Popes comments on Islam

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Apologies issued during John Paul papacy
By The Associated Press
12 minutes ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060917/ap_on_re_eu/pope_muslims_apologies_1&printer=1



Some instances in which Pope John Paul II admitted errors or apologized for actions of the Roman Catholic Church:

• 1992: Declares the church was wrong to condemn astronomer Galileo for maintaining the earth is not the center of the universe.

• 1992: Visiting Senegal, begs for forgiveness for Christians who were involved in the slave trade.

• 1995: Issues document saying church is "truly sorry" for discrimination or mistreatment of women.

• 1995: During trip to Czech Republic, asks forgiveness for violence by Catholics against Protestants during 16th century Counterreformation.

• 1998: In document on Holocaust, expresses remorse for cowardice of some Christians during Nazi persecution of Jews.

• 1999: Denounces persecution of Jan Hus, 15th century religious reformer and precursor of Protestantism who was burned at stake.

• 2000: Asks forgiveness for sins of Catholics through the ages, including wrongs inflicted on Jews, women and minorities.

• 2000: In stop at Holocaust memorial in Jerusalem, says Catholic Church "deeply saddened by the hatred, acts of persecution and displays of anti-Semitism directed against the Jews by Christians at any time and in any place."

• 2001: On visit to Greece, issues sweeping apology for wrongs committed by Roman Catholics against Orthodox Christians.

• 2001: Apologizes for missionary abuses against indigenous peoples of South Pacific.

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He wasn't revealing his attitudes about Muslims AT ALL!!! Go back and read the speech. He was decrying the wedding of violence and religion.

I'm not pointing a finger here. I'm sure that he has a viewpoint based on a lifetime of observation.
Anyone who says that they don't, is either totally naive,or a phony.

[Royd 0]

Apologies issued during John Paul papacy
By The Associated Press

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12 minutes ago

http://news.yahoo.com/...gies_1&printer=1



Some instances in which Pope John Paul II admitted errors or apologized for actions of the Roman Catholic Church:

• 1992: Declares the church was wrong to condemn astronomer Galileo for maintaining the earth is not the center of the universe.

• 1992: Visiting Senegal, begs for forgiveness for Christians who were involved in the slave trade.

• 1995: Issues document saying church is "truly sorry" for discrimination or mistreatment of women.

• 1995: During trip to Czech Republic, asks forgiveness for violence by Catholics against Protestants during 16th century Counterreformation.

• 1998: In document on Holocaust, expresses remorse for cowardice of some Christians during Nazi persecution of Jews.

• 1999: Denounces persecution of Jan Hus, 15th century religious reformer and precursor of Protestantism who was burned at stake.

• 2000: Asks forgiveness for sins of Catholics through the ages, including wrongs inflicted on Jews, women and minorities.

• 2000: In stop at Holocaust memorial in Jerusalem, says Catholic Church "deeply saddened by the hatred, acts of persecution and displays of anti-Semitism directed against the Jews by Christians at any time and in any place."

• 2001: On visit to Greece, issues sweeping apology for wrongs committed by Roman Catholics against Orthodox Christians.

• 2001: Apologizes for missionary abuses against indigenous peoples of South Pacific.

Sounds like a bad case of Catholic guilt.

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Here's the Pope's latest statement, delivered in person:

"At this time I wish also to add that I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address," the pope told pilgrims Sunday.

Is it an apology?

for what exactlyt?

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[jakee 1,536]

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Genesis 16:11-12 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction.
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man and every man's hand against him.

It's in their blood. they just can't help it.

Please tell me that you realise muslims aren't all related.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Apologies issued during John Paul papacy
By The Associated Press

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12 minutes ago

http://news.yahoo.com/...gies_1&printer=1



Some instances in which Pope John Paul II admitted errors or apologized for actions of the Roman Catholic Church:

• 1992: Declares the church was wrong to condemn astronomer Galileo for maintaining the earth is not the center of the universe.

• 1992: Visiting Senegal, begs for forgiveness for Christians who were involved in the slave trade.

• 1995: Issues document saying church is "truly sorry" for discrimination or mistreatment of women.

• 1995: During trip to Czech Republic, asks forgiveness for violence by Catholics against Protestants during 16th century Counterreformation.

• 1998: In document on Holocaust, expresses remorse for cowardice of some Christians during Nazi persecution of Jews.

• 1999: Denounces persecution of Jan Hus, 15th century religious reformer and precursor of Protestantism who was burned at stake.

• 2000: Asks forgiveness for sins of Catholics through the ages, including wrongs inflicted on Jews, women and minorities.

• 2000: In stop at Holocaust memorial in Jerusalem, says Catholic Church "deeply saddened by the hatred, acts of persecution and displays of anti-Semitism directed against the Jews by Christians at any time and in any place."

• 2001: On visit to Greece, issues sweeping apology for wrongs committed by Roman Catholics against Orthodox Christians.

• 2001: Apologizes for missionary abuses against indigenous peoples of South Pacific.

Sounds like a bad case of Catholic guilt.

Oh INDEED!!!!

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

[TheAnvil 0]

I just had my first tequila of the day, thank you, and the Patron is quite tasty. I tend to dwell in the present. The victims of the Inquisition and Galileo being dead for quite some time along with all who knew them, I'd figure it res ipsa loquitor that I wasn't referring to them when I asked you for what Benedict should be apologizing. Let me rephrase - what makes you think Benedict should apologize to the Islamic world for with regards to any statements he made in his recent speech?

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
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I just had my first tequila of the day, thank you, and the Patron is quite tasty. I tend to dwell in the present. The victims of the Inquisition and Galileo being dead for quite some time along with all who knew them, I'd figure it res ipsa loquitor that I wasn't referring to them when I asked you for what Benedict should be apologizing. Let me rephrase - what makes you think Benedict should apologize the the Islamic world for anything regarding statements he made in his speech?

Hey Vin, pass the Patron, por favor.

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

[TheAnvil 0]

OK...you have to come and get it though...I can't throw that far and would drink the rest on the way to see you.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

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OK...you have to come and get it though...I can't throw that far and would drink the rest on the way to see you.

Oh come ON!!! After the package I sent to YOU?? Show some restraint and hook a brutha UP!

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

[TheAnvil 0]

I'll gladly pass you the bottle...

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

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I'll gladly pass you the bottle...

That's more like it! Cheers mate!

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

[TheAnvil 0]

Ahhh...tequila....

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

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Ahhh...tequila....

ahh....

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

[kallend 2,070]

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I just had my first tequila of the day, thank you, and the Patron is quite tasty. I tend to dwell in the present. The victims of the Inquisition and Galileo being dead for quite some time along with all who knew them, I'd figure it res ipsa loquitor that I wasn't referring to them when I asked you for what Benedict should be apologizing. Let me rephrase - what makes you think Benedict should apologize to the Islamic world for with regards to any statements he made in his recent speech?

Did I say he should apologize?

I only recall commenting on how long it took the Roman CHurch to apologize for anything.

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I just had my first tequila of the day, thank you, and the Patron is quite tasty. I tend to dwell in the present. The victims of the Inquisition and Galileo being dead for quite some time along with all who knew them, I'd figure it res ipsa loquitor that I wasn't referring to them when I asked you for what Benedict should be apologizing. Let me rephrase - what makes you think Benedict should apologize to the Islamic world for with regards to any statements he made in his recent speech?

Did I say he should apologize?

I only recall commenting on how long it took the Roman CHurch to apologize for anything.

Then put your money where your mouth is.

Should Benedict apologize (for quoting someone in a speech that has been taken completely out of context and has been used as an excuse to launch into wild protests against him)?

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

[Amazon 7]

Dont you just love all the VIOLENCE in the Muslim world.....about some comments of the pope... quoting a medieval Byzantine emperor who was commenting on the Violence of Muslims..... you would think IF.....they wanted to PROVE that it really was NOT a religieon based on VIOLENCE that they might finbd a better way than to attack churches... kill people.... and riot in the streets.. ...

Seems to me... that yes.. there seem to be many who feel that their religion has to be violent to get their point across.

[Skyrad 0]

With 1,500,000,000(1,5 billion) Muslims in the world, its simply stupid to say that MANY Muslims turn to violence. Clearly this is not the case.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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What took them so long, then?

Lack of TVs?

We are all engines of karma

[Andy9o8 2]

Do I think Benedict really meant to insult Islam? No. Yes, it was merely an allusion in a scholarly text, and yes, it was taken out of context.

But as gaffes by major world leaders go, this one was pretty dumbass and bush league. I don't really blame Benedict; aside from being a priest, he's by nature more of a cloistered academic than anything else. But certainly his speeches are written (or at least co-authored) by speechwriters as much as the President's are; and his staff is supposed to be made up of seasoned administrative and political professionals. The speech should have been throroughly vetted before it was "locked", and it obviously wasn't. Then, once the shit hit the fan, the way they handled the damage control was appallingly incompetent. That's really why he should apologize, since the buck stops with him.

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Should Benedict apologize (for quoting someone in a speech that has been taken completely out of context and has been used as an excuse to launch into wild protests against him)?

In such violent times, one should choose their words carefully, regardless if they are their own or qouted from text. Though, I do not believe he spoke them in the manner in which they were recieved, he is responsible for them, none the less.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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I just had my first tequila of the day, thank you, and the Patron is quite tasty. I tend to dwell in the present. The victims of the Inquisition and Galileo being dead for quite some time along with all who knew them, I'd figure it res ipsa loquitor that I wasn't referring to them when I asked you for what Benedict should be apologizing. Let me rephrase - what makes you think Benedict should apologize to the Islamic world for with regards to any statements he made in his recent speech?

Did I say he should apologize?

I only recall commenting on how long it took the Roman CHurch to apologize for anything.

Then put your money where your mouth is.

Should Benedict apologize (for quoting someone in a speech that has been taken completely out of context and has been used as an excuse to launch into wild protests against him)?

A Pox on all of them. Organized religion is the cause of 90% of the strife in this world. Statistics cause the remaining 10%.

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Yeah but at least the head extortionist in the vatican has declared that Harry Potter himself is the anti christ.

You just can't make this stuff up

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[TheAnvil 0]

and he's responsible for the ignorance and hypersensitivity of others....why, exactly?

The shitheads running Iran and Pakistani ISI are inciting these riots, I have little doubt, just like the Danish cartoon imbroglio. Such antics on the part of Muslims make it quite difficult to imagine how such people can ever hope to coexist with a society that values a free press.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
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and he's responsible for the ignorance and hypersensitivity of others....why, exactly?

The shitheads running Iran and Pakistani ISI are inciting these riots, I have little doubt, just like the Danish cartoon imbroglio. Such antics on the part of Muslims make it quite difficult to imagine how such people can ever hope to coexist with a society that values a free press.

The Pope is not responsible for the outcome. He is, however, responsible for his speech. For someone in such a position as his to use ancient text without clarifaction to his intent for using such is irresponsible. I honestly believe that he did not intend for it to be recieved in the manner that it was but, in a world in which so much is twisted, those in power should choose their words extremely carefully or accept the outcome as everything slants the wrong way. I also believe that certain clerics are only waiting for something like this to use as a tool to incite rage. For that, they are responsible not the Pope.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young