Muslims (Al Qaeda) bad groups of atheists (Tamil Tigers) and bad groups of Christians (IRA.) The reason they are bad is not because of their religion (or lack thereof) but because of their actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #13 September 7, 2006 Quote I agree. There are bad groups of Muslims (Al Qaeda) bad groups of atheists (Tamil Tigers) and bad groups of Christians (IRA.) The reason they are bad is not because of their religion (or lack thereof) but because of their actions. Let's get back on thread - we're in a culture clash with radical Muslims. That is my point. These radical Muslims are fomenting violence around the world, not just in their "neighborhood". They're not going to stop. Nor will they be turned out by other Muslims around them. It's a culture clash. And they're fomenting the violence.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,031 #14 September 7, 2006 >we're in a culture clash with radical Muslims. That is my point. >These radical Muslims are fomenting violence around the world, >not just in their "neighborhood". So are we, to a much greater extent than they are. When was the last time an organized group of Islamic militants bombed the US? We're going on 5 years now. When was the last time an organized group of US troops shot a Muslim or bombed a building in an Islamic city? I'd be suprised if it wasn't yesterday. We asked for the clash. Indeed, we welcomed it and brought it to them. "Bring it on." Now we're living through the results of it. >It's a culture clash. And they're fomenting the violence. Now THAT'S funny. The innocent US, a country that would never harm a fly, is the victim of a bunch of evil radical muslims who keep throwing themselves beneath our bombs and in front of our guns! We started the war on Muslim extremists. Don't be suprised when they fight back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #15 September 7, 2006 Quote We started the war on Muslim extremists. So, what would you have done in response to 9/11? And, the Cole? And, the Embassy bombings? And, the prior WTC attacks?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,031 #16 September 7, 2006 >what would you have done in response to 9/11? Destroyed Al Qaeda - not Iraq. >And, the Cole? Gone after the people that pulled that off (which we did.) Not Iraq. >And, the Embassy bombings? Destroyed Al Qaeda - not Iraq. >And, the prior WTC attacks? Gone after the people that pulled them off. Not attacked Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #17 September 7, 2006 Quote not Iraq. I don't think you'll find any post I've made that said going into Iraq was a great idea. It is what it is. Personally, I believe Rummy and friends thought Iraq did have WMD, and decided to kills two birds with one stone - get rid of the perceived WMD risk, and establish a friendly "salient" in the middle east.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reginald 0 #18 September 7, 2006 Quote>To think there are folks in the US who actually want to treat them as rational beings. There are people in the US who still believe in cannibalism as a form of worship. They have a ritual where (they believe) bread and wine are literally turned into flesh and blood, and eaten. These same people pray to a symbol used by ancient romans to torture and execute prisoners. Yet somehow I suspect you treat them as rational beings. Not I."We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,070 #19 September 7, 2006 QuoteQuote not Iraq. I don't think you'll find any post I've made that said going into Iraq was a great idea. It is what it is. Personally, I believe Rummy and friends thought Iraq did have WMD, and decided to kills two birds with one stone - get rid of the perceived WMD risk, and establish a friendly "salient" in the middle east. What a wonderful strategy that was! NOT. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #20 September 8, 2006 >what would you have done in response to 9/11? QuoteDestroyed Al Qaeda - not Iraq. >And, the Cole? Gone after the people that pulled that off (which we did.) Not Iraq. >And, the Embassy bombings? Destroyed Al Qaeda - not Iraq. >And, the prior WTC attacks? Gone after the people that pulled them off. Not attacked Iraq. So you still think that it's a law enforcement issue? Until the Muslim community as a whole steps up to the plate, and takes care of the business at hand, they are all guilty by complicity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vpozzoli 0 #21 September 8, 2006 Quotehttp://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Saudi-Banning-Women.html ... I've heard the "Kaaba" is a meteorite (...or, whatever it's called once it hits the ground). It simply amazes me that so many people pray to a rock, 5 times a day. To think there are folks in the US who actually want to treat them as rational beings. You're right. Praying to a misshapen lump of chocolate makes much more sense http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2389905;search_string=virgin%20mary%20chocolate Vale Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,070 #22 September 8, 2006 Quote>what would you have done in response to 9/11? QuoteDestroyed Al Qaeda - not Iraq. >And, the Cole? Gone after the people that pulled that off (which we did.) Not Iraq. >And, the Embassy bombings? Destroyed Al Qaeda - not Iraq. >And, the prior WTC attacks? Gone after the people that pulled them off. Not attacked Iraq. So you still think that it's a law enforcement issue? Until the Muslim community as a whole steps up to the plate, and takes care of the business at hand, they are all guilty by complicity. Does that make the entire USA guilty by complicity in IRA terrorism, funded primarily by Americans?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #23 September 8, 2006 Quote I've heard the "Kaaba" is a meteorite (...or, whatever it's called once it hits the ground). It simply amazes me that so many people pray to a rock, 5 times a day. To think there are folks in the US who actually want to treat them as rational beings. If you look at it in an historical context, this wouldn't amaze you. People have been venerating extraterrestrial rocks for thousands of years, waaay before Islam came about. This can give you some insight on the subject, if you have enough interest and a few minutes to read it. Islam is a re-packaged form of ancient pagan religion, just as Christianity is. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,070 #24 September 8, 2006 QuoteQuotehttp://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Saudi-Banning-Women.html ... I've heard the "Kaaba" is a meteorite (...or, whatever it's called once it hits the ground). It simply amazes me that so many people pray to a rock, 5 times a day. To think there are folks in the US who actually want to treat them as rational beings. You're right. Praying to a misshapen lump of chocolate makes much more sense http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2389905;search_string=virgin%20mary%20chocolate Vale Well, maybe they don't pray to the chocolate FIVE TIMES a day, so it's OK.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #25 September 8, 2006 QuoteWe are in a culture clash. That is not generally recognized, and it concerns me, greatly. Do you think making inaccurate statements about 10% of Muslims are killing people, and making ignorant remarks about their religion helps the culture clash? Again people need to get something threw there head. You’re opinion of what people believe does not matter. I know many have a self-important issue but believe it or not Muslims don’t consider you all wise and all knowing. Just as mentioned by others we all have some beliefs that might seem ridicules, but we choose to respect their beliefs in hopes that they will respect ours. As for woman not being allowed I am not surprised by the Saudis they have manipulated Islam in so many ways to oppress woman. Unfortunately that is the case in many religions. I wonder why we consider them are allies?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
