CanuckInUSA 0 #1 October 25, 2006 You people are not going to believe this. US Citizen Malcolm Watson 35, a former teacher, was convicted of having sex with a 15-year-old female student, and a New York state judge gave him the choice between exile in Canada or time behind bars. Think about it for a minute. Who has ever heard of anything like this? It has got to be unprecedented. Cheektowaga town judge Thomas Kolbert actually gave the sex offender a choice -- Canada or jail in New York state. Watson chose Canada. What kind of sick game is that? Time will tell if there will be an immigration hearing and if this man will be sent back to where he committed his crimes (make no mistake, the Canadian government is all over this. They had representatives in the courthouse yesterday and are in contact with court officials), but one Canadian border patrol insider said there was little they could do legally to stop him when he returned to Canada after his sentencing. He has a legal residence in Ontario and that is where he was returning to. This whole issue is an insult to the country and a middle finger to what this NY State judge thinks of us. Some of us have one thing to say to him: Take your garbage back because it stinks. More can be read about this story here. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #2 October 25, 2006 QuoteCanada or jail in New York state Did he choose jail?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #3 October 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteCanada or jail in New York state Did he choose jail? Almost ... he is living in socialist Ontario. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #4 October 25, 2006 Cheektowaga is a suburb of Buffalo. Buffalo is not exactly a bastion of enlightened thinking. In fact, it's not exactly a bastion of enlightened anything.* (*Respectful exception made for Frontier DZ.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #5 October 25, 2006 After that Charles Ng fiasco I imagine that Americans presume we love criminals. Probably thought we would be greatfull. I can see why they would think that. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #6 October 25, 2006 That judge is an idiot, especially if his job is up for re-election. If not, I hope the shithead gets disbarred. Sex offenders belong in jail, or exiled to Greenland or Antartica. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #7 October 25, 2006 Meanwhile, John Mark Karr is a free man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #8 October 25, 2006 That's fucked up... he did the crime, he should be doing the sentence that goes with it. Hopefully there's a demand for recall of this "judge"....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #9 October 25, 2006 My understanding was that this was part of a plea bargain deal. The guy lives in Canada with his wife (Not sure if he has kids too). As part of the deal he is not a registered sex offender whcih would not allow him to cross the border again in any way. The sentence was just probation I believe (which might be too light, I am not too sure of the actual particulars of the case), to allow him to live with his family, yet still be forced to meet with his US probabtion officers, this was really one of the few ways to handle it. US society certainly got the better deal in this. It is actually quite a unique situation, but I think the press (as usual) has greatly sensationalized what actually occured. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #10 October 25, 2006 I have no doubt they sensationalized it... but it's still wrong and the judge still stepped on his crank, IMO.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #11 October 25, 2006 I believe he only accepted the plea bargain. Sounds like your real beef should be with the DA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #12 October 25, 2006 QuoteI believe he only accepted the plea bargain. Sounds like your real beef should be with the DA. Him, tooMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #13 October 25, 2006 QuoteSex offenders belong in jail, or exiled to Greenland or Antartica. Oh, great idea, send them there so that they can molest penguins, Penguins have enough to worry about with global warming and killer whales!!!"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #14 October 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteSex offenders belong in jail, or exiled to Greenland or Antartica. Oh, great idea, send them there so that they can molest penguins, Penguins have enough to worry about with global warming and killer whales!!! Here, we agree. Spare the penguins, they have it hard enough in Antartica as it is.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #15 October 26, 2006 QuoteMeanwhile, John Mark Karr is a free man. Yeah, because the investigating fucktards in California didn't do their job right. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #16 October 26, 2006 There seems to be more at work here. It looks like the guy lives in Canada, but used to teach in New York. He presently resides in Canada, where there are apparently no procedings to deport him. He apparently has done no criminal wrong in Canada, or before. So, it's not the same situation to me as taking a person who has no prior connection and deporting him there. I'm thinking Johnny Dangerously headline here, "Roman Maronie Deported to Sweden. Says He's Not From There." I don't think this is exactly the same situation. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #17 October 26, 2006 So you're agreeing with the NY judge then that it's okay to exile this sex offender? He's your own damn citizen who commited this crime in your own country. We in Canada want to be friends with you Yanks, but sometimes your selfishness get's in the way of this. Take your own trash back and put him in your own prisons. He commit a crime in your country and he's one of you. We don't want US criminals up here only because you can't deal with your own scum. Un####ing Believable ... PS: By the way Mr Watson was arresting today as he tried to cross back into Canada after meeting one of his beloved NY parol board contacts. I'm not sure where the Canadian authorities are going with this scum bag, but if they have any balls he will be right back in a NY State prison where he belongs. He's your trash, he molested your own people, you deal with him. He's not wanted here. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 October 26, 2006 I wonder what they arrested him for in Canada? One more thing: He was convicted of kissing a girl and touching her breast outside of her clothing. If it was a woman of the same age kising a boy and touching his chest over his clothes, this would hardly even get prosecuted. Let's keep a little bit of perspective here... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #19 October 26, 2006 QuoteI wonder what they arrested him for in Canada? The news article I saw did not mention what charges we was arrested under. So I don't know what's going on there. QuoteOne more thing: He was convicted of kissing a girl and touching her breast outside of her clothing. If it was a woman of the same age kising a boy and touching his chest over his clothes, this would hardly even get prosecuted. Let's keep a little bit of perspective here... So it's okay for a teacher to feel up a 15 year old female student? If this was a fellow student who felt up this girl, then I would agree that it shouldn't be an issue. This was a grown man in a position of authority and trust (he's a school teacher for crying out loud). I'm sorry but grown men who happen to be teachers are only asking for trouble by getting involved with their students. It's really not that difficult. If you don't want to do time, don't do the crime. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #20 October 26, 2006 QuoteSo it's okay for a teacher to feel up a 15 year old female student? If this was a fellow student who felt up this girl, then I would agree that it shouldn't be an issue. This was a grown man in a position of authority and trust (he's a school teacher for crying out loud). I'm sorry but grown men who happen to be teachers are only asking for trouble by getting involved with their students. It's really not that difficult. If you don't want to do time, don't do the crime. No it isn't, it isn't at all. From all accounts I can find though, it was consensual. To immediately rate him similar to a rapist is not fair in my book. I can understand the decision that was made by the judge. I think it has been completely blown out of proportion. The girl's family is okay with the deal. The guy's wife and children are okay with the deal. He is a Canadian citizen. he is not registered as a level 3 (I believe) sex offender in the US. I don't understand the big hoopla. It's not as if this guy can all of a sudden start working as a teacher in Ontario either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #21 October 26, 2006 QuoteI don't understand the big hoopla. Well that's no surpise as we know LIEberal, NDP and Bloc supporters in Ontario and Quebec have been watering down the "Get tough on crime" legislation. It's okay to be a criminal in Canada just as long as you vote for the LIEberal party of Canada as they will be you champion in getting you that "get of of jail for free card" for all the crimes you commit. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #22 October 26, 2006 I don't think he is a Canadian or he would not have been arrested at the border. He is a permanent resident US citizen. The Canadian government will no doubt reevaluate his eligibility to stay in Canada in light of his criminal behavior. What irks me the most about this situation is that he is not allowed back in the US except to visit his parole officer. The Canadian Supreme Court would never allow this kind of restriction to be placed upon a Canadian. The first article of our constitution guarantees our right to enter and be in Canada. I would be very surprised if that kind of restriction would get past the SCOTUS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #23 October 26, 2006 Quote So it's okay for a teacher to feel up a 15 year old female student? Only if the teacher is female and it's a male student, then the courts seem to think it's ok. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #24 October 26, 2006 QuoteWell that's no surpise as we know LIEberal, NDP and Bloc supporters in Ontario and Quebec have been watering down the "Get tough on crime" legislation. It's okay to be a criminal in Canada just as long as you vote for the LIEberal party of Canada as they will be you champion in getting you that "get of of jail for free card" for all the crimes you commit. Nice rant, I voted for Harper though. If he has broken a law in Canada, then he should be prosecuted for that. Justice is best decided without heavy emotions attached. based on your rants on this thread, you seem to be unable to do that. LIEberal is new for me. You get bonus points for ingenuity, sadly they are deducted for lack of substance in that last post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #25 October 26, 2006 QuoteQuote So it's okay for a teacher to feel up a 15 year old female student? Only if the teacher is female and it's a male student, then the courts seem to think it's ok. I don't know what the school teacher in Florida got for her sex with her male student, but she got off too light... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
