US judge exiles a Sex Offender to Canada

[lawrocket 3]

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So you're agreeing with the NY judge then that it's okay to exile this sex offender?

No. I do not agree that "Jail or Canada" is an appropriate exercise of judicial authority. Either send the guy to jail or don't send the guy to jail. If you don't send him to jail, let him live where he wants so long as it meets with specifications of parole.

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He commit a crime in your country and he's one of you.

I agree here. I apologize for not explaining that in the previous post. I see that your belief that I would think that is entirely reasonable. I did focus on the apparent fact that he lives in Canada and was living in Canada before the sentence was imposed.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I agree here. I apologize for not explaining that in the previous post. I see that your belief that I would think that is entirely reasonable. I did focus on the apparent fact that he lives in Canada and was living in Canada before the sentence was imposed.

My understanding is that what was also taken into considerations was the level of sex offender status. At a certain level he would not be allowed to cross the border into Canada anymore. Since his wife and kids live there, that was seen as advisable, is my understanding.

[lawrocket 3]

There was something in the story about the finding that he was a low risk to repeat the behavior. Still, the Canadians have a point - we wouldn't want them sending their criminals here.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

But, what do you do in this case?

The sentence is parole. Normally with a sex offender status he could not cross the border. hence, you either make him homeless since he can't return to Canada. Or you allow him to return to Canada, but then he can't come back to report to his parole officer.

It is a very interesting situation and really has nothing to do with sending your criminals here. That is a nice sensationalized media "slogan", but really doesn't have anything to do with teh case.

How would you have dealt with it if you were judge?

[lawrocket 3]

Well, his family can move HERE. The problem is not that the judge told him live in Canada. The problem is that the judge forbade him from reentry into the US "except for probation hearings." The judge, therefore, DEPORTED HIM!

Why is this a problem? Because Canada doesn't have to let him back in? Imagine a judge orders a prisoner scheduled to be released from jail in a couple of days to be at a release hearing or he'll have five years added to his sentence.

So if Canada doesn't let him in, and neither does the US, what does that do to the guy?

And where was this dude's attorney with this?

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[bodypilot90 0]

This is one reason Jessica's Law needs to be passed in all 50 states. Some judges and Da's just do not get it.

[Richards 0]

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Well that's no surpise as we know LIEberal, NDP and Bloc supporters in Ontario and Quebec have been watering down the "Get tough on crime" legislation. It's okay to be a criminal in Canada just as long as you vote for the LIEberal party of Canada as they will be you champion in getting you that "get of of jail for free card" for all the crimes you commit.

[udder 0]

I thought that's where all US criminals went.

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[Lindsey 0]

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There was something in the story about the finding that he was a low risk to repeat the behavior. Still, the Canadians have a point - we wouldn't want them sending their criminals here.

But sometimes I wish the Puritans had gone to Australia and the criminals had come here....but I wouldn't want to wish that on Australia either.

linz

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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Well, his family can move HERE.

Which means you punish his family as well as him. I don't think that is usually done.

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The problem is that the judge forbade him from reentry into the US "except for probation hearings." The judge, therefore, DEPORTED HIM!

Only for the duration of his probation, since he asked to serve it in Canada with his family. he would normally not be allowed to get back into the US due to his sex offender status, so the judge had to make some type of ruling to let him back in.

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So if Canada doesn't let him in, and neither does the US, what does that do to the guy?

Which was exactly what the judge faced. And you never really answered what you would have done if you had been the judge. It would be interesting to see what you would come up with.

I thought it was actually relatively well done. He pleaded guilty to a minor sex offence. He is not at a high risk to re-offend at all. US Society was well served by the sentence. The family of the girl agreed. This guy gets punished, yet is family doesn't get unduly punished any further. I don't see any risk for Canadian society, nor did he do anything wrong here.

I understand that it is a great opportunity for politicians to flap their mouths, but there really isn't a big issue. In my eyes it isn't even a minor issue.

[NCclimber 0]

Speaking of liberals, how many of those celebrities who said "If Bush wins in 2004, I'm moving to Canada", actually did so?

Seems like I heard there was spike in the number of residency applications back in December of "04. Was this merely a kneejerk reaction or did a number of US citizens move north in response to the '04 outcome?

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Well it looks like this story is nearing it's completion. Immigration Canada has ruled that this convicted US sex offender is of little risk to the Canadian public and he is now free to go about his daily business in Canada.

Surprised?

I'm not since Canadians tend to be spineless whimps when it comes to crime. Did you know that 3 of Canada's 4 political parties are trying to pass a law right now (and they will succeed since they have the numbers in the house and of course one of these parties, the LIEberals controls the senate). Anyway this new bill soon to be passed will allow people who commit robbery, arson and auto theft to serve their time (assuming they even get caught) in house arrest. The only catch is that no victim can be injured during their crime spree. So if I wanted to (once this new law is in effect), I could rob somebody, burn down their house and steal their car as my get away vehicle and as long as I'm careful to ensure that my victim does not suffer an injury during my crime spree all that will happen to me (assuming I even get caught) is that I get to stay at home during my sentence and play my XBox all day long. Can I collect welfare while I'm at it? Cool ... where's my gun? Oops I don't own a gun. I better go buy one then.

FUBAR I say ... so when was turning the other cheek to crime become such a popular thing to do in Canada? I know there are many messed up countries in the world, but Canada is rapidly placing itself near the top of the list of countries which have just plain and simply lost it in the favor of being politically correct.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Well it looks like this story is nearing it's completion. Immigration Canada has ruled that this convicted US sex offender is of little risk to the Canadian public and he is now free to go about his daily business in Canada.

Whcih was the right decision to make. How could Canada punish him for something he has already stood trial for in the US?

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I'm not since Canadians tend to be spineless whimps when it comes to crime. Did you know that 3 of Canada's 4 political parties are trying to pass a law right now (and they will succeed since they have the numbers in the house and of course one of these parties, the LIEberals controls the senate). Anyway this new bill soon to be passed will allow people who commit robbery, arson and auto theft to serve their time (assuming they even get caught) in house arrest. The only catch is that no victim can be injured during their crime spree. So if I wanted to (once this new law is in effect), I could rob somebody, burn down their house and steal their car as my get away vehicle and as long as I'm careful to ensure that my victim does not suffer an injury during my crime spree all that will happen to me (assuming I even get caught) is that I get to stay at home during my sentence and play my XBox all day long. Can I collect welfare while I'm at it? Cool ... where's my gun? Oops I don't own a gun. I better go buy one then.

Nice rant. And when the first such conviction happens in that scenario I will be the first to stand there with you and disagree with it.

In the mean time you may want to pick up a canadian paper:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20061027.wamnesty27/BNStory/National/home

They are very soft on them indeed very politically correct to

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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How could Canada punish him for something he has already stood trial for in the US

Canada should not be punishing him for his US sex crimes. The US should be punishing him. But instead they choose to let this man walk free. I've heard bleeding hearts say it's only fair that he be allowed to be with his family, but I say baloney. He gave up his rights when he commited his crimes. A grown man (married with children nonetheless) should know better not to have sexual relations with a 15 year old girl and to have these relationships in a teacher/student setting is only adding to the problem. Besides, his family could visit him in a NY State prision. He was only supposed to be there for one year and one year does pass very quickly. It still makes no sense why the NY authorities have decided to let this man walk free except that maybe they too have been hanging out with too many Canadian bleeding hearts.

So now a precedent has been set. US judges in the future will have the option of deporting their own criminals when those criminals have a residence setup in Canada. Who's next?

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[tkhayes 348]

how can I say this nicely - ahem.... "fuck you" sounds appropriate.

Canadians are wimps? What do you expect Canadians to do in this case exactly? - carry out the US sentence? In this case, the US Judge is a complete asshole and is apparently trying to dump a problem on someone else.

Canada should march him to the US embassy and dump him back on their doorstep - better yet, deport him back to the USA.

but since he has done nothing wrong in Canada, sure they have every right to let him go. bad decision, but not near as bad as the US decisions which preceeded it.

Maybe Canada should offer US amnesty (exile) to all its offenders in jail - they would save a fortune in jail costs, and since the USA is the ruler of the world with obviously the best policies, it should have no problem with Canada making that decision - since they just did it themselves.....

TK

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Canada should not be punishing him for his US sex crimes. The US should be punishing him. But instead they choose to let this man walk free. I've heard bleeding hearts say it's only fair that he be allowed to be with his family, but I say baloney. He gave up his rights when he commited his crimes. A grown man (married with children nonetheless) should know better not to have sexual relations with a 15 year old girl and to have these relationships in a teacher/student setting is only adding to the problem. Besides, his family could visit him in a NY State prision. He was only supposed to be there for one year and one year does pass very quickly. It still makes no sense why the NY authorities have decided to let this man walk free except that maybe they too have been hanging out with too many Canadian bleeding hearts.

So now a precedent has been set. US judges in the future will have the option of deporting their own criminals when those criminals have a residence setup in Canada. Who's next?

Your gripe is with the US DA who accepted the plea bargain and to a lesser extent with the US Judge. I still don't understand why you are harping on supposed Canadian bleeding hearts.

The guy is being punished. if you want to discuss if he got sufficient punishment, then we can do that. But that has nothing to do with canadian politics.

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So now a precedent has been set. US judges in the future will have the option of deporting their own criminals when those criminals have a residence setup in Canada. Who's next?

I doubt we will see many of these cases. It is pretty rare. Don't think a precendent is dangerous here.