Saudis Consider Banning Women From Mecca

[Michele 1]

Botellines, do you really think it's not a culture clash? If not, why not? Citing 1984 is not enough of a reason; I can name many books that have eventually seemed to play out, including Tom Clancy (he wrote of a plane flying into the Capitol Building during the State of the Union speech...didn't happen exactly like that, but did happen...) and many other authors.

So if you don't believe it's really a culture clash, why not? I'm very interested in your reasoning. Personally, I do believe it's a culture - and indeed a religious - clash...and it's been a long, long time coming.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[Botellines 0]

I really do not think it is a culture clash, i admit that potentially could be a culture and religious clash. See, i think that in order to have any kind of clash the basic premise is that you have to somehow live together in the same region, and it doesn´t happen at the moment.

Muslims are upset, angry and mad not because their religion tells them we are infidels (if so Christians and Jews are as just as bad) but because they feel used. The western societies have use them to fight their proxy wars, used them for their oil and as a tool for their political interests. Let´s not forget that it was the EEUU who sold Saddam the WMD to kill other muslims with them.
The good thing is that their military is not that great and it will never be any better than the "western army" so you only have to tighten your borders and there will not be any type of clash. After all, we are not talking about Mexico or Canada, muslim countryes are at least an ocean away.

Lastly i would like to point out that in the city of Toledo in Spain for several hundred years Christian, Jews and Muslims lived together in peace and harmony, so i think that the clash we are living now if we can call it that way is provoked by people that has a lot to gain.

[Royd 0]

Why have the liberated women of this country remained strangely silient about the persecution in the Islamic world? I never saw much celebration over women in Afganastan being able to vote.

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I was very happy indeed that women in Afghanistan were finally able to vote. Rights being restored (or installed for the first time) are always a cause for celebration.

I am in total agreement with you.
I just thought that women had some kind of international sisterhood, and the flaming radicals in this country should feel an obligation to stir up oppressed women everywhere. Or, could it be that radical feminism hasn't produced the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?

Not directed at you. You seem to be very balanced.