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All I can say is, if you're gonna have a gun in the house and you also have kids, you need to do

EITHER: lock the gun up and put a trigger lock on it.

OR: Depending on how old the kids are, explain the power of the gun and train them on how it works at a shooting range. It's better to have kids who understand what a gun can do and knows not to pick one up unless you absolutely have to, than for them to "play" with them like a toy.
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Which would also be the case if the guns hadn't been in the house.

Young,dumb, but educated parents caused the death of two children. This could have been prevented. As for me, it would take 25 minutes for an officer of the law to get to my house. That is if they know to come and if the phone isn't ripped out. So, I choose to have guns in my house; guns not accessible to children.
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,As hideous as it sounds I sleep with my wife's model 60 S&W .38 under the pillow. It's put up every morning out of reach of children but not locked. There are child proof devices put on door knobs for the granddaughter and we don't let any kids have run of the house. Both my daughters grew up respecting firearms. They were taught early that guns kill. My wife had them crying one time when she played dead. We felt we had to show them what could happen. Apparently it worked, and both of them shoot today.
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,As hideous as it sounds I sleep with my wife's model 60 S&W .38 under the pillow. It's put up every morning out of reach of children but not locked. There are child proof devices put on door knobs for the granddaughter and we don't let any kids have run of the house. Both my daughters grew up respecting firearms. They were taught early that guns kill. My wife had them crying one time when she played dead. We felt we had to show them what could happen. Apparently it worked, and both of them shoot today.



Sounds dreadful. Why don't you move to a safer neighborhood?
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What happened to "When using or storing a gun, always follow these NRA rules: Know your target and what is beyond. Be absolutely sure you have identified your target beyond any doubt." Is the force strong in this boy?



The story said the intruder was pounding on the door trying to break in, and threatening to kill them. I imagine the boy recognized the voice on the other side of the door, from the man who had tied them up. And given the seriousness of the threat, the lad did the right thing shooting through the door. It would have put himself and his mom at much greater risk to open the door first, or to wait until the intruder broke the door down. Since the attacker was larger and stronger, the element of surprise was crucial.

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"Slaughter (the attacker) heard the two moving around and tried to force his way back into the bedroom. 'He would slip the knife through the door and push it open a few inches to a foot' (while mom pushed back trying to keep the door shut). Michael aimed the pistol at the space between the partially open doors and fired one shot as Slaughter was trying to force his way in."

"Slaughter's
(the attacker) criminal record is sketchy but includes numerous convictions for burglaries in several Texas cities and in Oregon dating back to 1967. He also served several years in prison for a 1983 home invasion in Taft, where he tied up a couple, packed their vehicle with their valuables and fled from authorities. Slaughter was shot twice - once by San Patricio County Sheriff Leroy Moody and once by a deputy after he refused to drop a rifle during a brief chase. He was released from a Travis County Jail last week."

"Slaughter was sentenced to 45 years in prison in 1984 for a break-in at a home in Taft. He was paroled in 2000. Authorities said he was arrested again in June for violating his parole and transferred back to a Travis County jail."

This guy was a violent career criminal who never should have been paroled! And even after being paroled, he violated that parole, was re-arrested, and then released yet again! It is the "catch and release" justice system that is responsible for this frightening attack!

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it says that kid shout (shot?) through door after he (the intruder) threatened to kill and break in. Being that he (the intruder) just got done tying them up, wouldnt he just have to turn the doorknob , not BREAK in???



The kid/mom obviously had the good sense to lock the door after freeing themselves from their bonds. And yes, that would have been a clue to the attacker that his captives were free, or at least able to lock the door while they were bound. But that doesn't mean that the attacker is automatically going to just give up and go away. Despite the fact that his captives got loose and were behind a locked door, he still wanted to kill them. That's a sign of how serious and desperate this situation was.

What outcome do you think this encounter would have had if the family had not had a gun available?

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This guy was a violent career criminal who never should have been paroled! And even after being paroled, he violated that parole, was re-arrested, and then released yet again! It is the "catch and release" justice system that is responsible for this frightening attack!



Perhaps if we stopped sending non-violent "criminals" to prison for drug possession and distribution, there might be room for the people that actually pose a danger to society.
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I have yet to meet someone who went to PRISON for a minor possession of a controlled substance. And even if they were sending hordes of dopers to prison, I doubt they would make room for them by releasing violent criminals.

I think the bureaucracy of the system is likely to blame.



I did a (very) quick check and found this:

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While it may be a rare case these days that a person is put in prison for nothing more than smoking a joint, there is fairly solid evidence to conclude that at least 2.4% of total prison inmates are in for marijuana possession.

The fact that annually at least 50,000 Americans have had years of their lives taken away for merely possessing marijuana is quite appalling - a plant that at least one third of all Americans have at one time used.


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Although only 6% of marijuana arrestees were charged with felonies, some 27,000 pot criminals were serving prison sentences in 2002, giving the lie to the oft-repeated claim by law-and-order types that "nobody goes to prison for marijuana." In fact, the study found, more than 6,600 people, or nearly one-quarter of imprisoned marijuana offenders, were doing prison time simply for possession, and apparently doing prison time simply for possession. (The Sentencing Project tables are ambiguous here; the 6,600 number includes those imprisoned for marijuana whose charges included "No weapon, No importation, No manufacturing, No laundering, No distribution.") More than 11,000 of those imprisoned were first-time offenders.


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Additionally, several state laws allow prison time for possession of large amounts, usually over a pound or two.
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I'm not saying it's bad to have guns in the house, just saying that you're ignoring that giant gorilla in the corner (careless parents who don't protect guns well enough) in your desire to see the good that can come.

They exist. Saying they shouldn't isn't very helpful or realistic. If people all did what they should we wouldn't need police either.

Here's a solution.

Right after the class where the govt. schools teach 3rd graders to put condoms on cucumbers, they could teach them how to clear a firearm.;)

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Sounds good to me. Kids should know how to do both. I think 3rd grade is a bit young for the condoms, but kids are having sex younger and younger, so maybe 3rd grade is a good time? I'd teach them gun safety in pre-school or kindergarten, tho, at least the four major things to do when a kid finds a gun:

STOP!
Don't Touch.
Leave the Area.
Tell an Adult.

The NRA has a program called Eddie Eagle that teaches kids about gun safety without making any value judgments on guns. They're presented to kids as any other danger (pesticides, etc...) that might exist around their house or their friends houses. http://www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie/

I'd love to be able to say that sex and guns shouldn't be taught in schools, but the only way I'd be comfortable saying that would be if I was confident that parents were giving kids the information they need. As evidenced by gun accidents and teen pregnancies, apparently they're not.

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The NRA has a program called Eddie Eagle



Yup, good program... too bad the Dems won't let them put it in the schools...



I don't know about you, but I had a gun safety program as part of my public education.
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I did too. They included it as part of DARE. Pretty much all they covered was the four rules of what to do if you see a gun, but for most kids, that's probably enough.



Ours was much more in depth than that, stopping just short of shooting. Of course, students were all eighth graders.

It covered the history of firearms and different types of actions in use in modern weapons, as well as safe handling of guns as tools, not objects to be feared. Passing the class was a prerequisite to obtaining a hunting license in that state.

I don't know if the class is a part of the curriculum any longer.
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All I can say is, if you're gonna have a gun in the house and you also have kids, you need to do

EITHER: lock the gun up and put a trigger lock on it.

OR: Depending on how old the kids are, explain the power of the gun and train them on how it works at a shooting range. It's better to have kids who understand what a gun can do and knows not to pick one up unless you absolutely have to, than for them to "play" with them like a toy.



I agree...

I don't care how well a child is educated though, when you tell them something is off limits and dangerous, you're going to want to play with it (my mother told me girls were dangerous:)

I was well educated in the use of firearms by the time I was ten. I would still drag out the M1 Carbine when I got the chance though. I knew how to handle and fire it, but I shouldn't have been able to by myself.

I'm a member of the NRA and believe you should ALWAYS lock your firearm up. It doesn't matter if you have kids or not.

If you need a weapon within 2 seconds, get an Echo chainsaw. They start on the first pull, and NO ONE will hang around after you get it going!

PS- My mother was right too ;)

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I have yet to meet someone who went to PRISON for a minor possession of a controlled substance. And even if they were sending hordes of dopers to prison, I doubt they would make room for them by releasing violent criminals.



My husband is a TX Correctional Officer.I can confirm that there ARE inmates in TDC custody for drug possession.We have friends who work at a unit with mostly drug offenders.My husband on the other hand, works at the unit with the majority of inmates being sex offenders and violent gangs.

I was also taught at a young age to respect guns.When my father would clean his guns he would have me bring them from his gun cabinet to his cleaning area to get me used to being around/handling firearms and always told me that EVERY gun should always be considered loaded (non of his were ever loaded when he let me bring them to be cleaned but I still treated them as if they were).I was taught to clear and safety loaded weapons and also how to load and safety an unloaded weapon.When we'd go fishing he'd take a gun to kill snakes and varmits and such and after doing so he'd show me what had been killed,not to gross me out or to 'traumatize'me but so that I understood first-hand that guns hurt and kill and that is why they must be respected.I NEVER touched his guns without his permission or in his presence...same goes for anyone else's firearms.(relative etc).If I found a gun I was to leave it alone and find an adult.period. The gun cabinet was locked,but I knew where the key was.I also knew that the only loaded weapon in the house was in a drawer in my parents bedroom.I respected them,never played with them and therefore it was never an issue in our house.I also had the school DARE program that said what to do if you found a gun etc. but that was just reinforcing what my dad had already taught me.To this day I dont touch my dad's gun w/o his permission eventhough I'm 24 and hes told me plenty of times I can use any of them to go hunting whenever I want.I only use them when hes there with me.

At my own home I keep 2 loaded .45s on my nightstand.My husband keeps a .45 and a shotgun on his side of the bed.We have one other gun downstairs.Everything else is in a gunsafe unless we're going to the gunrange.But we do not have childern,do not plan on having children and non of our friends bring their children here.If someone comes to visit (like my mom who doesnt care for guns) then we will put all the guns in the safe until they leave.

The way I learned about guns in a practical hands-on manner reminds me of the way I leared about cigarettes/smoking and that it wasnt healthy.When I was very young,my grandfather was a heavy smoker.When I started playing around with those candy cigarettes (remember those anyone?) imitaging him he pulled me aside.He took a thin paper napkin and held it up between his hands,took a deep drag from his cigarette and then blew the smoke through the napkin.I was shocked to see a nasty brown stain left behind. He then gently told me that because he smoked,his lungs looked like that napkin,nasty and brown.What was once clean was now stained and not as healthy as the white napkin/non-smoking lungs.With that he urged me not to ever take up smoking and remember what he'd shown me.I'm 24 now and my grandfather passed away in 2001,but I still remember that lesson.

So anyway,I just believe you should be practical and teach kids to respect firearms..not fear them.My family taught me much and we never had a problem because we were informed...we didnt need gunlocks because we had knowledge and understanding of weponry and safety.


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