The Military Commissions act-Unconstitutional?

[Darius11 12]

I just couldn’t believe I had not heard any thing on this.


Is this true: That now even a US citizen can be arrested and held with out any charge, or representation?

If yes how can anyone Republican, democrat what ever support Bush who signal handedly is over turning our constitution?

I am so surprised that there is not a huge protest. What’s next concentration camps for those who disagree with bush?

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I am so surprised that there is not a huge protest. What’s next concentration camps for those who disagree with bush?

That is because most people do not pay attention or care what goes on because they think it does not effect them. Sad but true.

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I am so surprised that there is not a huge protest. What’s next concentration camps for those who disagree with bush?

That is because most people do not pay attention or care what goes on because they think it does not effect them. Sad but true.

You mean, like:

In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.

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Sadly, the prevailing thought is that the only people who get arrested MUST have done something to deserve it. "Tough on crime" is a big thing for all candidates. "Tough on terror" is even easier.

People are just more willing to accept that it will only affect bad guys, and screw 'em. Who cares? They are dirtbags. They never think that THEY could be implicated, too.

Which is the shame of it.

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[Amazon 7]

I am sure some ultra-rightie will come in with that you have nothign to worry about if you are not doing anything wrong.... cliche.

BUT those same people will be the first ones signing up to go after all those dissenters... evil-doers....terrorists...It only takes a little game of semantics to turn someone who does not agree with them... into terrorist supporters..

So.. who on here would be the first one to join the Neo-Gestapo???

[Darius11 12]

That just frightens the shit out of me. Coming from a country, which people could be arrested without any rights and held as “Political prisoners” or a so-called “ national Threat” forever I know how the power not might but will be misused.

People say oh you’re just a Bush hater, how can you not hate a man who is changing the basics of what America stands for.

Being a Bush supporter is another word for committing treason. He is destroying this country bit by bit.

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[Amazon 7]

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He is destroying this country bit by bit.

Its not just him... its most of his ultra right wiong supporters like Gonzalez... making a huge powergrap....

GOD is telling them to do it dont cha know...

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You're either with us or agen us.... and that's a very strange accent and hair cut you have there son... are you some sort of TERRIERIST?

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Passing laws that remove the few checks against mistreatment of prisoners will not help us win the battle for the hearts and minds of the generation of young people around the world being recruited by Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. Authorizing indefinite detention of anybody the Government designates -, without any proceeding and without any recourse -- is what our worst critics claim the United States would do, not what American values, traditions and our rule of law would have us do. This is not just a bad bill, this is a dangerous bill. Sen. Patrick Leahy

From the Human Rights Watch

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3. Who can be tried by a military commission?
Any non-U.S. citizen – even a green card holder who has lived in the United States for decades – who is determined to be an “unlawful enemy combatant” can be tried by a military commission. (See section on enemy combatant definition).

The Bush administration has indicated that it has no intention of trying the vast majority of detainees held at Guantanamo Bay. Indeed, it is expected that only a few dozen Guantanamo detainees will ever be charged before a military commission, leaving the majority of detainees at Guantanamo in prolonged detention without charge, stripped of their habeas rights, and without ever being confronted with the evidence against them.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

Passed by a vote of 65-34. Definitely a plot by the Neo-Cons. Damn Facists.

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He is destroying this country bit by bit.

Its not just him... its most of his ultra right wiong supporters like Gonzalez... making a huge powergrap....

GOD is telling them to do it dont cha know...

Jeanne - it is most certainly NOT Bush and Company alone who are eating away at these foundations. You think that Dems are immune? Don't you think that Dems voted for it, too?

Dems would rather spend their time threatening to filibuster judicial nominess than actually filibustering this bill. Dems have enough seats in Congres to easily avodi cloture. At least ten Dem senators voted for it.

This is a "bipartisan bill" because a hefty dose of Democrats voted for it.

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Passed by a vote of 65-34. Definitely a plot by the Neo-Cons. Damn Facists.

Still, doesn't make it right.
Any person not fearful of a government that feels it does not have to be accountable to the people who elected it, they should be.

http://action.aclu.org/reformthepatriotact/facts.html

The Patriot Act as we have exhaustively documented is the key police state weapon the authorities have in their armory. The party line often heard from Neo-Cons in their attempts to defend the Patriot Act either circulate around the contention that the use of the Patriot Act has never been abused or that it isn't being used against American citizens. The Legislation's reach HAS gone beyond terrorism and it IS actively being used to target American citizens.

Remember, section 802 is specifically aimed at US citizens and announces any crime as "domestic terrorism". Citizens can be held without a trial as "Enemy Combatants". Let us recap just some of the horror stories that misuse of the Patriot Act has produced, As you will see these are not isolated incidents, this is common practice.

Homeland Security Agents Visit Toy Store

When Homeland Security agents arrived at the Pufferbelly Toys store, the lead agent asked owner Stephanie Cox whether she carried a toy called the Magic Cube, which he said was an illegal copy of the Rubik's Cube, one of the most popular toys of all time. Invoking the Patriot Act, he told her to remove the Magic Cube from her shelves, and he watched to make sure she complied.

Patriot Act Being Used to Harass BlackBoxVoting.org website

Activist Bev Harris was told not to reveal to anyone the fact that she and her website were being investigated under the Patriot Act. It is illegal for a government agency to go in and demand the list of all the members of a group. And you can't investigate leaks to journalists by going in and grabbing the reporter's computer.

Secret Service Questions Students

Two students who were interrogated by the Secret Service following remarks the teenagers made about the President during a class discussion. The discussion was about the war in Iraq and while the exact wording is up for debate, the teacher didn't consider it mere criticism, but a direct threat and she called the Secret Service.

Boy investigated by FBI for researching paper on Chesapeake Bay Bridge

A 12-year-old kid at Boys' Latin researches a paper on the Bay Bridge, and suddenly the Joint Terrorist Task Force shows up in the headmaster's office.

Photographer Arrested "Under Patriot Act"

A Denver photographer was arrested while taking pictures in Denver, during Vice President Dick Cheney's visit to the city. Denver resident Mike Maginnis reports being physically assaulted by Denver police.


FBI says Patriot Act used in Vegas strip club corruption probe

The FBI used the USA Patriot Act to obtain financial information about key figures in a political corruption probe centered on striptease club owner Michael Galardi, an agent said.

Webmaster Sherman Austin, Jailed under PATRIOT Act

Political prisoner Sherman Austin, who made headlines last year after being targeted as one of the first casualties of the infamous USA PATRIOT Act, was released from the Federal Corrections Institute in Tucson and left Arizona July 12 to return to Los Angeles.


Using The Patriot Act To Target Patriots

The Patriot Act has been used to obtain search warrants against doctors and scientists who had been warning about the threat of bioterrorism in the U.S.



Shopkeeper deported from South Carolina under PATRIOT Act killed in Pakistan

After marrying a naturalized U.S. citizen, having two U.S.-born children and running a Rock Hill convenience store for years, Khan was rounded up in post-Sept. 11, 2001, sweeps that targeted Muslim immigrants.


ARTISTS SUBPOENAED IN USA PATRIOT ACT CASE

Three Four artists have been served subpoenas to appear before a federal grand jury that will consider bioterrorism charges against a university professor whose art involves the use of simple biology equipment.


Patriot Act used to prosecute U.S. civilian

The CIA contract employee accused of abusing a prisoner in Afghanistan is being prosecuted under the Patriot Act in what legal experts are calling a surprising and to some, troubling application of the new anti-terrorism law.

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In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.

- Is that Alexander Solzenhitzen? The military commissions act is definitely the cherry on the Patriot cake.

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The Military Commissions act-Unconstitutional?

Of course it is. Makes me practically weep with shame for our Republic.
See my zillion previous posts re: this.

[Amazon 7]

Hey... you just need to STFU and go to your corner and not criticize our great leader.

[goofyjumper 0]

The terrorist have won.

Not only have they changed our laws and constitution and took away our freedom, they are so damn good that they even got our president to do it for them!

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[Andy9o8 2]

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The terrorist have won.

Not only have they changed our laws and constitution and took away our freedom, they are so damn good that they even got our president to do it for them!

Pssst! He woulda done it even without their help...

[NWFlyer 2]

It still boggles that a former Sports Center dude is becoming one of the most intelligent and sane voices in our national debate, but the more I hear from him, the less I can deny it.

Olbermann on the Military Commissions act. I missed this when it first made news.

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[Darius11 12]

GWB has hurt this country more then OBL and all terrorist combined. He is basically changing the definition of America.

I think anyone who can still say they support him can not be an advocate of democracy.

He should be impeached.

Oh Oh I might be sent to prison indefinitely for saying that. FUCKING DISGRACE

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[akarunway 1]

THE PATRIOT ACT> Com'n. It the newer and better version of RICO. It's all to keep us safer don't ya know?

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