Royd 0 #26 October 9, 2006 I wonder when the liberal press and the homosexual community will be honest, and admit that homosexuality and pedophilia are not two seperate and completely different animals? Also, and this couldn't be proven without blatant honesty, that the largest number of pedophiles are homosexuals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #27 October 9, 2006 Also, and this couldn't be proven without blatant honesty, that the largest number of pedophiles are homosexuals. That's really not true. In my years as a social worker at Arkansas Children's Hospital, I was involved in many, many child sexual abuse cases. I can only remember a handful in which the abuser was the same gender as the child. I doubt that the trends here are dramatically different than across the country. Edited to add: until we are honest with ourselves and realize that the correlation between being a white heterosexual male and pedophilia isn't coincidence, none of our children will be safe.... linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #28 October 9, 2006 QuoteSo kellend waht do you expect? I haven't commented once on this. If you take a perfect neurtal view at this..you wil see its been the anti-conservative skydivers(if all are even) that have made like 4 or 5 posts on this affair. It reminds me of a chidl pointing his finger "see,see,see!" Hasnt this been over rum by them to where a conservative has to defend the fact that one person does NOT represent the whole? Lets put this into DZ values. Ive been to quite a few across US and havent ran into one fag skydiver or at least that made it obvious. So if we found out there is male homo skydivers, do the rest of us straight guys quit wearing purple or magenta on our suits, or rainbows of colors on our canopies because we might be thought to be queer? I think rainbows are beautiful and love color, its too bad the fucking queers took it up as their "flag" but it hasnt affected our community. I have magenta blackberry and neon yellow on my canopy and know its not "femmy". If you are a jumper I figure you should be able to get the point I am making. Sundevil is not defending Foley, just showing how idiotic and chidish it is for the anti-cons to drudge this on against repubs when its usually a business as usual thing among them. I guess we should have the guy who goes splat represent skydivers I think I understand your point. You're saying that just because one illiterate, homophobic asshat flies a magenta blackberry and neon yellow canopy, not everyone who flies a magenta blackberry and neon yellow canopy is necessarily an illiterate, homophobic asshat, right?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #29 October 9, 2006 Selected moral outrage is the hallmark of many politicians on both sides of the proverbial political fence, tbough these days it does seem to be on the left more than the right. I'm sure the pendulum will swing back the other way in time. The Vagina Monologues...interesting point there. In their defense, I'd wager that many of those pontificating about Mr. Foley have never seen the play, though I'm sure they've heard of it by name (hard not to if you've watched the news over the past few years). Haven't heard any major conservatives bashing the play either. I've never seen it and don't plan to. I do like theatre though. I think other things many prominent leftists have done better illustrate their selective moral outrage philosophy. Pelosi marching in the SF parade where the grand marshall was the president of NAMBLA, for instance. Remember the assault on the Catholic church the leftists mounted, in conjunction with their sycophant media, in the wake of the priest-molestation scandal? No uproar from the media about a prominent leftist being in the parade. None from leftists either. Another example from a couple of decades ago would be Gerry Studds and the standing ovations he received after his dalliance with a page was revealed and he was censured. How many of those applauding are still active in politics today? Pedophila is sick, wrong, disgusting, atrocious, etc. Those sick bastards who do such things or who aid and abet such actions should be tried and executed (not wanting a death penalty thread here, please start a new one if you disagree, or substitute 'incarcerated forever' for 'executed' if you like). I think the left and the right are in unison on that, for the most part. What SunDevil is pointing out, and I believe quite salient, is that the left has no standing from which to throw stones on this issue. Many of their prominent politicians are doing so...and with the right calling them out on Pelosi, Studds, et al, showing their shallowness and lack of courage by refusing to address the points of argument brought before them. Instead of throwing stones and then running from the counter-barrage fired by the right, the leftists should engage with the right and, in unison, declare such abhorrent activity to be unacceptable from any member of Congress (or human being). Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #30 October 9, 2006 QuoteI think I understand your point. You're saying that just because one illiterate, homophobic asshat flies a magenta blackberry and neon yellow canopy, not everyone who flies a magenta blackberry and neon yellow canopy is necessarily an illiterate, homophobic asshat, right? That's hilarious, you are so going to get poked with a green stick for it. But it's still hilarious. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #31 October 9, 2006 QuoteI wonder when the liberal press and the homosexual community will be honest, and admit that homosexuality and pedophilia are not two seperate and completely different animals? Just can't help yourself can you? In this thread: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2470546#2470546 ...you said: QuoteQuote (Royd): Now, if only the liberal media would recognize that homosexual and pedophile should be in the same sentence! (Me): That's easily among the Top Five stupidest things I've ever read anyone post on DZ.com. Hands down. Since the breathtakingly obtuse comment is being repeated here, so is the response. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #32 October 9, 2006 Gents - This is one of the few threads I've found interesting in SC in a bit. Why don't we stop skirting the PA boundary-lines so it doesn't go astray? Sundevil brought up an interesting subject and I'd like to hear what people have to say about it. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #33 October 9, 2006 Quote If so many had not been so quick to call for Hastert's resignation, etc., then I would not have posted so much. Why do you continue to ignore the call for Hastert's resignation from made from Republicans and the Conservative press? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #34 October 9, 2006 QuoteQuote If so many had not been so quick to call for Hastert's resignation, etc., then I would not have posted so much. Why do you continue to ignore the call for Hastert's resignation from made from Republicans and the Conservative press? Can we demand Pelosi and Emanuel resign as well, since they refuse to undergo polygraphs to determine what *THEY* knew and when they knew it??Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #35 October 9, 2006 If you want examples, just search SC for "hot school teacher" and you'll find a ton of men who think it's ok ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #36 October 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote If so many had not been so quick to call for Hastert's resignation, etc., then I would not have posted so much. Why do you continue to ignore the call for Hastert's resignation from made from Republicans and the Conservative press? Can we demand Pelosi and Emanuel resign as well, since they refuse to undergo polygraphs to determine what *THEY* knew and when they knew it?? Have you taken a polygraph test to determine what and when you knew? It seems about as relevant. This is about a problem in the house GOP leadership and the Speaker's office.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #37 October 9, 2006 So if Pelosi knew about Foley's behavior a year ago and did nothing, then her lack of action would be irrelevant? I seem to recall Pelosi, Reid et al spouting off about the "Culture of Corruption" among the Republicans in DC. They kept up the vitriol all the way to the point when their own dirty laundry started being displayed. And then, quick as a wink, the public displays of outrage disappeared. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #38 October 9, 2006 QuoteSo if Pelosi knew about Foley's behavior a year ago and did nothing, then her lack of action would be irrelevant? I seem to recall Pelosi, Reid et al spouting off about the "Culture of Corruption" among the Republicans in DC. They kept up the vitriol all the way to the point when their own dirty laundry started being displayed. And then, quick as a wink, the public displays of outrage disappeared. If pigs had wings, they might fly.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #39 October 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote If so many had not been so quick to call for Hastert's resignation, etc., then I would not have posted so much. Why do you continue to ignore the call for Hastert's resignation from made from Republicans and the Conservative press? Can we demand Pelosi and Emanuel resign as well, since they refuse to undergo polygraphs to determine what *THEY* knew and when they knew it?? Have you taken a polygraph test to determine what and when you knew? It seems about as relevant. This is about a problem in the house GOP leadership and the Speaker's office. Why...what is she hiding? She won't even swear an affadavit of testimony... She certainly didn't have a problem being in the Gay Pride parade with an admitted proponent of NAMBLA (Harry Hay)... where was her outrage over that?? Matter of fact, she didn't seem to have a problem speaking at the 1987 Gay Pride parade...along with Studds.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #40 October 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote If so many had not been so quick to call for Hastert's resignation, etc., then I would not have posted so much. Why do you continue to ignore the call for Hastert's resignation from made from Republicans and the Conservative press? Can we demand Pelosi and Emanuel resign as well, since they refuse to undergo polygraphs to determine what *THEY* knew and when they knew it?? Have you taken a polygraph test to determine what and when you knew? It seems about as relevant. This is about a problem in the house GOP leadership and the Speaker's office. Why...what is she hiding? She won't even swear an affadavit of testimony... . Why wouldn't Bush and Cheney testify under oath to the 9/11 Commission. The ways of politicians are indeed mysterious.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KidWicked 0 #41 October 9, 2006 QuoteIt would seem that the moral outrage liberals have exhibited doesn't always carry over to pedophilia as depicted on stage. The Vagina Monologues, for example, has a bit called The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could, in which a woman recalls memories of traumatic sexual experiences in her childhood and a self-described "positive healing" sexual experience in her adolescent years with an older woman. In the original version, she is 13, but later versions would change her age to 16. This particular skit has sparked numerous controversies and criticisms due to its content. So, just 13 was too young, but 16 is considered OK? Many, including feminists have been critical of the play, but it is still quite popular on college campuses and elsewhere. Melissa Etheridge and Whoopi Goldberg, for instance, have performed segments of the play. Why no general outrage from Liberals? Why should we believe the sincerity of outrage directed toward Foley? You can say that it is outrageous that Foley was such a hypocrite, that is well deserved, but I think this shows exactly why the term 'selective moral outrage' is so appropriate to describe the reaction from liberals. Perhaps there are some other examples of how pedophilia has been portrayed positively, or acceptable/neutral by Hollywood/Broadway, etc. I'll bet conservatives are more critical of them than liberals. Selective moral outrage. It means that libs are much more interested in knocking off their political opponents than they actually care about pedophilia. This exact talking point was spouted by Rush Limbaugh a few days ago, and you lined up to salute. Weak.Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #42 October 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt would seem that the moral outrage liberals have exhibited doesn't always carry over to pedophilia as depicted on stage. The Vagina Monologues, for example, has a bit called The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could, in which a woman recalls memories of traumatic sexual experiences in her childhood and a self-described "positive healing" sexual experience in her adolescent years with an older woman. In the original version, she is 13, but later versions would change her age to 16. This particular skit has sparked numerous controversies and criticisms due to its content. So, just 13 was too young, but 16 is considered OK? Many, including feminists have been critical of the play, but it is still quite popular on college campuses and elsewhere. Melissa Etheridge and Whoopi Goldberg, for instance, have performed segments of the play. Why no general outrage from Liberals? Why should we believe the sincerity of outrage directed toward Foley? You can say that it is outrageous that Foley was such a hypocrite, that is well deserved, but I think this shows exactly why the term 'selective moral outrage' is so appropriate to describe the reaction from liberals. Perhaps there are some other examples of how pedophilia has been portrayed positively, or acceptable/neutral by Hollywood/Broadway, etc. I'll bet conservatives are more critical of them than liberals. Selective moral outrage. It means that libs are much more interested in knocking off their political opponents than they actually care about pedophilia. This exact talking point was spouted by Rush Limbaugh a few days ago, and you lined up to salute. Weak. Ann Coulter had a go too. They must all be using the same scriptwriter.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #43 October 9, 2006 So you've had time to ponder these points prior to the appearance of this thread, and still can't come up with a substantive riposte? Hmmmm... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #44 October 9, 2006 QuoteDo you've had time to ponder these points prior to the appearance of this thread, and still can't come up with a substantive riposte? Hmmmm... Your syntax is so distorted I can't figure out what you are trying to claim. Tequila?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #45 October 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote If so many had not been so quick to call for Hastert's resignation, etc., then I would not have posted so much. Why do you continue to ignore the call for Hastert's resignation from made from Republicans and the Conservative press? Can we demand Pelosi and Emanuel resign as well, since they refuse to undergo polygraphs to determine what *THEY* knew and when they knew it?? It was a simple question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #46 October 9, 2006 So was mineMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #47 October 9, 2006 QuoteSo was mine I'm just trying to figure out why you try to put the call for Hastert's resignation solely on the Democrats when in fact it has been bipartisan. Failing to recognize that you're doing it makes it look like you're solely interested in Dem bashing. So if he resigns, will it be the "Dems fault"? As for Pelosi, why should she take a polygraph? What good would that do? The results mean nothing and it's a no win situation for her. If she passes then it's "She lies so much and she's gotten so good at it that it can't even be picked up on a polygraph". If she gets a squiggle on the line then "she's needs to resign". 'Bout right? By the way, you're doing a great service to your party. We haven't talked about anything of substance in days!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #48 October 9, 2006 QuoteDo you've had time to ponder these points prior to the appearance of this thread, and still can't come up with a substantive riposte? Hmmmm... Not to speak for kallend, but perhaps it's because the original post is such a pathetically weak attempt at a point that it's not even worthy of a serious response. If there's any thread that deserves a good derailing/hijacking/bonfire-esque fluffing, it's certainly this one. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #49 October 9, 2006 QuoteSelective moral outrage. It means that libs are much more interested in knocking off their political opponents than they actually care about pedophilia. I believe this, too. But I believe it of the right wing just as much. And of a handful of people on this forum as well. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #50 October 9, 2006 >an illiterate, homophobic asshat, right? Your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
