War to end all wars

[Amazon 7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-apocalyptic

DUDE havent you seen the ROADWARRIOR movies??? LOTS of kewl sandbuggies

Or Horses with the POSTMAN...

ON THE BEACH and NOONE survives the radiation even in the Southern Hemisphere..

The Day After gives an interesting post war view...

How about THE OMEGA MAN Post Biological war...


Then again a Pandemic is bound to break out soon... or ..hell the HOTSPOT under Yellowstone could pop... its about due.. that would be far worse than what we can do to ourselves.

[jakee 1,536]

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or ..hell the HOTSPOT under Yellowstone could pop... its about due..

Y'know, even though that has the potential to be a global extinction event, it would be way cool wouldn't it

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Amazon 7]

Considering the ash deposits they have found in the North Atlantic and their depth that far away from the caldera... yeah...

[kelpdiver 2]

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What I'm asking, is what would a world look like without war, what would we live like without war. How would nations interact. The reason it doesn't exist, is cause people don't think it can, so its not a possibility, so few work, think, act, and demand leadership in that direction. Your god damn people who will get out of a plane, what does out of the box look like on this one, don't be an in the box looser, theres already too many of these, they called woofoo's, cmon

you're looking for a reality where people no longer have material wants - either because they all became Jesus, or because their needs are being well met.

Hard to see this in a world that shows more signs of declining material goods.

Working fusion power (and available to all) would seem to be a prerequisite to a change.

[Guest]

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The only war I'd ever fight in would be a war to end war. People thought ww1 and ww2 were suppose to do this. What do you think it'd look like, life afterward. If you can't see it, don't post, you're still in the box

"Only the dead have seen the end of war." -- Plato

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[skysaintj 0]

... There's no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing good in war. Except its ending.

If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it

[Royd 0]

Once that person starts eating the vegetables that I need to sustain
>me through the winter, there has to be an accounting.

>Whether through voluntary or forced labor of the idle, or elimination
>of the problem.

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Right. And our level of maturity as a people determines whether that solution is "grow more vegetables" or "kill him" (or something in between.)

So, you're willing to work twice as hard so that the man sitting on your fence waiting for a handout doesn't go hungry?

Not me.

[Lindsey 0]

There was that "or something in between" option. :)

That's the one I'd go with.

linz

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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail

[freethefly 6]

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If there were no war everyone would be making love, and overpopulating the already crowded earth.

That is one of the most idiotic things I have ever read here in SC (not a P.A. just stating the obvious). Besides, does it not say in the bible to go forth and be fruitful? And you dare to call yourself a christian.
From Genesis
6 Whoever sheds man' blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
7 And you, be you fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[jakee 1,536]

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So, you're willing to work twice as hard so that the man sitting on your fence waiting for a handout doesn't go hungry?

What about the guys that work double the hours you do and get paid 20USD a month?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[freeflir29 0]

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What about the guys that work double the hours you do and get paid 20USD a month?

Sounds like they need a better job.

[Royd 0]

If there were no war everyone would be making love, and overpopulating the already crowded earth.

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That is one of the most idiotic things I have ever read here in SC (not a P.A. just stating the obvious). Besides, does it not say in the bible to go forth and be fruitful? And you dare to call yourself a christian.

Apparently, you can't read the words on the button that says, "Push here."

[Royd 0]

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What about the guys that work double the hours you do and get paid 20USD a month?

I don't know about GB, but in the US we have something called the minimum wage.

And, no, I am not responsible for the person who spent his formative years picking his nose, any more than someone else is responsible for the results of my foolishness.

[freethefly 6]

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Apparently, you can't read the words on the button that says, "Push here."

Button? What button? Clarify please. Oh, may I add that I read extremely well. Yet, what I do not understand is how you can say that you are a christian yet, most of what you post indicates quite the opposite. If there is a god, pseudo-christianity will most likely earn you a first class ticket straight to hell. Your crimes are that you rail for war and death, you wish to kick the sick (in the past you made some ignorant comments about people with AIDS)and you dispise the poor. Not very christ like are you? A true christian would promote peace, tend to the sick and help the poor to better themselves. Kindly drop the mask, please.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[freeflir29 0]

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A true christian would promote peace, tend to the sick and help the poor to better themselves. Kindly drop the mask, please.

This calls for an excellent quote from Air America.


"I never said I was a 'good' Buddhist."


God is supposed to forgive our sins and help us through these trying times. I certainly hope he helps me shoot straighter than my enemy.

[Royd 0]

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Button? What button? Clarify please. Oh, may I add that I read extremely well. Yet, what I do not understand is how you can say that you are a christian yet, most of what you post indicates quite the opposite. If there is a god, pseudo-christianity will most likely earn you a first class ticket straight to hell. Your crimes are that you rail for war and death, you wish to kick the sick (in the past you made some ignorant comments about people with AIDS)and you dispise the poor. Not very christ like are you? A true christian would promote peace, tend to the sick and help the poor to better themselves. Kindly drop the mask, please.

I just chose not to allow my faith in Christ to be used as a doormat by those who choose not to believe, yet think that they can play the compassion card to their advantage.

Isn't it amazing that a man can stand on an entrance ramp with some pitiful sign for 10 hours a day, but if you offered him a job, he'd tell you to go to hell.
I honestly have no need for such people.

[jakee 1,536]

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I don't know about GB, but in the US we have something called the minimum wage.

And, no, I am not responsible for the person who spent his formative years picking his nose, any more than someone else is responsible for the results of my foolishness.

You miss the point completely with such a narrow world view. Most of the world is not like the US and Europe where anyone can succeed.

I'm talking about places like Thailand, Indonesia, central Africa. You don't think you owe anything to the lady who sewed up your brand new Nikes for 10 cents an hour?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Royd 0]

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You miss the point completely with such a narrow world view. Most of the world is not like the US and Europe where anyone can succeed.

I'm talking about places like Thailand, Indonesia, central Africa. You don't think you owe anything to the lady who sewed up your brand new Nikes for 10 cents an hour?

If anyone owes them a hand up, it is the people directly responsible for their well being, that is their governments and employers. Gee, now I'm sounding like a socialist.

If I thought for one minute that paying an extra dollar for an item would actually get into the hands of the workers, I'd say, no problem, but it doesn't.

Just like the great U.N. oil for food program.

The largest part of the world governments do not have a checks and balances system, and leaders often become corrupt, or rather, reveal their corruptness.

[Royd 0]

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Yet, what I do not understand is how you can say that you are a christian yet, most of what you post indicates quite the opposite. If there is a god, pseudo-christianity will most likely earn you a first class ticket straight to hell. Your crimes are that you rail for war and death, you wish to kick the sick (in the past you made some ignorant comments about people with AIDS)and you dispise the poor. Not very christ like are you? A true christian would promote peace, tend to the sick and help the poor to better themselves. Kindly drop the mask, please.

I guess there are different flavors of Christians.

Some are turn the other cheek Christians, others are, if you do not work, you shall not eat Christians.

I choose the latter. It tends to make better, more responsible people, which leads to a functional society.

As for the poor, at least in this country, they are largely self made.
Only the young, the very old, the seriously mentally ill, and those with serious handicaps[ I'm not talking about skydivers who misjudged their swoop by three ft.] deserve the welfare of the public.

And yes, the contraction of AIDS, for the large part is due to a foolish act.

[freethefly 6]

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I guess there are different flavors of Christians.

WRONG!!!! There is only ONE type of christian and YOU are not IT!!!!!

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As for the poor, at least in this country, they are largely self made.

BULLSHIT!!!! Things DO happen that is far beyond the control of many that brought them down to the level of losing everything. Take off your freaking blinders!!!

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Only the young, the very old, the seriously mentally ill, and those with serious handicaps[ I'm not talking about skydivers who misjudged their swoop by three ft.] deserve the welfare of the public.

Best hope that you never find yourself in a position where you need help ie; car accident, work accident, skydive accident, serious illness. After the insurance runs out, your on your own. Not even Medicare is going to do much for you.

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And yes, the contraction of AIDS, for the large part is due to a foolish act.

You're just pathetic. Take off your mask and just admit that you have a serious case of hating people for whatever pathetic reason you have.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[freeflir29 0]

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WRONG!!!! There is only ONE type of christian and YOU are not IT!!!!!

So we should cut off his head!!!!!!!!







Oh wait..........I'm not a Muslim.

[pirana 0]

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Not all wars are done ut of ignorance or fear. In fact, a good deal of wars have been started due to personal disagreements between rulers, power grabs, economic or strategic reasons, expansion of power base and what have you. Cleary, there can be rational reasons to go to war. They may not be moral reasons - but rational, well thought out ones nonetheless.

And you may go to war because someone tried to kill your dad. Or because you really can't stand that *idiotic* Swedish king and he just have *got* to be taught a lesson.

We're humans - flock animals. We protect our group and care less about other groups. Been that way for ages.

Those are all just variations of fear. Fear that you won't have access to enough resources, fear that they'll attack first, fear that some need won't be met, fear of looking bad (or not looking good), fear of giving up a way of life, etc.. I can't think of any destructive or otherwise dysfunctional behavior that isn't bottom line driven by fear of unmet needs.

Anger is in there too, as an outward manifestation of fear about some need that wasn't, isn't, or won't be met. It is perfectly rational (not in a makes sense sort of way, but in an understanding motives way), even though it doesn't solve the problem in the long term. It usually just plants the seeds for the next round of war.

Anger resolves problems like a high speed fan resolves a pile of loose paper.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[pirana 0]

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Your god damn people who will get out of a plane, what does out of the box look like on this one, don't be an in the box looser, theres already too many of these, they called woofoo's, cmon.

Are you calling us "God damn . . . woofoo's?" Thems fighting words. DOH!

But seriously, I think I see what you're saying now. And I think it is the nature of the beast, remnants of when being greedy was necessary for survival. That nature will need to change - to evolve. Civilization has not yet evolved to the point of letting go, or for the social Darwinists, we've not had enough people living easy long enough for the survive-by-being-greedy genes to lose their grip on our psyche.

Most of the world still wants as much of the fixed pie as they can get, without consideration for what anybody else might or might not be getting. We justify it by citing things like work ethic, survival of the fittest (isn't that telling of our psyche - I can get more than I need, so I'll take more than I need), racial superiority, and so forth. So many people WANT way more, incredibly much more, than we NEED.

Give it time. I mean civilization as we know it has been around for about 10K years, and on that timescale we are just barely past the point of feeling we have the right to own and enslave fellow humans. (And some still think it is OK). Humans will mature as a group, and then the outliers (like Hitler, that guy in the Congo that liked to eat people, and rap music producers) will have a much harder time convincing large groups of people that killing over insults, the price of oil, lines drawn on a map, etc is just plain ineffective behavior.

Might take a while though. Evidence suggests that humans are very slowly evolving animals; not to mention that we have been slowly eliminating many of the threats that typically would pressure a species to adapt. Hmmmm, we just might be fucked after all.

Humanity - it's a crapshoot.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[billvon 3,031]

>So, you're willing to work twice as hard so that the man sitting
>on your fence waiting for a handout doesn't go hungry?

If need be. I'd much rather help him plant a garden though. I suspect you would be, too. Isn't that easier than killing him?

>Some are turn the other cheek Christians . . .

Those would be the ones that follow the teachings of Christ.

>others are, if you do not work, you shall not eat Christians.

Those would be the sort of Christians who do not follow the teachings of Christ.

[billvon 3,031]

>You're just pathetic.

Enough with the PA's.