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QuoteIts about people like him who have an issue with it, decide to join anyways and get the benefits and then at a time of his convenience decide that the system should change because it does not suit him. He made a choice to sign up while knowing that the forces pledged allegiance to the Queen
Maybe he decided he could better protest as an insider.
Maybe he decided to join up to serve his country despite disagreeing with the politics of the oath, then later made a protest.
At the end of the day, he's not refusing to peform any duty associated with being a member of the armed forces, right? He just wants some words changed.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
QuoteQuoteI understand your point, but I can also see his side.
As a member of the forces he is supposed to be apolytical. If he feels a desire to change what Canada means and stands for he should resign and get involved with politics. Military leaders in particular should not be making public statements about who we should or should not be pledging alleigance to. If he feels that strongly about it he should demonstrate some character and integrity by stepping down and seeking a life in politics.
Richards
I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
If what he did is a crime, wouldn't the cse be titled, Regina v. Mac Giolla Chainnigh? Wouldn't that alone shoot his theory down?
Is Canada still a colony?
My wife is hotter than your wife.
Is Canada still a colony?
My wife is hotter than your wife.
QuoteQuoteYou're either your own sovereign nation or you're not. Time to cut the apron strings, kiddies.
I agree, and would certainly vote in favour of abolishing the monarchy in Canada.
LOL ... I knew in time I would find something that we can agree on.
Try not to worry about the things you have no control over
BillyVance 34
QuoteQuote***Pledge allegiance to the Oak Leaf for all I care.
I suspect that if Canadians switch allegiances to specific leafs it most likely will be the Canabis leaf.
Richards
I just realized my own goof... It's a Maple Leaf on the Canada flag, right? Or some variation of it?
"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban
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That is a fair sentiment, but perhaps one that should be put to a vote. My issue is not one of pro-monarchy vs anti-monarchy. Its about people like him who have an issue with it, decide to join anyways and get the benefits and then at a time of his convenience decide that the system should change because it does not suit him. He made a choice to sign up while knowing that the forces pledged allegiance to the Queen and now that he has got what he can out of the system he suddenly has a problem with the system.
He is serving, right? 'Top soldier' sounds like a contributor. Going by American process, I'm not sure he'd have standing as a potential enlistee, and it would take upwards of a decade to get a decision, at which point he may no longer be fit for duty. This way he can serve and force the issue.
Loyalty oaths are lame enough. Your's is fucking pathetic - it's to a non citizen across an ocean.
Richards 0
QuoteQuoteIf what he did is a crime, wouldn't the cse be titled, Regina v. Mac Giolla Chainnigh? Wouldn't that alone shoot his theory down?
Is Canada still a colony?
Not sure about the legal stuff but no we are not a colony. Again I am fine with the idea of Canadians deciding for themselves that as a country they do not wish to remain a commonwealth nation. But some guy from outside coming here and joining up knowing that he has agreed to serve the queen (part of the oath when you join up) and turning around after the fact and protesting it is out of line. He should have mentioned his objections to her on day one in the recruiters office.
Richards
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
Richards 0
QuoteLoyalty oaths are lame enough. Your's is fucking pathetic - it's to a non citizen across an ocean.
He should have said that on day one in the recruiters office. He chose to reap the benefits of serving under an oath he did not beleive in and lied about, then once he got what he needed out of the system and built up his confidence he turned around and said "my personal needs come first". Why did he accept all the benefits of being a "servant to the queen " if he had such strenuous objections.
Richards
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
Andy9o8 2
Quoteyou damm Yanks
Nyeah, nyeah
Quoteyou damm Yanks continue to support the terrorist Fenians as you have been doing for almost two hundred years
I guess then we supported the wrong side then in 1941-45.
Maybe we should have kept all our means to wage war here at home instead of shipping it to england and sending troops to defend your country in WW2
then maybe you would have said that in german and not english.
One my family members died defending your county, asshole.
Maybe you should try saying thanks to those "damm yanks" who died help keep your freedoms.
As for the current village idiot, not everyone over here voted for him and or supports his way of thinking.
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Is Canada still a colony?
No! As I said above, we pay no tribute to a foreign government. It just so happens that our Queen is also the Queen of Australia, Northern Ireland, New Zealand, The Isle of Mann, Scotland, Whales, Jersey, Guernsey, The Falklands, oh, and England too. Such is Her Highness and Majesty.
In order to appreciate why we want this to remain so you must realise the value of the gradual constitution that is our mutual heritage (yes even you runaway Yankees). The Magna Carta had nothing in it for the common man, but it is the wellspring from which our modern democracies rise. The rights contained in the American and Canadian constitutions are those which were developed within the British Monarchical system. The English common law remains the bedrock upon which both Canadian and American (and Australian, and New Zealand, and South African, and Indian, and,...) civil law are based. when the native North American people resort to the courts the usually refer to the Proclamation of 1763. Our Constitution consists of many documents prior to the Constitution Act of 1981. That was just the first one which was not an act of a foreign government. It was however signed by our beloved Monarch.
In a society where immigrants are changing our culture rapidly; where newcomers are hard put to find the base culture to adapt to, our allegiance to our past in a symbolic crown recognises what we agree with in our past, but also recognises what we have in common with a majority of our immigrants (Hong Kong, India, Pakistan).
When the thirteen colonies rebelled in the eighteenth century it was not an accident that the northern colonies did not join them. We chose to be loyal to the crown. We remain loyal to the crown.
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I guess then we supported the wrong side then in 1941-45.
Maybe we should have kept all our means to wage war here at home instead of shipping it to england and sending troops to defend your country in WW2
then maybe you would have said that in german and not english.
One my family members died defending your county, asshole.
Maybe you should try saying thanks to those "damm yanks" who died help keep your freedoms.
As for the current village idiot, not everyone over here voted for him and or supports his way of thinking.
Although the Fenians did shamelessly accept arms from the Germans during the first world war, many more Irishmen fought and died with the side of democracy in that conflict.
None of your countrymen fought to defend my country during World War Two, Canada was not attacked (see above discussion re sharing a monarch despite being independent countries).
Before you get too far off on your high horse lets remember that WWII started in 1939; the US entered the war because they were attacked, not because of any sense of right and wrong.
QuoteQuoteyou damm Yanks
Nyeah, nyeah
Terrorist supporting evil doer!
Andy9o8 2
Quotelets remember that WWII started in 1939;
An entirely Eurocentric definition of the start of WW2, one with which I doubt many Chinese or Koreans would agree.
As a member of the forces he is supposed to be apolytical. If he feels a desire to change what Canada means and stands for he should resign and get involved with politics. Military leaders in particular should not be making public statements about who we should or should not be pledging alleigance to. If he feels that strongly about it he should demonstrate some character and integrity by stepping down and seeking a life in politics.
Richards