kallend 2,026 #51 September 21, 2006 QuoteGlad to see that our academics have a firm grasp on reality...Ivory towers are a bitch, huh? John, we've had that sort of conversation more then one, huh? There are over 3,000 colleges and universities in the USA with around 300,000 faculty. There are at least as many scientists outside of universities. If there are only 75 kooks among them, I'd say that is way better than most occupations, such as the police. WHO classified these as "top" scientists, anyway?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livetofall 0 #52 September 21, 2006 QuoteNews:Academics claim 9/11 was 'inside job' "The 9/11 terrorist attack on America which left almost 3,000 people dead was an "inside job", according to a group of leading academics. "Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe the attacks were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to justify the invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries..."Source: Global Research Gosh, there sure are a lot of goofy college professors and scientists out there... I knew this was a big set up to take our mind off of the encnomy and stock crash of summer 2001, all our work in China, and of course to kill Hillary and then bring people together in a false patriotism!! Then I finally dropped the crack pipe. I cant wait to see how many books these professors sell on this. With all the governemnt funded college cuts they needed to find some way to pay the bills. hey the liberals will buy this up like the4 Bible. God bless capitalism!www.911missinglinks.com the definitive truth of 9/11..the who and why, not how You can handle the TRUTH www.theforbiddentruth.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #53 September 21, 2006 "top professors and leading scientists" Top professors & Leading Scientists??!! By whose estimation?? That website's?? I think we need to take a look at some of the other articles on that website before trusting their estimation of who is a "top scientist". Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #54 September 21, 2006 Sad pathetic poll results. And please define "leading scientist". I really think this is the beginning of the end of rationalism. The clock is ticking on the new Dark Ages, dark through utter obfuscation and stupidity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #55 September 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteI've seen several police officers who think the attacks were a conspiracy too. Obviously police officers are gullible idiots who really shouldn't be trusted with the task of protecting the public. Did they try to go public with a position paper or is it just their personal opinion? Does it matter? They all share the same opinion. Using the opinion of 75 mediocre college lecturers to bash the entire 'Ivory tower' university system is reverse elitism at its very, very best.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #56 September 21, 2006 QuoteYeah, because, you know, such complex ideas can be pieced together in just, oh...eight months??? !!!??? I don't really agree with these "top" and "leading" professors and scientists. But to think that leading figures in the current administration never got together and planned for the future prior to getting elected is really silly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #57 September 21, 2006 They discovered it was going to happen, but did little to prevent it - so as to use the situation for their ultimate goals - fact! Ask anyone! Just like they never landed on the moon! Just like they keep martians secret! Just li........ I can't be arsed. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #58 September 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteHey that’s a good explanation that I didn’t think about, and it makes since sense Then why did you jump to a conclusion that it was a White House conspiracy (message #17), before bothering to research the facts and find out the truth? If you don't know the facts, then your proper response is to reserve judgement until you do - not to go ahead and jump to anti-American conclusions. That's the same kind of thing which you insist that all us Americans should do regarding your fellow Muslims. "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." - The Golden Rule Get your head out of "Rolling Stone" and read some real magazines. Oh god John do you ever comprehend what you read. I said I want to know the truth. I didn’t say yes 9-11 was conspiracy and I know the US government is at fault. I also didn’t say no it could not be possible for the government to do such evil things. I simply questioned and state that I would love to see an independent investigation to prove it once and for all. John How much do you love me man no really like this [] much or like this [ ] much? What magazines do you recommend? And so far John the articles I have posted that I got from Rolling STONED are all articles that you have not been able to prove wrong. You usually just attack me or Rolling STONED with out any facts.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #59 September 21, 2006 People are stuffing the ballot box. Clicking on "yes" a bunch of times without logging in. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #60 September 21, 2006 QuoteHow many rednecks d'ya think believe the conspiracy theories? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...and tv-wrestling is real, the moon walk was faked, and Elvis is alive on a secret island with JFK. And don't forget, Diana and Dodi were murdered by Prince Philip of England. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
no7rosman 0 #61 September 22, 2006 If you google search that book you will see the Chief Editor for Popular Mechanics is cousins to the Secretary of Homeland Security. Chertoff is their last name. There is also a video called Loose Change that can be see for free at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726 I am very intersted in this subject. I put a link to this video and was basically scorned by all DZ.commers because it had been over argued...I never did find the thread. I thought it was awful odd there was no dead bodies found at the pentagon. Also if you look at the pictures of the petagon before the roof caved in the hole is an almost perfect 16' diameter hole. There were no holes from the wings and engines...(In fact they never found any engines) There is actually a window right next the hole fully in tact. And there are absolutely zero facts indicating a plane hit the Pentagon. It seems there lots who are critisizing Conspiracy Theorys with no facts. Yes they did find one person who said they saw a plane hit the Pentagon...But there is a lot more people who saw and heard something else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #62 September 22, 2006 QuoteAnd there are absolutely zero facts indicating a plane hit the Pentagon. So where is AA flight No 77 and the people who were on it?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #63 September 22, 2006 Quote thought it was awful odd there was no dead bodies found at the pentagon. Also if you look at the pictures of the petagon before the roof caved in the hole is an almost perfect 16' diameter hole. There were no holes from the wings and engines...(In fact they never found any engines) There is actually a window right next the hole fully in tact. . . . There were dead bodies found. Do a search. there's their charred remains on the internet. . . .That perfect hole was an exit hole on the opposite side of one of the concentric buildings. . . .There were a lot of engine parts everywhere. At least one high-speed turbine/compressor disc survived somewhat intact. . . .Wings and fuselage and their skeletal members are the softer metals of the plane. What was found there were wheel rims, landing gear and pieces of engines that survived the high temperatures of the fires that otherwise disentigrated the rest of the plane. did they find any wings at the Twin Towers? QuoteAnd there are absolutely zero facts indicating a plane hit the Pentagon. It seems there lots who are critisizing Conspiracy Theorys with no facts There were a lot of facts and proof that a plane hit the Pentagon. Unfortunately, Conspiracy Theorists are rarely employed in those positions that would allow on-the-site access to the Pentagon or Groom Lake for that matter._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #64 September 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnd there are absolutely zero facts indicating a plane hit the Pentagon. So where is AA flight No 77 and the people who were on it? They're being held by the government at Area 51, obivously. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #65 September 22, 2006 war is not pro-life. EVERYTHING THE STATE SAYS IS A LIE-NIETZCHE www.freedomtofascism.com www.hermes-press.com [/url] www.whatreallyhappened.com[url]we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #66 September 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteAnd there are absolutely zero facts indicating a plane hit the Pentagon. So where is AA flight No 77 and the people who were on it? They're being held by the government at Area 51, obivously. Only until they were extradited without hearings to Mars for anal probing.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #67 September 22, 2006 Maybe people want a war. It's good to smash the fuck out people you dislike for your own gains, as does it make good entertainment for the poor chaps unable to fight. What's your problem? Edit: er... joking, right? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #68 September 22, 2006 Quotewar is not pro-life. EVERYTHING THE STATE SAYS IS A LIE-NIETZCHE www.freedomtofascism.com www.hermes-press.com [/url] www.whatreallyhappened.com[url] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Concerning the "Lie of the Century"/McCollum memo: The eight points described are not anything not already known. They were prudent steps given the imperialistic Japanese actions and war they started in China, etc. Now, if we had ambushed the Japanese fleet as they approached for the attack on Pearl Harbor, that might be more convincing. Despite the correct assessment of the Japanese intentions overall, they still were stupid enough to be caught off guard. What would have been the benefit to letting them be so successful (apart from the carriers being away) compared to ambushing them on the way? We still would have been at war with them, and would have been in a much better position to win that war more quickly. FDR and his advisors screwed up, despite the fact that they had the right intuition about the Japanese intentions. It doesn't have to be more complicated than that. One should not underestimate the ability of our leaders to be incompetent.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
no7rosman 0 #69 September 22, 2006 . . . There were dead bodies found. Do a search. there's their charred remains on the internet. _______________________________________________ Please Post them. I have not seen any. And I have scoured the net. All of the pictures I have seen show a relatively "clean" lawn at the pentagon. That's what all the news people were saying when they were standing at the fence of the Pentagon moments after it happened too. ______________________________________________ . . .That perfect hole was an exit hole on the opposite side of one of the concentric buildings. _______________________________________________ I know which hole was the exit hole. The entrance hole looked very much like it before the roof caved in. These pictures are also posted on the net. ________________________________________________ . . .There were a lot of engine parts everywhere. At least one high-speed turbine/compressor disc survived somewhat intact. ________________________________________________ There were not "a lot" of engine parts all over. In fact the reports say and pictures show that most of the wreckage could be carried off the lawn by hand. The engine manufacturer issued a report and said that disc was absolutely no part of their engine. It was way to small. Boeing wouldn't comment. ________________________________________________ . . .Wings and fuselage and their skeletal members are the softer metals of the plane. What was found there were wheel rims, landing gear and pieces of engines that survived the high temperatures of the fires that otherwise disentigrated the rest of the plane. _______________________________________________ I have not seen any pictures of wings, or tail sections, or any of that big stuff. I agree lots of stuff gets disentigrated from the high speed, but the fires aren't all that hot....Kerosene doesn't burn that hot. Certainly not hot enough to decenigrate the engines. And other than the picture of that little object mentioned above...I have seen no pictures of the engines. did they find any wings at the Twin Towers? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There a lot of facts and proof that a plane hit the Pentagon. Unfortunately, Conspiracy Theorists are rarely employed in those positions that would allow on-the-site access to the Pentagon or Groom Lake for that matter. ___________________________________________ You are correct. Only select people were allowed on the site. However there were news reporters with good lenses showing the lawn. Numberous reporters said "We have reports that Airplane hit the Pentagon, but we see no signs of it." These are live reports. Not trying to get people stirred up. I just think there are lots of good questions going unanswered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #70 September 22, 2006 Hence daft conspiracy theorists going mental. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #71 September 22, 2006 That stuff is just so much bullshit. The same people lying about the lack of evidence are lying about the rebuttal of their claims, and you are obviously inclined to believe them. I think that sort of loyalty only happens because you want to believe them. They are lying to you. Many, many people saw it and told their account. Have you tried Snopes.com or Urbanlegends.com. If you want to believe it is true, however, then I don't think there is anything that will be convincing.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
no7rosman 0 #72 September 23, 2006 Sounds good. If you have time...watch this and see what you think. It is only about 2 minutes long. http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Main They are high res pictures, proving what you have called bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #73 September 24, 2006 Your link didn't work, video didn't run. What about the rebuttal to the conspiracy claims don't you accept. Because they have made all the arguments against the claims.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
no7rosman 0 #74 September 24, 2006 They only write and talk about the theorys that are easy to prove invalid. I agree there a lots of crazy ideas. But they don't address the really hard ones. How often do you see the Pentagon in the news compared to the big towers. I cut and pasted the link in my browser and it worked fine. I attached a couple pictures if you want to take a look. Look for the holes where the wings and engines went in. Notice the lawn on the second one. Don't forget these are both within 45 minutes of impact...that is how long it took for the roof to cave in. (Not time for cleanup) That is the entrance hole they are spraying water into. Could a 757 have made that hole? I am not sure.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #75 September 24, 2006 Those pics are useless. So, you agree that many/most of the assertions are crazy, but hold out for an explanation to the "hard ones". The fact that the conspiracy advocates put forth so many crazy ideas should make you wonder why you should believe anything they put forward. Which "hard ones" do you have trouble with. Why do people think that the structure of an airplane is such a solid object? They are designed to withstand aerodynamic forces with as little weight as possible. They do not hold up well to impacting the ground or concrete/steel buildings.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
