jakee 1,536 #51 September 25, 2006 Quote If I thought for one minute that paying an extra dollar for an item would actually get into the hands of the workers, I'd say, no problem, but it doesn't. Thats not the only thing that can be done. Quote If anyone owes them a hand up, it is the people directly responsible for their well being, that is their governments and employers. We profit every day from their cheap labour, the failure to pay a living wage to hundreds of thousands of workers has a direct impact on the cost of many of our day to day goods. Should we not be grateful? Also (especially in the case of western Europe) the legacy of colonialism and botched handovers of power leave us responsible in a large part for the descent of many states into corruption, war and dictatorships.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #52 September 26, 2006 I guess there are different flavors of Christians. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote WRONG!!!! There is only ONE type of christian and YOU are not IT!!!!! Haven't I found you attacking Christianity as if you didn't believe in it. All of you agnostic/ atheists have a subjective veiw of all things, but you do not allow me the same choice of my interpretation of the Bible. Who's the hypocrite here? When you openly proclaim your faith in Christ, then you can critisize my veiwpoint. Until then, I'm not going to work twice as much so that some person who has decided that the world owes them something just because they exist, doesn't have to hit a lick. That's not hate, that's common sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #53 September 26, 2006 I have no doubt that Jesus existed. I believe that he was an actual person although I do have reservations as to the claim that he was the son of God. I also believe that much in the NT is good words to live by the same as I believe that the Tao Teh Ching is a good book to live by. I have no problem with christians. My mother is a christian. The majority of my family are christians. I, myself, am more spiritual. I once believed that I could pick and choose as to how things should be and thought that just because I had a fat bank account and worked harder than the guy who had very little that it was alright to look down on him. I was wrong. I found out the hard way when I got sick and lost everything. I choose to view us all as equals now and rightfully so. Bad things can happen to even the richest as it can happen to the poorest. I give thanks that I am alive even though I am nowhere close to what I use to be. But, hey, I am happy with that and would gladly give my last dollar to help someone who is worst off than me. What goes around eventually come back. It is karma."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #54 September 26, 2006 Quote If need be. I'd much rather help him plant a garden though. I suspect you would be, too. Isn't that easier than killing him? Nope...........from just a physical effort expended and time spent point of view.........it's far easier to just shoot him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,031 #55 September 26, 2006 > When you openly proclaim your faith in Christ, then you can critisize my veiwpoint. >Until then, I'm not going to work twice as much so that some person >who has decided that the world owes them something just because they >exist, doesn't have to hit a lick. >That's not hate, that's common sense. That's fine - but it goes exactly counter to what Jesus taught. From the Sermon on the Mount - "If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away." Not saying that charity is right or wrong, but invoking christianity in defense of not giving to those less fortunate makes little sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #56 September 26, 2006 Quote I, myself, am more spiritual. ....... What goes around eventually come back. It is karma. I find these types of beliefs just as superstitious as any formalized religion. It's just a way of saying "I'm religious, just in a more enlightened way then all you other savages...." ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,536 #57 September 26, 2006 Quote I find these types of beliefs just as superstitious as any formalized religion. It's just a way of saying "I'm religious, just in a more enlightened way then all you other savages...." Yeah, its all like "I don't believe in any of that stuff, but there is this cosmic force that yada yada yada." Its all just semantics eh?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #58 September 27, 2006 Quote I find these types of beliefs just as superstitious as any formalized religion. It's just a way of saying "I'm religious, just in a more enlightened way then all you other savages...." I won't argue this as you are most likely right. I view spiritualism as something more within a person than outside. Being a better person by putting others ahead of you when you are already doing just fine is what everyone should do. If each and every person on this planet did just that and left religion out of the reason maybe some forms of war would be a thing of the past. Maybe all wars would be a thing of the past. Should not the human condition be considered first?"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #59 September 27, 2006 Quote .... I view spiritualism as something more within a person than outside. Being a better person by putting others ahead of you when you are already doing just fine is what everyone should do. If each and every person on this planet did just that straight out of most any religious document - party platform, business vision but good sentiment it's not the belief systems themselves that do it - it's the misapplication of the good intention most are founded on but I could say the same for Enron, the two political parties, Coka Cola, Ford, etc...... Any power system attracts the corruptible. So what you are really saying, it that organized power structures are bad. The alternative is anarchy, which would only work if every single individual is completely trustworthy and altruistic and well educated and informed (and to the same level as everyone else). Which is also impossible - life has variation. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
