SkyDekker 1,465 #51 October 30, 2006 QuoteOpen depbate is not encouraged with one side labeling the other with devicive names You prefer things like: You are either with us or against us? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #52 October 30, 2006 QuoteOpen depbate is not encouraged with one side labeling the other with devicive names -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You prefer things like: You are either with us or against us? What is really funny is where these guys get THEIR devisive rhetoric from that Michael Thavage.. or Lush Rimjob... YOU BETTER NOT DISAGREE WITH THEM....or you are an EVIL DOER and can be disappeared.(In the not very distant future if they have their way) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #53 October 30, 2006 QuoteFor the last few years I've heard constant claims of "our civil rights are being taken away". It's accompanied with much wailing and moaning. Comparisons to 1930s Germany get tossed about, too. What seems lacking from this drama is anything more than a handful of US citizens being adversely impacted by all our civil rights being taken. Well, that's OK, then. Only a handful are deprived of, for example, Habeas Corpus so let's not worry. And the people we torture are scum anyway. Quote The protests vs. the actual impact seem to be a fine example of a mountain being made from a molehill. Meanwhile, 18 per cent of our GDP is being collected by the Federal Government every year. Unfortunately they spend even more than that. Expenditures under this administration have gone up 7.6% on average each year.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #54 October 30, 2006 QuoteQuote Looking back over the last 200 years, which administrations put themselves and their families in harms way? . Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jr., was a Naval Officer who served at in Operation Torch and later commanded a ship in the Pacific where he earned a Silver Star and Purple Heart. John Aspinwall Roosevelt, FDR's youngest son, served as a Naval Officer aboard the air craft carrier USS Hornet. FDR's son Elliot Roosevelt, a colonel in the U.S. Army Air Force flew a P-38 during the invasion of North Africa, and then flew photo-reconnaissance in support of the D-Day invasion at Normandy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #55 October 31, 2006 Quote Where the people who answered HIGH or unaware that GWB has destroyed Habeas Corpus. Maybe most of the Bush voters don’t know what that means. It means the president has absolute power. He can detain anyone including US citizens as long as he wishes without allowing representation. How can any American not have an issue with that? I said this just in another thread it is worth repeating. GWB has hurt America in a way that all terrorist wish the could have. He is changing what America is and stands for. QuoteGWB has hurt America in a way that all terrorist wish the could have. He is changing what America is and stands for. Actually they worked together w/o knowing it, conspiracy theorists would say they did know each other. Either way, they have been very symbiotic in eliminating many civil rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #56 October 31, 2006 QuoteLush Rimjob HAhahaahahahahahahahah..... that IS a good one. I'm still laughing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #57 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhich group (I'm asking for generalizations) has done more to erode those traditional American values? Neo Cons and those same patrician class like the Bushes who expect to get rich without doing the work of building a country for all the american people. Sending off american jobs so they can reap huge rewards in salaries in bonuses.. that has taken the american dream away from a large number of americans.... It stems from the self serving.. rather than serving America. Let's see... the Dems raise taxes on businesses... businessess, being driven by the bottom line, outsource jobs overseas... and this is somehow Bush's fault?.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,107 #58 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhich group (I'm asking for generalizations) has done more to erode those traditional American values? Neo Cons and those same patrician class like the Bushes who expect to get rich without doing the work of building a country for all the american people. Sending off american jobs so they can reap huge rewards in salaries in bonuses.. that has taken the american dream away from a large number of americans.... It stems from the self serving.. rather than serving America. Let's see... the Dems raise taxes on businesses... businessess, being driven by the bottom line, outsource jobs overseas... and this is somehow Bush's fault?. So why is outsourcing going on 6 years into a GOPfest? Try being logical. I suppose the 43% increase in the number of mortgage foreclosures last quarter is also Clinton's fault.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #59 October 31, 2006 QuoteSo why is outsourcing going on 6 years into a GOPfest? Try being logical. Since we're talking about logic, just perhaps because, after the jobs went overseas, it's *STILL* cheaper to leave them there than moving them back Stateside? QuoteI suppose the 43% increase in the number of mortgage foreclosures last quarter is also Clinton's fault. And this has what to do with outsourcing jobs, which was the point of my post? Care to throw in the latest casualty numbers now, or perhaps your favorite pic of Rumsfeld and Hussein shaking hands?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jenfly00 0 #60 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhich group (I'm asking for generalizations) has done more to erode those traditional American values? Neo Cons and those same patrician class like the Bushes who expect to get rich without doing the work of building a country for all the american people. Sending off american jobs so they can reap huge rewards in salaries in bonuses.. that has taken the american dream away from a large number of americans.... It stems from the self serving.. rather than serving America. Let's see... the Dems raise taxes on businesses... businessess, being driven by the bottom line, outsource jobs overseas... and this is somehow Bush's fault?. Clinton got what?!?!?! A blowjob?!?!?! Do you have a cite for that???----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #61 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhich group (I'm asking for generalizations) has done more to erode those traditional American values? Neo Cons and those same patrician class like the Bushes who expect to get rich without doing the work of building a country for all the american people. Sending off american jobs so they can reap huge rewards in salaries in bonuses.. that has taken the american dream away from a large number of americans.... It stems from the self serving.. rather than serving America. Let's see... the Dems raise taxes on businesses... businessess, being driven by the bottom line, outsource jobs overseas... and this is somehow Bush's fault?. So why is outsourcing going on 6 years into a GOPfest? Try being logical. I suppose the 43% increase in the number of mortgage foreclosures last quarter is also Clinton's fault. Maybe I should start a thread on what people consider traditional American values... to me they are things like hard work, self-sufficiency, patriotism, property rights, respect for the laws and the process, live and let live. Most of these concepts have been eroding for 40 or 50 years. What has happened in the last six years is really no different than any previous decade. IMO it's the growth of the "it's not my fault, the government owns me, I'm entitled to healthcare & housing, it's my right, and any aspect where I may be lacking is the fault of society and the government" mindset. But, hey, lets get bent about Bush wanting to mistreat terrorists. They have rights, too. And third quarter foreclosures were lower than first quarter foreclosures. Hmmm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,107 #62 October 31, 2006 The point you Busholytes are missing is that six years into a Bush presidency with GOP control of Congress, blaming the Dems for economic conditions, whether job outsourcing, the debt, the deficit, government spending spiraling out of control, Social Security and Medicare funding, mortgage foreclosures, or the Dow, just makes you look stupid.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #63 October 31, 2006 Quote The point you Busholytes are missing is that six years into a Bush presidency with GOP control of Congress, blaming the Dems for economic conditions, whether job outsourcing, the debt, the deficit, government spending spiraling out of control, Social Security and Medicare funding, mortgage foreclosures, or the Dow, just makes you look stupid. I can't speak for the "Busholytes" here, but as I see it, Bush and the Republicans in Congress have a lot to answer for. Going to Iraq was a seriously flawed decision. More than that, they had the opportunity to enact legislation favorable to mainstream conservatives. They pissed that one away. The assertion that the Democrats are somehow exempt from any blame regarding our governments problems is complete BULLSHIT. Own it. And the GOP has controlled Congrees for less than four years, NOT THE LAST SIX! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #64 October 31, 2006 QuoteAnd the GOP has controlled Congrees for less than four years, NOT THE LAST SIX! Then they should be excused for getting absolutely nothing done. I mean, four years is not that long. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #65 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnd the GOP has controlled Congrees for less than four years, NOT THE LAST SIX! Then they should be excused for getting absolutely nothing done. I mean, four years is not that long. Some, around here, seem inclined to ignore primary points... instead trying to make issue with minor clarifications. Nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #66 October 31, 2006 Quote The point you Busholytes are missing is that six years into a Bush presidency with GOP control of Congress, blaming the Dems for economic conditions, whether job outsourcing, the debt, the deficit, government spending spiraling out of control, Social Security and Medicare funding, mortgage foreclosures, or the Dow, just makes you look stupid. Seeing as how there are studies showing job losses to outsourcing over the last decade, coupled with documentarie bemoaning outsourcing in 1996/1997, makes you Clintolytes trying to blame everything from the K-T extinction to crop circles on Bush and the Republicans look even more stupid. So again, I will restate : A Democratic administration raises taxes. Businesses, looking for the preservation of profits, respond by moving operations overseas. Seeing as how this problem was already rearing it's head in the mid-90's, how is this Bush's fault????Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #67 October 31, 2006 QuoteSome, around here, seem inclined to ignore primary points... instead trying to make issue with minor clarifications. Nice. Like those who think we should be impressed that after only six years the Dow is finally slightly higher than it was in 2000?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #68 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteSome, around here, seem inclined to ignore primary points... instead trying to make issue with minor clarifications. Nice. Like those who think we should be impressed that after only six years the Dow is finally slightly higher than it was in 2000? Coming into the job at the start of the Clinton recession, with the added cost and turmoil of 9/11 and the Iraq war? And the fact that despite all that, the Dow is at record levels? Damn skippy.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #69 October 31, 2006 Quotewith the added cost and turmoil of 9/11 and the Iraq war I wonder which expense is higher. Costs directly related to 9/11 and the war on terror. Or costs associated with the ego driven, financial gains war in Iraq? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #70 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSome, around here, seem inclined to ignore primary points... instead trying to make issue with minor clarifications. Nice. Like those who think we should be impressed that after only six years the Dow is finally slightly higher than it was in 2000? Coming into the job at the start of the Clinton recession, with the added cost and turmoil of 9/11 and the Iraq war? And the fact that despite all that, the Dow is at record levels? Damn skippy. The DOW is at record levels for many resons, most of which hurt the average American. Many companies have taken money usually reserved for their workers and re-distributed it to the bottom line. Very few get health coverage anymore, whereas years ago health coverage was a given at a full-time job. Pensions are virtualy non-existant, and under Bush many companies have been allowed to rescind their pensions years after their workforce has retired. All of that money is going to the bottom line, hurting the working man, but helping exectutives and stock holders. In addition, the war is keeping the economy moving by pumping hundreds of billions into contractors, while also driving up tax revenue artificially. The working people could give a shit about the DOW. Maybe if I had $1 million in stock I would care, but I'd rather have health care and a pension to ensure future stability than gamble my money (the stock market is a SERIOUS gamble for the little guy) and hope for the best. Zippo -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #71 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSome, around here, seem inclined to ignore primary points... instead trying to make issue with minor clarifications. Nice. Like those who think we should be impressed that after only six years the Dow is finally slightly higher than it was in 2000? Coming into the job at the start of the Clinton recession, with the added cost and turmoil of 9/11 and the Iraq war? And the fact that despite all that, the Dow is at record levels? Damn skippy. Add Katrina to that list. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #72 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuotewith the added cost and turmoil of 9/11 and the Iraq war I wonder which expense is higher. Costs directly related to 9/11 and the war on terror. Or costs associated with the ego driven, financial gains war in Iraq? I keep hearing this "financial gains" "profits for family" crap... but still haven't seen any proof... like so many of the liberal talking points.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,107 #73 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSome, around here, seem inclined to ignore primary points... instead trying to make issue with minor clarifications. Nice. Like those who think we should be impressed that after only six years the Dow is finally slightly higher than it was in 2000? Coming into the job at the start of the Clinton recession, with the added cost and turmoil of 9/11 and the Iraq war? And the fact that despite all that, the Dow is at record levels? Damn skippy. Add Katrina to that list. Since Bush gives policy to God, he should take the blame for Katrina too. Bush failures: Iraq Deficit Government spending Iraq Social Security reform Medicare reform Iraq FEMA Trampling on the Bill of Rights Iraq Debt Iraq... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #74 October 31, 2006 QuoteThe DOW is at record levels for many resons, most of which hurt the average American. Many companies have taken money usually reserved for their workers and re-distributed it to the bottom line. Very few get health coverage anymore, whereas years ago health coverage was a given at a full-time job. Pensions are virtualy non-existant, and under Bush many companies have been allowed to rescind their pensions years after their workforce has retired. All of that money is going to the bottom line, hurting the working man, but helping exectutives and stock holders. WOW Talk about your alternate reality. I'd love to see some actual numbers, backing up your claims. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #75 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSome, around here, seem inclined to ignore primary points... instead trying to make issue with minor clarifications. Nice. Like those who think we should be impressed that after only six years the Dow is finally slightly higher than it was in 2000? Coming into the job at the start of the Clinton recession, with the added cost and turmoil of 9/11 and the Iraq war? And the fact that despite all that, the Dow is at record levels? Damn skippy. Add Katrina to that list. Since Bush gives policy to God, he should take the blame for Katrina too. 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Lucky... 0 #55 October 31, 2006 Quote Where the people who answered HIGH or unaware that GWB has destroyed Habeas Corpus. Maybe most of the Bush voters don’t know what that means. It means the president has absolute power. He can detain anyone including US citizens as long as he wishes without allowing representation. How can any American not have an issue with that? I said this just in another thread it is worth repeating. GWB has hurt America in a way that all terrorist wish the could have. He is changing what America is and stands for. QuoteGWB has hurt America in a way that all terrorist wish the could have. He is changing what America is and stands for. Actually they worked together w/o knowing it, conspiracy theorists would say they did know each other. Either way, they have been very symbiotic in eliminating many civil rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #56 October 31, 2006 QuoteLush Rimjob HAhahaahahahahahahahah..... that IS a good one. I'm still laughing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #57 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhich group (I'm asking for generalizations) has done more to erode those traditional American values? Neo Cons and those same patrician class like the Bushes who expect to get rich without doing the work of building a country for all the american people. Sending off american jobs so they can reap huge rewards in salaries in bonuses.. that has taken the american dream away from a large number of americans.... It stems from the self serving.. rather than serving America. Let's see... the Dems raise taxes on businesses... businessess, being driven by the bottom line, outsource jobs overseas... and this is somehow Bush's fault?.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #58 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhich group (I'm asking for generalizations) has done more to erode those traditional American values? Neo Cons and those same patrician class like the Bushes who expect to get rich without doing the work of building a country for all the american people. Sending off american jobs so they can reap huge rewards in salaries in bonuses.. that has taken the american dream away from a large number of americans.... It stems from the self serving.. rather than serving America. Let's see... the Dems raise taxes on businesses... businessess, being driven by the bottom line, outsource jobs overseas... and this is somehow Bush's fault?. So why is outsourcing going on 6 years into a GOPfest? Try being logical. I suppose the 43% increase in the number of mortgage foreclosures last quarter is also Clinton's fault.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #59 October 31, 2006 QuoteSo why is outsourcing going on 6 years into a GOPfest? Try being logical. Since we're talking about logic, just perhaps because, after the jobs went overseas, it's *STILL* cheaper to leave them there than moving them back Stateside? QuoteI suppose the 43% increase in the number of mortgage foreclosures last quarter is also Clinton's fault. And this has what to do with outsourcing jobs, which was the point of my post? Care to throw in the latest casualty numbers now, or perhaps your favorite pic of Rumsfeld and Hussein shaking hands?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #60 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhich group (I'm asking for generalizations) has done more to erode those traditional American values? Neo Cons and those same patrician class like the Bushes who expect to get rich without doing the work of building a country for all the american people. Sending off american jobs so they can reap huge rewards in salaries in bonuses.. that has taken the american dream away from a large number of americans.... It stems from the self serving.. rather than serving America. Let's see... the Dems raise taxes on businesses... businessess, being driven by the bottom line, outsource jobs overseas... and this is somehow Bush's fault?. Clinton got what?!?!?! A blowjob?!?!?! Do you have a cite for that???----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #61 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhich group (I'm asking for generalizations) has done more to erode those traditional American values? Neo Cons and those same patrician class like the Bushes who expect to get rich without doing the work of building a country for all the american people. Sending off american jobs so they can reap huge rewards in salaries in bonuses.. that has taken the american dream away from a large number of americans.... It stems from the self serving.. rather than serving America. Let's see... the Dems raise taxes on businesses... businessess, being driven by the bottom line, outsource jobs overseas... and this is somehow Bush's fault?. So why is outsourcing going on 6 years into a GOPfest? Try being logical. I suppose the 43% increase in the number of mortgage foreclosures last quarter is also Clinton's fault. Maybe I should start a thread on what people consider traditional American values... to me they are things like hard work, self-sufficiency, patriotism, property rights, respect for the laws and the process, live and let live. Most of these concepts have been eroding for 40 or 50 years. What has happened in the last six years is really no different than any previous decade. IMO it's the growth of the "it's not my fault, the government owns me, I'm entitled to healthcare & housing, it's my right, and any aspect where I may be lacking is the fault of society and the government" mindset. But, hey, lets get bent about Bush wanting to mistreat terrorists. They have rights, too. And third quarter foreclosures were lower than first quarter foreclosures. Hmmm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #62 October 31, 2006 The point you Busholytes are missing is that six years into a Bush presidency with GOP control of Congress, blaming the Dems for economic conditions, whether job outsourcing, the debt, the deficit, government spending spiraling out of control, Social Security and Medicare funding, mortgage foreclosures, or the Dow, just makes you look stupid.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #63 October 31, 2006 Quote The point you Busholytes are missing is that six years into a Bush presidency with GOP control of Congress, blaming the Dems for economic conditions, whether job outsourcing, the debt, the deficit, government spending spiraling out of control, Social Security and Medicare funding, mortgage foreclosures, or the Dow, just makes you look stupid. I can't speak for the "Busholytes" here, but as I see it, Bush and the Republicans in Congress have a lot to answer for. Going to Iraq was a seriously flawed decision. More than that, they had the opportunity to enact legislation favorable to mainstream conservatives. They pissed that one away. The assertion that the Democrats are somehow exempt from any blame regarding our governments problems is complete BULLSHIT. Own it. And the GOP has controlled Congrees for less than four years, NOT THE LAST SIX! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #64 October 31, 2006 QuoteAnd the GOP has controlled Congrees for less than four years, NOT THE LAST SIX! Then they should be excused for getting absolutely nothing done. I mean, four years is not that long. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #65 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnd the GOP has controlled Congrees for less than four years, NOT THE LAST SIX! Then they should be excused for getting absolutely nothing done. I mean, four years is not that long. Some, around here, seem inclined to ignore primary points... instead trying to make issue with minor clarifications. Nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #66 October 31, 2006 Quote The point you Busholytes are missing is that six years into a Bush presidency with GOP control of Congress, blaming the Dems for economic conditions, whether job outsourcing, the debt, the deficit, government spending spiraling out of control, Social Security and Medicare funding, mortgage foreclosures, or the Dow, just makes you look stupid. Seeing as how there are studies showing job losses to outsourcing over the last decade, coupled with documentarie bemoaning outsourcing in 1996/1997, makes you Clintolytes trying to blame everything from the K-T extinction to crop circles on Bush and the Republicans look even more stupid. So again, I will restate : A Democratic administration raises taxes. Businesses, looking for the preservation of profits, respond by moving operations overseas. Seeing as how this problem was already rearing it's head in the mid-90's, how is this Bush's fault????Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #67 October 31, 2006 QuoteSome, around here, seem inclined to ignore primary points... instead trying to make issue with minor clarifications. Nice. Like those who think we should be impressed that after only six years the Dow is finally slightly higher than it was in 2000?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #68 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteSome, around here, seem inclined to ignore primary points... instead trying to make issue with minor clarifications. Nice. Like those who think we should be impressed that after only six years the Dow is finally slightly higher than it was in 2000? Coming into the job at the start of the Clinton recession, with the added cost and turmoil of 9/11 and the Iraq war? And the fact that despite all that, the Dow is at record levels? Damn skippy.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #69 October 31, 2006 Quotewith the added cost and turmoil of 9/11 and the Iraq war I wonder which expense is higher. Costs directly related to 9/11 and the war on terror. Or costs associated with the ego driven, financial gains war in Iraq? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #70 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSome, around here, seem inclined to ignore primary points... instead trying to make issue with minor clarifications. Nice. Like those who think we should be impressed that after only six years the Dow is finally slightly higher than it was in 2000? Coming into the job at the start of the Clinton recession, with the added cost and turmoil of 9/11 and the Iraq war? And the fact that despite all that, the Dow is at record levels? Damn skippy. The DOW is at record levels for many resons, most of which hurt the average American. Many companies have taken money usually reserved for their workers and re-distributed it to the bottom line. Very few get health coverage anymore, whereas years ago health coverage was a given at a full-time job. Pensions are virtualy non-existant, and under Bush many companies have been allowed to rescind their pensions years after their workforce has retired. All of that money is going to the bottom line, hurting the working man, but helping exectutives and stock holders. In addition, the war is keeping the economy moving by pumping hundreds of billions into contractors, while also driving up tax revenue artificially. The working people could give a shit about the DOW. Maybe if I had $1 million in stock I would care, but I'd rather have health care and a pension to ensure future stability than gamble my money (the stock market is a SERIOUS gamble for the little guy) and hope for the best. Zippo -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #71 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSome, around here, seem inclined to ignore primary points... instead trying to make issue with minor clarifications. Nice. Like those who think we should be impressed that after only six years the Dow is finally slightly higher than it was in 2000? Coming into the job at the start of the Clinton recession, with the added cost and turmoil of 9/11 and the Iraq war? And the fact that despite all that, the Dow is at record levels? Damn skippy. Add Katrina to that list. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #72 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuotewith the added cost and turmoil of 9/11 and the Iraq war I wonder which expense is higher. Costs directly related to 9/11 and the war on terror. Or costs associated with the ego driven, financial gains war in Iraq? I keep hearing this "financial gains" "profits for family" crap... but still haven't seen any proof... like so many of the liberal talking points.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #73 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSome, around here, seem inclined to ignore primary points... instead trying to make issue with minor clarifications. Nice. Like those who think we should be impressed that after only six years the Dow is finally slightly higher than it was in 2000? Coming into the job at the start of the Clinton recession, with the added cost and turmoil of 9/11 and the Iraq war? And the fact that despite all that, the Dow is at record levels? Damn skippy. Add Katrina to that list. Since Bush gives policy to God, he should take the blame for Katrina too. Bush failures: Iraq Deficit Government spending Iraq Social Security reform Medicare reform Iraq FEMA Trampling on the Bill of Rights Iraq Debt Iraq... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #74 October 31, 2006 QuoteThe DOW is at record levels for many resons, most of which hurt the average American. Many companies have taken money usually reserved for their workers and re-distributed it to the bottom line. Very few get health coverage anymore, whereas years ago health coverage was a given at a full-time job. Pensions are virtualy non-existant, and under Bush many companies have been allowed to rescind their pensions years after their workforce has retired. All of that money is going to the bottom line, hurting the working man, but helping exectutives and stock holders. WOW Talk about your alternate reality. I'd love to see some actual numbers, backing up your claims. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #75 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSome, around here, seem inclined to ignore primary points... instead trying to make issue with minor clarifications. Nice. Like those who think we should be impressed that after only six years the Dow is finally slightly higher than it was in 2000? Coming into the job at the start of the Clinton recession, with the added cost and turmoil of 9/11 and the Iraq war? And the fact that despite all that, the Dow is at record levels? Damn skippy. Add Katrina to that list. Since Bush gives policy to God, he should take the blame for Katrina too. Bush failures: Iraq Deficit Government spending Iraq Social Security reform Medicare reform Iraq FEMA Trampling on the Bill of Rights Iraq Debt Iraq You forgot to add Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
