Another School shooting- An Amish school 6 dead No this is not a joke I wish it was.

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/02/amish.shooting/


Edit as they are not sure of the gun man was from the school.

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I wonder if people are going to blame this on video game violence?

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/02/amish.shooting/


Edit as they are not sure of the gun man was from the school.

These people are programmed...

Three in a week, is no coincidence. The kid killing his head-master may be an exception though.

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I wonder if people are going to blame this on video game violence?

Two of the shooters this past week were over 30 years old. I'd have jumped on the video game band-wagon, until I saw the ages...

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I wonder if people are going to blame this on video game violence?

Nope, probably will turn into an anti-religion bash.

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You know I usually blame the parents and our way of life. Not the video games just that parents are to busy working and making money to be parents. I am a firm believer that one parent should stay at home and raise the kids.

Now when this happened I basically thought I was wrong, but we still have no idea who the shooter is. If he is Amish or not.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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there was another update on this, dude was older and was getting revenge from something that happened 20 years ago

They also said that he let the boys go, and the preg, or ones with small kids. He bound up and shot the girls execution style.

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Truck driver kills three girls in Amish school shooting
POSTED: 2:45 p.m. EDT, October 2, 2006

PARADISE, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- A man apparently targeting young girls walked into a one-room Amish schoolhouse and shot three students to death before killing himself, police said Monday. Seven others were wounded in the attack.

"It seems as though he wanted to attack young female victims, and this is close to his residence, that's the only reason we can figure that he went to the school," said Comm. Jeffrey Miller, Pennsylvania State Police.

The shooting took place at Wolf Rock School in Paradise, a school run by the Amish community with about 27 students in grades 1 through 8.

One of the children died in the arms of a trooper, Miller said.

The gunman, Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, was a truck driver, said Miller. He was not Amish. He had three children, and left several notes for his family "along the lines of suicide notes," Miller said.

Police said he had barricaded himself in the schoolhouse two-by-four and two-by-six pieces of lumber.

Fifteen male students between the ages of six and 13 were released from the school, Miller said.

At least five young girls with gunshot wounds were taken to area hospitals, a spokeswoman said.
Gunman let boys go

Miller said that during the attack, Roberts apparently told students to line up in front of the blackboard. He began to tie his female captives' feet together. Then he let the boys in the classroom leave.

Miller said Roberts also allowed an adult female who was pregnant to leave and three other adult females who had infant children with them.

At the time he let them leave, the teacher was able to get out of the schoolhouse and alert authorities, Miller said. (Watch police investigate shooting scene -- 1:00)

Miller said Roberts called his wife while he was inside the school. She said he didn't know where he was, but that he couldn't go on any more and he was getting revenge for something that happened 20 years ago. (Watch aftermath of deadly school shooting -- 2:00)

Lancaster General Hospital initially received three young patients, ages 6 to 15 -- one in critical condition -- and expects to receive three more patients soon, spokeswoman Kim Hatch told CNN.

Two were transferred to Hershey Medical Center and another to Children's Hospital in Philadelphia, while the fourth remains at Lancaster General, she said.

Another young female suffering from a gunshot wound to the head and right hand was taken to Reading Hospital and Medical Center, where she was in critical condition before she was transferred to Children's Hospital, a hospital spokeswoman said.

Lancaster County's 911 Web site reported dozens of emergency vehicles -- including at least nine ambulances -- were dispatched to Bart Township shortly before 11 a.m. for a "medical emergency." The Lancaster County emergency communications Web site showed 20 incident calls listed to the normally quiet Bart Township at 10:48 a.m.

Shortly after the attack, men, women and girls in traditional Amish clothing gathered in small groups outside the country schoolhouse along a dirt road. Horse-drawn carriages could be seen in a nearby parking lot.

The attack was the nation's third deadly school shooting in a week.

On Wednesday, a 53-year-old man entered a high school in Bailey, Colorado, where he held several female students hostage at gunpoint. He shot one girl before killing himself seconds after a SWAT team stormed inside the classroom.

A high school student near Madison, Wisconsin, is suspected of fatally gunning down his principal on Friday, after he was disciplined for carrying tobacco and being bullied.

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You know I usually blame the parents and our way of life. Not the video games just that parents are to busy working and making money to be parents. I am a firm believer that one parent should stay at home and raise the kids.

Now when this happened I basically thought I was wrong, but we still have no idea who the shooter is. If he is Amish or not.

You are correct about the parent hunch though. There is a near 100% correlation between kids that do this kind of stuff and having neglectful or abusive parents. The two are just as damaging.

Unfortunate way in this world as that in most families both parents work. (Gotta meet material needs ya know). Because personality traits are largely embedded by age 6, the damage is often done before it is even recognized.

It's worth considering what is REALLY needed before locking into the idea that both parents MUST work instead of one staying home until the kids go off to elementary school.

Not that 2 working parents can not do the job, it's just nice to have that much control over what the kids are exposed to and how they are treated 24X7 during those early critical formative years.

Regardless of the shooters age, ethnicity, religion, etc; you can be sure of one thing: There will be evidence of early childhood abuse and/or neglect.

They're back, they're dressed in black, and they are not gonna take it any more.

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You know I usually blame the parents and our way of life.

This guy was an amateur. Those Muslims really know how to kill a bunch of people.

Suicide bomber kills 17 in Iraqi market
A bomb in a market killed 17 people and wounded 27 in the northern Iraqi city of Tal Afar on Monday. Police in nearby Mosul said the blast was caused by a suicide attacker who blew himself up.

Do you blame the parents of suicide bombers for their behavior?

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I wonder if people are going to blame this on video game violence?

If this is your idea of a joke, it's sick and out of line.

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This guy was an amateur. Those Muslims really know how to kill a bunch of people.

Ugh. C'mon john, is that really necessary?

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If this is your idea of a joke, it's sick and out of line.

Thank you for assuming the worst of me.

No. It's a serious question raised time and again during almost any school shooting.

Now that we know the shooter's age however, I don't think it's a factor.

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If this is your idea of a joke, it's sick and out of line.

Thank you for assuming the worst of me.

No. It's a serious question raised time and again during almost any school shooting.

Now that we know the shooter's age however, I don't think it's a factor.

Did you happen to see the word "IF" that started my statement? That means I wasn't sure what you meant, but I know that neither you nor I are above such statements. I'm glad that wasn't what you meant. I'm sorry to have offended.

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This guy was an amateur. Those Muslims really know how to kill a bunch of people.
Suicide bomber kills 17 in Iraqi market
A bomb in a market killed 17 people and wounded 27 in the northern Iraqi city of Tal Afar on Monday. Police in nearby Mosul said the blast was caused by a suicide attacker who blew himself up.
Do you blame the parents of suicide bombers for their behavior?

Dude, not everything has to be tied to Iraq. What this guy did was wrong, and pointing out how other places are worse is not the answer.

And I don't think this should be antigun ammo either. This was a sick person who did something sick.

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Dude, not everything has to be tied to Iraq. What this guy did was wrong, and pointing out how other places are worse is not the answer.

My name is not "dude".

I wasn't tying it to Iraq - I was discussing whether bad parents cause people to grow up to commit mass murder. I say "no".

So you're saying that people who constantly point out how America is worse than the rest of the world, are "not the answer". Got it.

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Dude, not everything has to be tied to Iraq. What this guy did was wrong, and pointing out how other places are worse is not the answer.

My name is not "dude".

I wasn't tying it to Iraq - I was discussing whether bad parents cause people to grow up to commit mass murder. I say "no".

So you're saying that people who constantly point out how America is worse than the rest of the world, are "not the answer". Got it.

Actually, I agree with you. Parents of terrorists have stated they are proud when their children become suicide bombers.

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You know I usually blame the parents and our way of life.

This guy was an amateur. Those Muslims really know how to kill a bunch of people.

Suicide bomber kills 17 in Iraqi market
A bomb in a market killed 17 people and wounded 27 in the northern Iraqi city of Tal Afar on Monday. Police in nearby Mosul said the blast was caused by a suicide attacker who blew himself up.

Do you blame the parents of suicide bombers for their behavior?

Way to go John, nice hate post

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I wasn't tying it to Iraq - I was discussing whether bad parents cause people to grow up to commit mass murder. I say "no".

So you're saying that people who constantly point out how America is worse than the rest of the world, are "not the answer". Got it.

I say sometimes. But to compare a school shooting to a religious jihadist, or imply that the answer to one is the answer to the other is absurd.

One is a person tormented by their inividual memories. The other is part of a very unhealthy group dynamic.

HUMONGOUS distinction.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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You know I usually blame the parents and our way of life.

This guy was an amateur. Those Muslims really know how to kill a bunch of people.

Suicide bomber kills 17 in Iraqi market
A bomb in a market killed 17 people and wounded 27 in the northern Iraqi city of Tal Afar on Monday. Police in nearby Mosul said the blast was caused by a suicide attacker who blew himself up.

Do you blame the parents of suicide bombers for their behavior?

You know your posts always make me sad.
Not because we disagree but your so full of hate and you can’t even express your point of view in a literate fashion. Yet I bet in your own little mislead world you probably think of your self as a genius.


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I have not blocked anyone’s PMs. So if your goal is just to target me go head send me as much hate mail or Pms as you wish, but at least try to keep the thread slightly on subject.


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Dude, not everything has to be tied to Iraq. What this guy did was wrong, and pointing out how other places are worse is not the answer.

My name is not "dude".

I wasn't tying it to Iraq - I was discussing whether bad parents cause people to grow up to commit mass murder. I say "no".

So you're saying that people who constantly point out how America is worse than the rest of the world, are "not the answer". Got it.

Actually, I agree with you. Parents of terrorists have stated they are proud when their children become suicide bombers.

Wow that’s a surprise you agree with John.

So here is a ? to you super intelligent beings that know so much.

How do the suicide bombers and their parents relate to the Amish school shooting?


I mean please just save everyone some time and write

I HATE MUSLIMS, I HATE THINGS I DON'T UNDERSTAND and get it over with.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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You are a sad little man John. I truly feel sorry for you.

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>You are a sad little man John.

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Dude, not everything has to be tied to Iraq. What this guy did was wrong, and pointing out how other places are worse is not the answer.

My name is not "dude".

I wasn't tying it to Iraq - I was discussing whether bad parents cause people to grow up to commit mass murder. I say "no".

So you're saying that people who constantly point out how America is worse than the rest of the world, are "not the answer". Got it.

Actually, I agree with you. Parents of terrorists have stated they are proud when their children become suicide bombers.

Wow that’s a surprise you agree with John.

So here is a ? to you super intelligent beings that know so much.

How do the suicide bombers and their parents relate to the Amish school shooting?


I mean please just save everyone some time and write

I HATE MUSLIMS, I HATE THINGS I DON'T UNDERSTAND and get it over with.

The question was if bad parenting contributed to someone becoming a mass murderer. I'd say parents who are proud when their children blow themselves up is a contributary cause, wouldn't you?

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>The question was if bad parenting contributed to someone becoming a mass murderer.<

No absolutes, but I beleive that bad parenting can create anti-social tendencies. Anti-social behavior is a stepping stone to fulfilling one's needs and wants in ways that are different than the average socially inclined person.

By the way, what is the definition of a "bad parent"?

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>The question was if bad parenting contributed to someone becoming a mass murderer.<

No absolutes, but I beleive that bad parenting can create anti-social tendencies. Anti-social behavior is a stepping stone to fulfilling one's needs and wants in ways that are different than the average socially inclined person.

By the way, what is the definition of a "bad parent"?

I agree with what you are saying. Bad parenting is in part teaching your children to hate others because of their differences or raising your children in any but a nurturing way.