shropshire 0 #76 September 16, 2006 Bloody right..... we're a multi cultured[sic] multi belief based society and all the better for it. Fundies of all flavours are the root cause of many of the worlds problems not the diversity (that they aim to destroy) Narrow minded people who advocate segregation need to open the hearts and minds. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #77 September 16, 2006 Or move to countries where people of different colours and belifes live in different neighbourhoods and every one thinks its normal.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #78 September 16, 2006 Ghettos for Fundies? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #79 September 16, 2006 QuoteGhettos for Fundies? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #80 September 16, 2006 This is the Danish cartoons all over again. First, the Pope quotes someone else from long ago who suggests that Islam may have a connection with violence. Then the Muslim world goes into a frenzy and starts burning down churches thus confirming that such a connection is alive and kicking. The thing that gets me is the total ignorance of the irony in these situations. Here's the insincerity of it. If the Islamic world were really so adamant about people who would associate their religion with violence, they would have this scale of demonstrations when suicide bombers blow themselves up and kill innocent people. They should take to the streets when Zawahiri speaks of killing Westerners in the name of jihad. They don't. Apparently, they're more upset with the acknowledgement that their religion is connected with violence than the reality of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #81 September 16, 2006 QuoteThis is the Danish cartoons all over again. First, the Pope quotes someone else from long ago who suggests that Islam may have a connection with violence. Then the Muslim world goes into a frenzy and starts burning down churches thus confirming that such a connection is alive and kicking. The thing that gets me is the total ignorance of the irony in these situations. Here's the insincerity of it. If the Islamic world were really so adamant about people who would associate their religion with violence, they would have this scale of demonstrations when suicide bombers blow themselves up and kill innocent people. They should take to the streets when Zawahiri speaks of killing Westerners in the name of jihad. They don't. Apparently, they're more upset with the acknowledgement that their religion is connected with violence than the reality of it. well spoken sir. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #82 September 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Who claims that you can't be a good person if you don't believe in a "correct myth" (sic)? For a long time one of your buddies had a sig line that asked "Are you a good person?" It directed to a web site that made it very clear that belief in your particular God-myth (as opposed to, say, the Zeus myth or the Ganesh myth) was a requirement for being a good person. Quote Finally, for you to continue to claim that you use the term "invisible friend" in any way other than as an antagonistic term, causes me to lose what little respect for you I had begun to muster. That really bothers me. It should. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,070 #83 September 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI had dinner the other night w/ a collegue from work who was your age, John. After dinner, he retired to his hotel room and died in his sleep, an apparent heart attack. Perhaps he met one of our "invisible friends." I don't think your turn is too far off, given average life span of the american male. You ready to take your chances? But what if YOU chose the wrong invisible friend? So many to choose from! You apparently have no problem taking your chance that you might meet Zeus or Woden. For Jews, Christians and Muslims there is only ONE invisable friend, we just fight about how to be his friend. And condemn the others to Hell for getting it wrong. With friends like this, who needs enemies?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,070 #84 September 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteThis is the Danish cartoons all over again. First, the Pope quotes someone else from long ago who suggests that Islam may have a connection with violence. Then the Muslim world goes into a frenzy and starts burning down churches thus confirming that such a connection is alive and kicking. The thing that gets me is the total ignorance of the irony in these situations. Here's the insincerity of it. If the Islamic world were really so adamant about people who would associate their religion with violence, they would have this scale of demonstrations when suicide bombers blow themselves up and kill innocent people. They should take to the streets when Zawahiri speaks of killing Westerners in the name of jihad. They don't. Apparently, they're more upset with the acknowledgement that their religion is connected with violence than the reality of it. well spoken sir. Some people are upset that others acknowledge their religion's association with burnings at the stake and other tortures.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #85 September 16, 2006 I notice you live in the USA. Should you condemn the USA & all it stands for, based on the fact that the USA has also killed & persecuted lots of people? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #86 September 16, 2006 QuoteThis is the Danish cartoons all over again. First, the Pope quotes someone else from long ago who suggests that Islam may have a connection with violence. Then the Muslim world goes into a frenzy and starts burning down churches thus confirming that such a connection is alive and kicking. The thing that gets me is the total ignorance of the irony in these situations. Here's the insincerity of it. If the Islamic world were really so adamant about people who would associate their religion with violence, they would have this scale of demonstrations when suicide bombers blow themselves up and kill innocent people. They should take to the streets when Zawahiri speaks of killing Westerners in the name of jihad. They don't. Apparently, they're more upset with the acknowledgement that their religion is connected with violence than the reality of it. And when those cartoons were published in an Egyptian newspaper months before they appeared in a Danish newspaper, the RHIFWs didn't riot then. I wonder why? Maybe it's because they weren't whipped up into a psychotic frenzy by their so-called "leaders" that time, but the mullahs were ready to go when it suited their purpose. How cynical, hypocritical and arrogant. Just like a death cult, which is what islam really is. mh"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #87 September 16, 2006 QuoteI notice you live in the USA. Should you condemn the USA & all it stands for, based on the fact that the USA has also killed & persecuted lots of people? Don't bother asking him that... he is quite content living in his house of inconsistencies... he has but one agenda here. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #88 September 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis is the Danish cartoons all over again. First, the Pope quotes someone else from long ago who suggests that Islam may have a connection with violence. Then the Muslim world goes into a frenzy and starts burning down churches thus confirming that such a connection is alive and kicking. The thing that gets me is the total ignorance of the irony in these situations. Here's the insincerity of it. If the Islamic world were really so adamant about people who would associate their religion with violence, they would have this scale of demonstrations when suicide bombers blow themselves up and kill innocent people. They should take to the streets when Zawahiri speaks of killing Westerners in the name of jihad. They don't. Apparently, they're more upset with the acknowledgement that their religion is connected with violence than the reality of it. well spoken sir. Some people are upset that others acknowledge their religion's association with burnings at the stake and other tortures. I've never denied that those things occurred. You have a selective memory. Or is it age? Regardless, those things were from centuries ago (that would be years times several HUNDRED) . CENTURIES. Some adherants of the Muslim faith STILL torture and murder heretics. Today. Now. But all I hear you whining and crying about is the Catholic Church. Get the fuck over it. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,070 #89 September 16, 2006 QuoteI notice you live in the USA. Should you condemn the USA & all it stands for, based on the fact that the USA has also killed & persecuted lots of people? Although an absurd and invalid comparison (religions with nations), I will point out that the USA does not claim to be the only way to eternal salvation, condemn all others to Hell, and does not deny its history. The USA acknowledges that it acts in self-interest. The USA is NOT hypocritical like just about every religion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rasmack 0 #90 September 16, 2006 QuoteAnd when those cartoons were published in an Egyptian newspaper months before they appeared in a Danish newspaper, the RHIFWs didn't riot then. Sorry, but you've got the chronology wrong. The drawings were comissioned by the Danish paper and printed there. They were reprinted in Egypt. Several months later a group of muslim clerics travelled the middle east raising hell over the drawings thus starting the riots.HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites likearock 2 #91 September 16, 2006 Quote How cynical, hypocritical and arrogant. Just like a death cult, which is what islam really is. Now there I think you've gone too far. True, there is a substantial minority within Islam who have turned it into a death cult. However, I believe the majority does consider it a religion of peace. Unfortunately, they too often tend to be a silent majority. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #92 September 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteI notice you live in the USA. Should you condemn the USA & all it stands for, based on the fact that the USA has also killed & persecuted lots of people? Although an absurd and invalid comparison (religions with nations), I will point out that the USA does not claim to be the only way to eternal salvation, condemn all others to Hell, and does not deny its history. The USA acknowledges that it acts in self-interest. The USA is NOT hypocritical like just about every religion. And you're one who can certainly spot an invalid comparison since you make them frequently. Actually, it's quite valid. The Vatican is a city state, an automomous "country" as it were. Addressing the other inaccuracies in your post, the Catholic Church does not condemn others to Hell (in fact it condemns NO ONE to hell), it does NOT deny it's history (I guess the public apologies and writings of JPII are lost to you, pity). And as misguided and wrongful as the inquisition was, those who led it were also acting in the self-interest of the church, just as the United States did when it became the only nation to anhihilate two cities w/ nuclear weapons (365,000 people, just as a reminder). And to say the US is not hypocritical, well that's just laughable. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #93 September 16, 2006 QuoteQuote How cynical, hypocritical and arrogant. Just like a death cult, which is what islam really is. Now there I think you've gone too far. True, there is a substantial minority within Islam who have turned it into a death cult. However, I believe the majority does consider it a religion of peace. Unfortunately, they too often tend to be a silent majority. The muslims I have worked with are very peaceful people. More peaceful and indeed spiritual than many Christians I know. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #94 September 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnd when those cartoons were published in an Egyptian newspaper months before they appeared in a Danish newspaper, the RHIFWs didn't riot then. Sorry, but you've got the chronology wrong. The drawings were comissioned by the Danish paper and printed there. They were reprinted in Egypt. Several months later a group of muslim clerics travelled the middle east raising hell over the drawings thus starting the riots. What took them so long, then?"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #95 September 16, 2006 I know it'sprobably boring to some here, but I've said it before.... People are pretty much the same the world over... Good, friendly, peace loving. BUT - I'm also aware that Arse Holes are the same the world over too. We (every country) has its own fair share of dick-heads. . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rasmack 0 #96 September 16, 2006 QuoteWhat took them so long, then? Mostly this was all about arab domestic policy. It is easier to keep crowds under control if you make them hate someone else. A little country far away is convenient in this context. However, it took some work by the clerics until the regional bigshots realized the potential of the case. A Danish newspaper is a little less prominent than the pope.HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #97 September 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat took them so long, then? Mostly this was all about arab domestic policy. It is easier to keep crowds under control if you make them hate someone else. A little country far away is convenient in this context. DING-DING-DING!!! We have a winnah!!! mh"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #98 September 16, 2006 I wonder if we'll see an assassination attempt on Benedict anytime soon. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rasmack 0 #99 September 16, 2006 QuoteI wonder if we'll see an assassination attempt on Benedict anytime soon. From followers of the religion of peace? Nooo they wouldn't. HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tink1717 2 #100 September 16, 2006 The response of believers to someone who throws the bullshit flag on religion is always amusing.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) 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kallend 2,070 #83 September 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI had dinner the other night w/ a collegue from work who was your age, John. After dinner, he retired to his hotel room and died in his sleep, an apparent heart attack. Perhaps he met one of our "invisible friends." I don't think your turn is too far off, given average life span of the american male. You ready to take your chances? But what if YOU chose the wrong invisible friend? So many to choose from! You apparently have no problem taking your chance that you might meet Zeus or Woden. For Jews, Christians and Muslims there is only ONE invisable friend, we just fight about how to be his friend. And condemn the others to Hell for getting it wrong. With friends like this, who needs enemies?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,070 #84 September 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteThis is the Danish cartoons all over again. First, the Pope quotes someone else from long ago who suggests that Islam may have a connection with violence. Then the Muslim world goes into a frenzy and starts burning down churches thus confirming that such a connection is alive and kicking. The thing that gets me is the total ignorance of the irony in these situations. Here's the insincerity of it. If the Islamic world were really so adamant about people who would associate their religion with violence, they would have this scale of demonstrations when suicide bombers blow themselves up and kill innocent people. They should take to the streets when Zawahiri speaks of killing Westerners in the name of jihad. They don't. Apparently, they're more upset with the acknowledgement that their religion is connected with violence than the reality of it. well spoken sir. Some people are upset that others acknowledge their religion's association with burnings at the stake and other tortures.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #85 September 16, 2006 I notice you live in the USA. Should you condemn the USA & all it stands for, based on the fact that the USA has also killed & persecuted lots of people? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #86 September 16, 2006 QuoteThis is the Danish cartoons all over again. First, the Pope quotes someone else from long ago who suggests that Islam may have a connection with violence. Then the Muslim world goes into a frenzy and starts burning down churches thus confirming that such a connection is alive and kicking. The thing that gets me is the total ignorance of the irony in these situations. Here's the insincerity of it. If the Islamic world were really so adamant about people who would associate their religion with violence, they would have this scale of demonstrations when suicide bombers blow themselves up and kill innocent people. They should take to the streets when Zawahiri speaks of killing Westerners in the name of jihad. They don't. Apparently, they're more upset with the acknowledgement that their religion is connected with violence than the reality of it. And when those cartoons were published in an Egyptian newspaper months before they appeared in a Danish newspaper, the RHIFWs didn't riot then. I wonder why? Maybe it's because they weren't whipped up into a psychotic frenzy by their so-called "leaders" that time, but the mullahs were ready to go when it suited their purpose. How cynical, hypocritical and arrogant. Just like a death cult, which is what islam really is. mh"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #87 September 16, 2006 QuoteI notice you live in the USA. Should you condemn the USA & all it stands for, based on the fact that the USA has also killed & persecuted lots of people? Don't bother asking him that... he is quite content living in his house of inconsistencies... he has but one agenda here. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #88 September 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis is the Danish cartoons all over again. First, the Pope quotes someone else from long ago who suggests that Islam may have a connection with violence. Then the Muslim world goes into a frenzy and starts burning down churches thus confirming that such a connection is alive and kicking. The thing that gets me is the total ignorance of the irony in these situations. Here's the insincerity of it. If the Islamic world were really so adamant about people who would associate their religion with violence, they would have this scale of demonstrations when suicide bombers blow themselves up and kill innocent people. They should take to the streets when Zawahiri speaks of killing Westerners in the name of jihad. They don't. Apparently, they're more upset with the acknowledgement that their religion is connected with violence than the reality of it. well spoken sir. Some people are upset that others acknowledge their religion's association with burnings at the stake and other tortures. I've never denied that those things occurred. You have a selective memory. Or is it age? Regardless, those things were from centuries ago (that would be years times several HUNDRED) . CENTURIES. Some adherants of the Muslim faith STILL torture and murder heretics. Today. Now. But all I hear you whining and crying about is the Catholic Church. Get the fuck over it. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,070 #89 September 16, 2006 QuoteI notice you live in the USA. Should you condemn the USA & all it stands for, based on the fact that the USA has also killed & persecuted lots of people? Although an absurd and invalid comparison (religions with nations), I will point out that the USA does not claim to be the only way to eternal salvation, condemn all others to Hell, and does not deny its history. The USA acknowledges that it acts in self-interest. The USA is NOT hypocritical like just about every religion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #90 September 16, 2006 QuoteAnd when those cartoons were published in an Egyptian newspaper months before they appeared in a Danish newspaper, the RHIFWs didn't riot then. Sorry, but you've got the chronology wrong. The drawings were comissioned by the Danish paper and printed there. They were reprinted in Egypt. Several months later a group of muslim clerics travelled the middle east raising hell over the drawings thus starting the riots.HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #91 September 16, 2006 Quote How cynical, hypocritical and arrogant. Just like a death cult, which is what islam really is. Now there I think you've gone too far. True, there is a substantial minority within Islam who have turned it into a death cult. However, I believe the majority does consider it a religion of peace. Unfortunately, they too often tend to be a silent majority. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #92 September 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteI notice you live in the USA. Should you condemn the USA & all it stands for, based on the fact that the USA has also killed & persecuted lots of people? Although an absurd and invalid comparison (religions with nations), I will point out that the USA does not claim to be the only way to eternal salvation, condemn all others to Hell, and does not deny its history. The USA acknowledges that it acts in self-interest. The USA is NOT hypocritical like just about every religion. And you're one who can certainly spot an invalid comparison since you make them frequently. Actually, it's quite valid. The Vatican is a city state, an automomous "country" as it were. Addressing the other inaccuracies in your post, the Catholic Church does not condemn others to Hell (in fact it condemns NO ONE to hell), it does NOT deny it's history (I guess the public apologies and writings of JPII are lost to you, pity). And as misguided and wrongful as the inquisition was, those who led it were also acting in the self-interest of the church, just as the United States did when it became the only nation to anhihilate two cities w/ nuclear weapons (365,000 people, just as a reminder). And to say the US is not hypocritical, well that's just laughable. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #93 September 16, 2006 QuoteQuote How cynical, hypocritical and arrogant. Just like a death cult, which is what islam really is. Now there I think you've gone too far. True, there is a substantial minority within Islam who have turned it into a death cult. However, I believe the majority does consider it a religion of peace. Unfortunately, they too often tend to be a silent majority. The muslims I have worked with are very peaceful people. More peaceful and indeed spiritual than many Christians I know. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #94 September 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnd when those cartoons were published in an Egyptian newspaper months before they appeared in a Danish newspaper, the RHIFWs didn't riot then. Sorry, but you've got the chronology wrong. The drawings were comissioned by the Danish paper and printed there. They were reprinted in Egypt. Several months later a group of muslim clerics travelled the middle east raising hell over the drawings thus starting the riots. What took them so long, then?"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #95 September 16, 2006 I know it'sprobably boring to some here, but I've said it before.... People are pretty much the same the world over... Good, friendly, peace loving. BUT - I'm also aware that Arse Holes are the same the world over too. We (every country) has its own fair share of dick-heads. . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #96 September 16, 2006 QuoteWhat took them so long, then? Mostly this was all about arab domestic policy. It is easier to keep crowds under control if you make them hate someone else. A little country far away is convenient in this context. However, it took some work by the clerics until the regional bigshots realized the potential of the case. A Danish newspaper is a little less prominent than the pope.HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #97 September 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat took them so long, then? Mostly this was all about arab domestic policy. It is easier to keep crowds under control if you make them hate someone else. A little country far away is convenient in this context. DING-DING-DING!!! We have a winnah!!! mh"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #98 September 16, 2006 I wonder if we'll see an assassination attempt on Benedict anytime soon. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #99 September 16, 2006 QuoteI wonder if we'll see an assassination attempt on Benedict anytime soon. From followers of the religion of peace? Nooo they wouldn't. HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #100 September 16, 2006 The response of believers to someone who throws the bullshit flag on religion is always amusing.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites