Dickhead joins the forces but refuses to pledge alliegance

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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lets remember that WWII started in 1939;

An entirely Eurocentric definition of the start of WW2, one with which I doubt many Chinese or Koreans would agree.

While the Germans and Japanese were invading their neighbours before that, the conflict developed global dimensions during 1939. (See Wikapedia 'World War.')

[stratostar 5]

I was refering to england, that you seem to be so loyal to the crown of england.
Seeing how you refer to "damm yanks" a term offten used by the brits, sounds to me your a wanabee brit.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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As a member of the forces he is supposed to be apolytical. If he feels a desire to change what Canada means and stands for he should resign and get involved with politics. Military leaders in particular should not be making public statements about who we should or should not be pledging alleigance to. If he feels that strongly about it he should demonstrate some character and integrity by stepping down and seeking a life in politics.

See, but he hasn't refused to do anything. he still does it, cause as a soldier he is required to do so. he doesn't agree with it and is using the required system in place to try and change it (while continuing to perform his duties as required).

There is a system in place to hear his concerns. So far he is following it completely (while continuing to serve his duty) and really isn't getting anywhere.

I have this feeling his civil suit will not be decided in his favour and life will go on as normal.

I actually find it commendable that he continues to serve his country as required, yet tries to change something he doesn't feel is right through the proper channels.

[mr2mk1g 10]

Well, it's one that Canadians might well agree with given that they bothered to join in 39.

And as for the conflicts in Korea and China; they were regional wars till Japan became embroiled with the World War by attacking both the British and the US.

[Ian84 0]

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Transfer his Fenian ass to Afghanistan.
It is obvious that his first loyalty is to Ireland and not to Canada or Her Majesty.

Hi Andrew,

As a note, the article didn't mention anything about him being an Irish nationalist, only that he changed his name to the native Irish spelling.

I on the other hand am Irish and simultaneously a member of the UK armed forces. My take on toasting the Queen at mess dinners etc is this: if she is willing to allow a young fella from Ireland to come over here and get paid to fly around in her aeroplanes, then I am certainly willing to have a drink on her the odd time. It's something I often get asked after a toast.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I on the other hand am Irish and simultaneously a member of the UK armed forces. My take on toasting the Queen at mess dinners etc is this: if she is willing to allow a young fella from Ireland to come over here and get paid to fly around in her aeroplanes, then I am certainly willing to have a drink on her the odd time. It's something I often get asked after a toast.

Which is understandable, though in this case they aren't the Queen's aeroplanes.

[Ian84 0]

That's true. I think the guy is actually going about this in the best possible way. He may not agree with his oath, but he took it and seems to be carrying out his duty according to it anyway. I can respect that.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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That's true. I think the guy is actually going about this in the best possible way. He may not agree with his oath, but he took it and seems to be carrying out his duty according to it anyway. I can respect that.

I completely agree

[crwtom 0]

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Pledge allegiance to the Oak Leaf for all I care.

it's the Maple Leaf for the Canadians and Scott Joplin.

Oak is the leaf that was popular with the Nazi's

Cheers, T

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[akarunway 1]

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Pledge allegiance to the Oak Leaf for all I care.

it's the Maple Leaf for the Canadians and Scott Joplin.

Oak is the leaf that was popular with the Nazi's

Cheers, T

Damn. Would fit in quite well w/ the Bush administration

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Calvin19 0]

If this guy wants to serve his country, let him. if he does not want to pledge to a ***************** then dont make him. seriously, what the fuck does it mean to you if he is for the cause but not for the queen? quit throwing poop at eachother.

[dorbie 0]

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lets remember that WWII started in 1939;

An entirely Eurocentric definition of the start of WW2, one with which I doubt many Chinese or Koreans would agree.

Yup, everyone knows WWII started in December 1941, these provincial Europeans need to be sensitive to the international community when declaring a World War.

[Richards 0]

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If this guy wants to serve his country, let him. if he does not want to pledge to a ***************** then dont make him. seriously, what the fuck does it mean to you if he is for the cause but not for the queen? quit throwing poop at eachother.

Not throwing poop at him. As a matter of fact I can appreciate that many people would like to abolish our ties with the monarchy. At the time however our forces do honour the monarchy and he should not have joined if he had such strenuous objections. It is not the place of military leaders to argue who we should and should not serve. That is to be left to civilian leadership. As a serving member he serves who we happen to have as our leadership or even figureheads. If this is of such importance to him why does he not resign his commision and get into politics. Was he not aware when he moved to Canada that we still had the queen as a figurehead? Did he expect that upon moving to Canada we would change Canada to suit him? It is not his opinions I disagree with. It is his choice of trying to implement such opinions into policy while being an officer.

Richards

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. It is his choice of trying to implement such opinions into policy while being an officer.

Richards

ok, your post made sense. but of course, changes are not easily made by a person doing a normal job in the street. changes are made by bribeing, cheating, and personal benifit of 'great' leaders. this guy has something to say, and he is in a postion to do it. he knows he cant do anything as a regular joe.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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It is his choice of trying to implement such opinions into policy while being an officer.

As an officer is he allowed to try and change other policies? Should he just blindly follow in your eyes? I would liek tot hink our officers do just that, challenge policies they do not agree with through the official channels. If he is a good officer, he will continue to perform his duties, even if he loses in the end.